Re: [android-developers] Re: Honeycomb SDK

2011-02-19 Thread Marcin Orlowski
On 18 February 2011 21:41, Indicator Veritatis wrote: > But this leaves us all wondering: how is Motorola doing 3.0 for the > Xoom, if the SDK has not been 'refreshed'? No, it's not "us all". It's just you. We manage to understand that Motorola may get more frequent updates that we, plus as kind

Re: [android-developers] Re: Honeycomb SDK

2011-02-18 Thread Dianne Hackborn
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Indicator Veritatis wrote: > But this leaves us all wondering: how is Motorola doing 3.0 for the > Xoom, if the SDK has not been 'refreshed'? Do they get that much of an > advantage out of some kine of "early access program"? How could it be > in Google's interest

Re: [android-developers] Re: Honeycomb SDK

2011-02-18 Thread David Turner
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 2:39 PM, Gregg Reno wrote: > Related to this, I'm wondering if we will be in a situation where we > won't be able to test our honeycomb apps on real devices. For > example, I'm planning on picking up a xoom - hopefully in the next > couple of days. If we are still requir

[android-developers] Re: Honeycomb SDK

2011-02-18 Thread Indicator Veritatis
But this leaves us all wondering: how is Motorola doing 3.0 for the Xoom, if the SDK has not been 'refreshed'? Do they get that much of an advantage out of some kine of "early access program"? How could it be in Google's interest to deny this advantage to the rest of us? On Feb 18, 10:03 am, Diann

[android-developers] Re: Honeycomb SDK

2011-02-18 Thread Gregg Reno
OK, thanks Dianne. I really am looking forward to working with the new SDK and can't wait to get started. Especially to get past the one issue I'm having with a gallery fragment I created. Oh well, I guess I'll have to be patient! -Gregg On Feb 18, 1:03 pm, Dianne Hackborn wrote: > On Fri, Feb

Re: [android-developers] Re: Honeycomb SDK

2011-02-18 Thread Dianne Hackborn
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 5:47 AM, Gregg Reno wrote: > I know, but it's the timing I'm worried about. The Xoom could be > released long before the SDK is refreshed. > Generally the SDK for a new version of Android is available by the time it is shipping to users on a new device. I mean, yes, we

Re: [android-developers] Re: Honeycomb SDK

2011-02-18 Thread Mark Murphy
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Gregg Reno wrote: > I know, but it's the timing I'm worried about.  The Xoom could be > released long before the SDK is refreshed. Pray to the deity of your choice. Beyond that, there's little to be done. -- Mark Murphy (a Commons Guy) http://commonsware.com | h

[android-developers] Re: Honeycomb SDK

2011-02-18 Thread Gregg Reno
I know, but it's the timing I'm worried about. The Xoom could be released long before the SDK is refreshed. On Feb 18, 8:45 am, Streets Of Boston wrote: > Don't get hung up on the *preview* SDK. > The api-level value 'honeycomb' will not be the real value. It will be a > number, like 11 or 12.

[android-developers] Re: Honeycomb SDK

2011-02-18 Thread Streets Of Boston
Don't get hung up on the *preview* SDK. The api-level value 'honeycomb' will not be the real value. It will be a number, like 11 or 12. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers

[android-developers] Re: Honeycomb SDK

2011-02-18 Thread Gregg Reno
Related to this, I'm wondering if we will be in a situation where we won't be able to test our honeycomb apps on real devices. For example, I'm planning on picking up a xoom - hopefully in the next couple of days. If we are still required to use "Honeycomb" as the minSdkVersion. Will those apps

[android-developers] Re: Honeycomb SDK

2011-02-17 Thread Ed Burnette
Dianne said Android 3.0 would be level "11 in the final API" (http:// groups.google.com/group/android-developers/msg/dbe54b1e41663284) but I was reading too much into that. It seems clear now it might be 11, or 12, or some other integer in that ballpark. We'll see when it comes out. Dianne also sa

Re: [android-developers] Re: Honeycomb SDK

2011-02-12 Thread Dianne Hackborn
Sorry I thought I was being pretty clear. Do you consider Apple's 3.2 version of iOS to be a fork of their platform in the way you are describing? I mean, you can define fork in various ways, and you could justifiably say such a thing is a fork (though transient). But you seem to be concerned ab

[android-developers] Re: Honeycomb SDK

2011-02-12 Thread Streets Of Boston
Dianne said that Android 3.*0* will not be loaded onto any phone. Phones will just skip 3.0 and start with 3.1 (or anything after 3.0). This way you don't need two disjoint branches. There would only be trouble if the api-level of 2.3.3=10, the API level of Android 3.0=11 and a new in-between

[android-developers] Re: Honeycomb SDK

2011-02-12 Thread Indicator Veritatis
Unfortunately, Diane, you have not answered the question. Worse yet, you are contributing to the confusion. How so? Because you say on the one hand, "Honeycomb/3.0 is specifically for tablets", but you then appear to contradict yourself pretty abruptly by immediately adding, "Why would anyone want

Re: [android-developers] Re: Honeycomb SDK

2011-02-10 Thread Kevin Duffey
Good points. I think what I read indicated that the UI is that good that a custom UI would no longer be needed.. or probably more likely that hopefully a custom UI won't be built and that all android 3+ devices would share the same UI. I doubt that will be the case, as you said it's open and handse

Re: [android-developers] Re: Honeycomb SDK

2011-02-10 Thread Dianne Hackborn
Well 3.0 == HC, which is very different from "3.x", which is fairly broad in the possible versions it includes. Also any statements about HC removing the "need" for Sense UI etc is just more rumors -- there have been no such official statements, I don't even know what "remove the need" means. I h

Re: [android-developers] Re: Honeycomb SDK

2011-02-10 Thread Kevin Duffey
Ok.. my bad Dianne.. I thought I've read somewhere that 3.0 is only for tablets.. I probably read that wrong. So from what you have said, it sounds like that a 3.1 could be tailored for both phones and tablets. I was under the impression from most likely "rumor" posts that the new UI in 3 was only

Re: [android-developers] Re: Honeycomb SDK

2011-02-10 Thread Dianne Hackborn
Nobody said "Android 3.x line is only for tablets." Honeycomb/3.0 is specifically for tablets. Why would anyone want to fork the code base into two completely disjoint branches for tablets vs. phones? That would be somewhat insane. Did you notice all of the new stuff in HC to help applications

Re: [android-developers] Re: Honeycomb SDK

2011-02-10 Thread Kevin Duffey
Dianne, If the Android 3.x line is for tablets, and let's assume we don't know the actualy api level for 3.0 yet.. but we know 2.3.3 is now 10.. that would tell us that if 3.0 becomes 11, then 2.3.3 is end of line for 2.x unless there is going to be either some sort of change in api levels to supp

Re: [android-developers] Re: Honeycomb SDK

2011-02-10 Thread Dianne Hackborn
Well by definition there would be no API changes between API level 10 and 11. The whole point API levels is to provide a consistent, strict super-setting of platform progression. That is, you can say "is the platform API level >= X" and always know that if this is true it will contain at least al

Re: [android-developers] Re: Honeycomb SDK

2011-02-10 Thread Marcin Orlowski
On 10 February 2011 19:37, Ed Burnette wrote: > Ok, so if 2.3.3 is API level 10, and 3.0 is API level 11, where would Unless 3.0 is officially out it can be any api number. Who said 3.0 is going to be 11? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Deve

Re: [android-developers] Re: Honeycomb SDK

2011-02-10 Thread Shane Isbell
Even before the 2.3.3 SDK update, the Build.VERSION.SDK_INT on the 3.0 emulator said 10. So I assumed that SDK 10 was honeycomb preview and that the final release of honeycomb would be SDK 11. But after updating, the SDK now says 2.3.3 is SDK 10, emulator (3.0) also says 10. I don't think Google h

[android-developers] Re: Honeycomb SDK

2011-02-10 Thread Ed Burnette
Ok, so if 2.3.3 is API level 10, and 3.0 is API level 11, where would any future 2.x releases fit in? Will they be called API level 10, or 12, or will you start using fractional numbers somehow (currently the level has to be an int)? The answer affects how we should write apps that work across mult

Re: [android-developers] Re: Honeycomb SDK

2011-02-09 Thread Dianne Hackborn
When there is actual good hard info to provide, it is. Many of these rumors get started by companies saying things based on incomplete knowledge or understanding before any firm decisions have been made. Trust me, you probably don't want to try to follow the changing world that exists before real

Re: [android-developers] Re: Honeycomb SDK

2011-02-09 Thread Xavier Ducrohet
I'm not commenting on rumors, but Android 2.3.3 (API *10*) is out as an SDK. Xav On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Ed Burnette wrote: > Hard info to replace the rumors would be most welcome. :) > > According to Viewsonic, there will be a release in between 2.3 and 3.0 > (http://www.pocket-lint.com

[android-developers] Re: Honeycomb SDK

2011-02-09 Thread Ed Burnette
Hard info to replace the rumors would be most welcome. :) According to Viewsonic, there will be a release in between 2.3 and 3.0 (http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/38311/android-2-4-april-release- date). That means it must be under development somewhere now, which means some folks (the involved devs

[android-developers] Re: Honeycomb SDK

2011-02-08 Thread JAlexoid (Aleksandr Panzin)
Wouldn't the first order of business be Dalvik's GC multicore improvements backpoting to 2.x? I am still waiting for Honeycomb SDK final release and hope that they skip 2.4 on phones and jup directly to 3.1(or 3.0 for phones). Yet I am so much frustrated that Android's openness stops at ODM or carr

Re: [android-developers] Re: Honeycomb SDK

2011-02-07 Thread Dianne Hackborn
The Honeycomb framework APIs are introduced in 3.0. Any platform that has them would be 3.0 or later. (And more important, any platform that has them would have an API level that is at least that of Honeycomb.) Rumors, so much fun. :p On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 8:43 PM, Kevin Duffey wrote: > Ther

Re: [android-developers] Re: Honeycomb SDK

2011-02-07 Thread Kevin Duffey
There is a 2.4 in the works if the rumor mill is correct, from my understanding of potentially bad sources, 2.4 will be a sort of reduced honeycomb for phones, hopefully giving it the same UI but perhaps a few different things? I am really curious how this is going to play out. Naturally the apple

Re: [android-developers] Re: Honeycomb SDK

2011-02-07 Thread Mark Murphy
My initial reaction was that it was an homage to Spinal Tap. On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 7:47 PM, Ed Burnette wrote: > 11? Does that mean the next 2.x release will be API level 10 and that > there will only be one more 2.x release with API changes? Or am I > reading too much into it? I was wondering h

[android-developers] Re: Honeycomb SDK

2011-02-07 Thread Ed Burnette
11? Does that mean the next 2.x release will be API level 10 and that there will only be one more 2.x release with API changes? Or am I reading too much into it? I was wondering how that numbering hiccup was going to be handled. On Feb 7, 3:01 am, Dianne Hackborn wrote: > I don't know why it says

[android-developers] Re: Honeycomb SDK

2011-02-07 Thread blindfold
Ah yes, of course, for now (in my case) with the preview SDK and soon with the final SDK . Thank you, Dianne. On Feb 7, 7:06 pm, Dianne Hackborn wrote: > You are using this wrong.  Both attributes need to be in a single > tag. > > The rule is simple: if the targetSdkVersion is Honeycomb, then y

Re: [android-developers] Re: Honeycomb SDK

2011-02-07 Thread Dianne Hackborn
You are using this wrong. Both attributes need to be in a single tag. The rule is simple: if the targetSdkVersion is Honeycomb, then you get the new Honeycomb behavior. (Note this is the exact same way this has worked forever, as documented by android.os.Build.VERSION_CODES about the changes in

[android-developers] Re: Honeycomb SDK

2011-02-07 Thread blindfold
Yes I hope they will fix that for the final Honeycomb SDK, because currently I need to recompile for either giving me the conventional (Android 2.3-) phone appearance in the Honeycomb emulator, or for the holographic appearance in the Honeycomb emulator. What I want of cours

Re: [android-developers] Re: Honeycomb SDK

2011-02-07 Thread Dianne Hackborn
I don't know why it says that about minSdkVersion. The value of minSdkVersion doesn't matter; all that matters is that targetSdkVersion="Honeycomb". (Or 11 in the final API.) On Sun, Feb 6, 2011 at 11:54 PM, Marcin Orlowski wrote: > On 7 February 2011 00:57, midtoad wrote: > > You will then ge

Re: [android-developers] Re: Honeycomb SDK

2011-02-06 Thread Marcin Orlowski
On 7 February 2011 00:57, midtoad wrote: > You will then get the Honeycomb Holograph them and your app will have > an updated look and feel. http://developer.android.com/sdk/preview/index.html "Android 3.0 offers an updated set of UI widgets that are redesigned for use on larger screens such as

[android-developers] Re: Honeycomb SDK

2011-02-06 Thread midtoad
To anyone who wants to test his/her app on the Honeycomb SDK, in the app's manifest, edit your to specify Honeycomb as the target, like this: You will then get the Honeycomb Holograph them and your app will have an updated look and feel. S -- You received this message because you are sub

Re: [android-developers] Re: Honeycomb SDK - TabHost issue

2011-01-28 Thread Dianne Hackborn
Okay should be fixed. Thanks for the report! On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 3:28 PM, roundhill wrote: > Yes, that's the app! Let me know if I can help with anything. > > On Jan 28, 9:58 pm, Dianne Hackborn wrote: > > Hi, this is the WordPress app by Automatic, Inc? I think I can repro the > > probl

[android-developers] Re: Honeycomb SDK - TabHost issue

2011-01-28 Thread roundhill
Yes, that's the app! Let me know if I can help with anything. On Jan 28, 9:58 pm, Dianne Hackborn wrote: > Hi, this is the WordPress app by Automatic, Inc?  I think I can repro the > problem; we'll look at it. > > On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 3:38 AM, roundhill wrote: > > Tried our app (WordPress fo

[android-developers] Re: Honeycomb SDK

2011-01-27 Thread JAlexoid (Aleksandr Panzin)
It would be really great if some of the UI designers would blog/write article about the intended design philosophy of applications for Honeycomb. We should not be dependent on the beta SDK API , but at least most of us can start thinking on how the applications should interact with the users and wh

Re: [android-developers] Re: Honeycomb SDK

2011-01-27 Thread Xavier Ducrohet
It works the following way: - you can keep building your project against a previous version and install it on the Honeycomb emulator. - if you compile against the Honeycomb APIs then it can only be installed on the Honeycomb preview emulator (because to build you have to put "Honeycomb" in the min

Re: [android-developers] Re: Honeycomb SDK

2011-01-27 Thread Dianne Hackborn
You shouldn't be building production apps against an in-development version of the platform. If you build against one of the other production versions of the platform, that is fine. On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 12:53 AM, String wrote: > From the release notes: > > >- You *cannot* publish an appli

Re: [android-developers] Re: Honeycomb SDK

2011-01-27 Thread Marcin Orlowski
On 27 January 2011 09:53, String wrote: > I take this to mean that, if I install the preview SDK, I can't publish ANY You can't publish anything with targetSDK=9. When you set target to lower value other SDK is used so this limitation does not affect your app. -- You received this message be

Re: [android-developers] Re: Honeycomb SDK

2011-01-27 Thread String
>From the release notes: - You *cannot* publish an application that's built against the preview SDK—you can only run an application built against the Preview SDK on the Android emulator. I take this to mean that, if I install the preview SDK, I can't publish ANY apps from that instal

[android-developers] Re: Honeycomb SDK

2011-01-26 Thread ob1
It seems your question is answered. I've just downloaded the Honeycomb SDK. As with other emulator images, it seems to need restarting a few times before you get the "3G" network connectivity. On Jan 17, 5:40 pm, Spiral123 wrote: > Hi there... > > a quick request/plea to any Google employees tha

[android-developers] Re: Honeycomb SDK

2011-01-26 Thread Jake Basile
prayers: answered. http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2011/01/android-30-platform-preview-and-updated.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Developers" group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsu

Re: [android-developers] Re: Honeycomb SDK

2011-01-26 Thread Xavier Ducrohet
hmm the SDK was released this morning. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 6:00 PM, netlander wrote: > Good point spiral123, it would be in line with android openness to > make this sort of information available to developers as early as > possible, something that would greatly benefit the platform, no doubt

[android-developers] Re: Honeycomb SDK

2011-01-26 Thread netlander
Good point spiral123, it would be in line with android openness to make this sort of information available to developers as early as possible, something that would greatly benefit the platform, no doubt. However this wasn't the case (and still isn't) with Google TV. Let's hope that with the change

[android-developers] Re: Honeycomb SDK

2011-01-17 Thread Kumar Bibek
I guess, there might be more than just documentation that would be required, since the changes seem to be substantial. A beta SDK would be definitely better, but I don't think we will have that. So, keep waiting. On Jan 17, 10:40 pm, Spiral123 wrote: > Hi there... > > a quick request/plea to any