Re: [Angstrom-devel] Why is Angstroms documentation spread over wiki and the webpage?

2008-10-01 Thread Bob Igo
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I wanted to mention that I switched from 64-bit Ubuntu to 32-bit Ubuntu, and I got the same fatal build problem with bluez-gnome, but not the errors leading up to that. I tried Rolf's build process, and it looks like he isn't supporting Angstrom anymo

Re: [Angstrom-devel] Why is Angstroms documentation spread over wiki and the webpage?

2008-09-22 Thread Bernhard Guillon
Junqian Gordon Xu wrote: On 09/22/2008 12:14 PM, Philip Balister wrote: Koen Kooi wrote: Bob Igo wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Koen Kooi wrote: Ah, that error is one of that random libtool ones we fixed in .dev: 'bitbake -c clean libtool-cross ; bitbake -c clean fontco

Re: [Angstrom-devel] Why is Angstroms documentation spread over wiki and the webpage?

2008-09-22 Thread Bob Igo
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Koen Kooi wrote: > It's a general, but unpredictable problem. We don't know what triggers > it, just that it happens from time to time. I highly recommend putting the workaround in the build instructions, then. If the goal is that someone can follow

Re: [Angstrom-devel] Why is Angstroms documentation spread over wiki and the webpage?

2008-09-22 Thread Junqian Gordon Xu
On 09/22/2008 01:00 PM, Koen Kooi wrote: Junqian Gordon Xu wrote: On 09/22/2008 12:14 PM, Philip Balister wrote: Koen Kooi wrote: The fix would be hundreds of commits large, since it's tied it to the toolchain overhaul, sysroot changes and libtool 2.x changes. So that's sadly not feasible to d

Re: [Angstrom-devel] Why is Angstroms documentation spread over wiki and the webpage?

2008-09-22 Thread Koen Kooi
Bob Igo wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Koen Kooi wrote: The fix would be hundreds of commits large, since it's tied it to the toolchain overhaul, sysroot changes and libtool 2.x changes. So that's sadly not feasible to do. Is it going to happen to everyone, or just peopl

Re: [Angstrom-devel] Why is Angstroms documentation spread over wiki and the webpage?

2008-09-22 Thread Koen Kooi
Junqian Gordon Xu wrote: On 09/22/2008 12:14 PM, Philip Balister wrote: Koen Kooi wrote: Bob Igo wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Koen Kooi wrote: Ah, that error is one of that random libtool ones we fixed in .dev: 'bitbake -c clean libtool-cross ; bitbake -c clean fontco

Re: [Angstrom-devel] Why is Angstroms documentation spread over wiki and the webpage?

2008-09-22 Thread Junqian Gordon Xu
On 09/22/2008 12:14 PM, Philip Balister wrote: Koen Kooi wrote: Bob Igo wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Koen Kooi wrote: Ah, that error is one of that random libtool ones we fixed in .dev: 'bitbake -c clean libtool-cross ; bitbake -c clean fontconfig' Thanks for helping

Re: [Angstrom-devel] Why is Angstroms documentation spread over wiki and the webpage?

2008-09-22 Thread Bob Igo
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Koen Kooi wrote: >> The fix would be hundreds of commits large, since it's tied it to the >> toolchain overhaul, sysroot changes and libtool 2.x changes. So that's >> sadly not feasible to do. Is it going to happen to everyone, or just people who try

Re: [Angstrom-devel] Why is Angstroms documentation spread over wiki and the webpage?

2008-09-22 Thread Philip Balister
Koen Kooi wrote: Bob Igo wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Koen Kooi wrote: Ah, that error is one of that random libtool ones we fixed in .dev: 'bitbake -c clean libtool-cross ; bitbake -c clean fontconfig' Thanks for helping me work around that. How does this fix get pro

Re: [Angstrom-devel] Why is Angstroms documentation spread over wiki and the webpage?

2008-09-22 Thread Koen Kooi
Bob Igo wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Koen Kooi wrote: Ah, that error is one of that random libtool ones we fixed in .dev: 'bitbake -c clean libtool-cross ; bitbake -c clean fontconfig' Thanks for helping me work around that. How does this fix get propagated to the sta

Re: [Angstrom-devel] Why is Angstroms documentation spread over wiki and the webpage?

2008-09-22 Thread Bob Igo
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Koen Kooi wrote: >> Ah, that error is one of that random libtool ones we fixed in .dev: >> 'bitbake -c clean libtool-cross ; bitbake -c clean fontconfig' Thanks for helping me work around that. How does this fix get propagated to the stable branch so

Re: [Angstrom-devel] Why is Angstroms documentation spread over wiki and the webpage?

2008-09-22 Thread Koen Kooi
Bob Igo wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Koen Kooi wrote: What happens if you follow the current instructions in http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom ? Is it still broken? Finally finished building all I could. Building base-image and console-image for t

Re: [Angstrom-devel] Why is Angstroms documentation spread over wiki and the webpage?

2008-09-21 Thread Bob Igo
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Koen Kooi wrote: > What happens if you follow the current instructions in > http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom ? Is it still > broken? Finally finished building all I could. Building base-image and console-image for the hx4700 wor

Re: [Angstrom-devel] Why is Angstroms documentation spread over wiki and the webpage?

2008-09-21 Thread Bernhard Guillon
Bernhard Guillon schrieb: Now, please explain to me why building-angstrom is now duplicated in a wikipage and why the wiki page shouldn't get deleted. Well I got it wrong. I thought you tested the apt-get stuff and found it working fine. I started the wiki page one day before because you

Re: [Angstrom-devel] Why is Angstroms documentation spread over wiki and the webpage?

2008-09-21 Thread Bob Igo
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dmitry Artamonow wrote: > In fact it would be much nicer not to use "/OE" at all. > We can use something like "${HOME}/OE", so we won't need any > `su` or `chown` anymore. > > Personally I have my OE set up exactly this way. I think that'd be fine, t

Re: [Angstrom-devel] Why is Angstroms documentation spread over wiki and the webpage?

2008-09-21 Thread Dmitry Artamonow
On 15:50 Sun 21 Sep , Bob Igo wrote: > More tidbits: Ultimately, people should run bitbake as regular users, > but the guide starts out with "mkdir /OE" which will only work via sudo > or otherwise as root. At the risk of someone becoming root and staying > root for the whole setup, why not em

Re: [Angstrom-devel] Why is Angstroms documentation spread over wiki and the webpage?

2008-09-21 Thread Koen Kooi
Bob Igo wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Some other notes: The "source-me.txt" contents aren't indented properly. Syntactically, it's fine, but it might lead people to believe that "PATH=/OE/bitbake-1.8.10/bin:${ORG_PATH}" and below should actually be nested. It's also not

Re: [Angstrom-devel] Why is Angstroms documentation spread over wiki and the webpage?

2008-09-21 Thread Bob Igo
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 More tidbits: Ultimately, people should run bitbake as regular users, but the guide starts out with "mkdir /OE" which will only work via sudo or otherwise as root. At the risk of someone becoming root and staying root for the whole setup, why not emph

Re: [Angstrom-devel] Why is Angstroms documentation spread over wiki and the webpage?

2008-09-21 Thread Bob Igo
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Some other notes: The "source-me.txt" contents aren't indented properly. Syntactically, it's fine, but it might lead people to believe that "PATH=/OE/bitbake-1.8.10/bin:${ORG_PATH}" and below should actually be nested. It's also not possible to copy

Re: [Angstrom-devel] Why is Angstroms documentation spread over wiki and the webpage?

2008-09-21 Thread Bernhard Guillon
Thomas Kunze schrieb: Right. But imo it should be enough to have sth. like "set up oe as in [oe-getting-started] and set distro to angstrom". If sth. is wrong with the oe getting started page this should be fixed. No need to duplicate stuff here. The apt stuff is already in oe wiki and as long

Re: [Angstrom-devel] Why is Angstroms documentation spread over wiki and the webpage?

2008-09-21 Thread Bernhard Guillon
Koen Kooi schrieb: That won't work. Unsupported stuff has no place in documentation. If it doesn't work, it should be tracked down why it doesn't work and get fixed. I just set up another buildmachine following the instructions to the letter, and it worked. Ok, I started a temporary testing p

Re: [Angstrom-devel] Why is Angstroms documentation spread over wiki and the webpage?

2008-09-21 Thread Bob Igo
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Koen Kooi wrote: > Indeed there is. Fixed! Thanks for spotting it. It works on my machine > because that those have both a 1.8.8 and 1.8.10 dir No problem :) These are exactly the types of things I'd like to discover. - -- Bob Igo StormLogic ---

Re: [Angstrom-devel] Why is Angstroms documentation spread over wiki and the webpage?

2008-09-21 Thread Koen Kooi
Bob Igo wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Koen Kooi wrote: Bob Igo wrote: Koen Kooi wrote: I appreciate you telling me that, but shouldn't the official build instructions be corrected to show a consistent version? They already have been :) Nearly :) I see that you upd

Re: [Angstrom-devel] Why is Angstroms documentation spread over wiki and the webpage?

2008-09-21 Thread Bob Igo
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Koen Kooi wrote: > Bob Igo wrote: > Koen Kooi wrote: > I appreciate you telling me that, but shouldn't the official build > instructions be corrected to show a consistent version? > >> They already have been :) Nearly :) I see that you updated the

Re: [Angstrom-devel] Why is Angstroms documentation spread over wiki and the webpage?

2008-09-21 Thread Koen Kooi
Bob Igo wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Koen Kooi wrote: Either should be fine. I appreciate you telling me that, but shouldn't the official build instructions be corrected to show a consistent version? They already have been :) - -- Bob Igo StormLogic -BEGIN PGP

Re: [Angstrom-devel] Why is Angstroms documentation spread over wiki and the webpage?

2008-09-21 Thread Bob Igo
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Koen Kooi wrote: >> Either should be fine. I appreciate you telling me that, but shouldn't the official build instructions be corrected to show a consistent version? - -- Bob Igo StormLogic -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Lin

Re: [Angstrom-devel] Why is Angstroms documentation spread over wiki and the webpage?

2008-09-21 Thread Koen Kooi
Bob Igo wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Koen Kooi wrote: What happens if you follow the current instructions in http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom ? I'm still installing Ubuntu on my spare machine, but in the meantime I already noticed a problem with t

Re: [Angstrom-devel] Why is Angstroms documentation spread over wiki and the webpage?

2008-09-21 Thread Bob Igo
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Koen Kooi wrote: > What happens if you follow the current instructions in > http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/building-angstrom ? I'm still installing Ubuntu on my spare machine, but in the meantime I already noticed a problem with the instructions

Re: [Angstrom-devel] Why is Angstroms documentation spread over wiki and the webpage?

2008-09-21 Thread Bob Igo
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Koen Kooi wrote: > To avoid confusion: Angstrom will never support a deb/rpm/whatever based > setup method. There's an overhaul scheduled for the angstrom > distrofiles, which will alter the way how various options are selected. > So people using makef

Re: [Angstrom-devel] Why is Angstroms documentation spread over wiki and the webpage?

2008-09-21 Thread Koen Kooi
Bob Igo wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Koen Kooi wrote: I guess I was unclear when I said: Unsupported stuff has no place in documentation. That means: Unsupported stuff does NOT get mentioned in the documentation. A solution to this would be to support the DEB-based

Re: [Angstrom-devel] Why is Angstroms documentation spread over wiki and the webpage?

2008-09-21 Thread Bob Igo
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Koen Kooi wrote: > I guess I was unclear when I said: > > Unsupported stuff has no place in documentation. > > That means: > > Unsupported stuff does NOT get mentioned in the documentation. A solution to this would be to support the DEB-based build

Re: [Angstrom-devel] Why is Angstroms documentation spread over wiki and the webpage?

2008-09-21 Thread Thomas Kunze
Koen Kooi schrieb: Bernhard Guillon wrote: Koen Kooi schrieb: Bernhard Guillon wrote: Bob Igo schrieb: In my experience, the unofficial apt-gettable OE build instructions were 99% simpler, and 100% painless, when compared with the official build instructions: http://blog.leggewie.org/?p=39 It

Re: [Angstrom-devel] Why is Angstroms documentation spread over wiki and the webpage?

2008-09-21 Thread Koen Kooi
Bernhard Guillon wrote: Koen Kooi schrieb: Bernhard Guillon wrote: Bob Igo schrieb: In my experience, the unofficial apt-gettable OE build instructions were 99% simpler, and 100% painless, when compared with the official build instructions: http://blog.leggewie.org/?p=39 It's the only way I've

Re: [Angstrom-devel] Why is Angstroms documentation spread over wiki and the webpage?

2008-09-21 Thread Bernhard Guillon
Koen Kooi schrieb: Bernhard Guillon wrote: Bob Igo schrieb: In my experience, the unofficial apt-gettable OE build instructions were 99% simpler, and 100% painless, when compared with the official build instructions: http://blog.leggewie.org/?p=39 It's the only way I've been able to build Angs

Re: [Angstrom-devel] Why is Angstroms documentation spread over wiki and the webpage?

2008-09-21 Thread Koen Kooi
Bernhard Guillon wrote: Bob Igo schrieb: In my experience, the unofficial apt-gettable OE build instructions were 99% simpler, and 100% painless, when compared with the official build instructions: http://blog.leggewie.org/?p=39 It's the only way I've been able to build Angstrom. This is a nice

Re: [Angstrom-devel] Why is Angstroms documentation spread over wiki and the webpage?

2008-09-20 Thread Bob Igo
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Philip Balister wrote: > What about the non-apt universe? I have problem pointing people to > Rolf's apt-get stuff (except that it isn't immediately obvious from the > blog post what to do for Angstrom) for people that can use it. For the non-apt univ

Re: [Angstrom-devel] Why is Angstroms documentation spread over wiki and the webpage?

2008-09-20 Thread Philip Balister
Bob Igo wrote: Frankly, I think that Rolf's apt-gettable build process should be the official way, and the current generic build process should be a fallback in case the official process fails or won't run on a user's distro of choice. I mean, look at it - it's 5 shell commands, and then you're

Re: [Angstrom-devel] Why is Angstroms documentation spread over wiki and the webpage?

2008-09-20 Thread Bob Igo
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bernhard Guillon wrote: > This is a nice way to build Angstrom and I think it is worth to add it > to a build guide - but clearly marked as unsupported. When I went onto the Angstrom IRC channel to get help using the supported build method, I was told

Re: [Angstrom-devel] Why is Angstroms documentation spread over wiki and the webpage?

2008-09-20 Thread Bernhard Guillon
Bob Igo schrieb: In my experience, the unofficial apt-gettable OE build instructions were 99% simpler, and 100% painless, when compared with the official build instructions: http://blog.leggewie.org/?p=39 It's the only way I've been able to build Angstrom. This is a nice way to build Angstrom

Re: [Angstrom-devel] Why is Angstroms documentation spread over wiki and the webpage?

2008-09-20 Thread Bob Igo
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Koen Kooi wrote: > My fear is mostly for things like the building-angstrom page. The page > is there, because I couldn't stop 'crap' from appearing in the OE > GettingStarted wiki. In my experience, the unofficial apt-gettable OE build instructions we

Re: [Angstrom-devel] Why is Angstroms documentation spread over wiki and the webpage?

2008-09-20 Thread Bernhard Guillon
Koen Kooi schrieb: My fear is mostly for things like the building-angstrom page. The page is there, because I couldn't stop 'crap' from appearing in the OE GettingStarted wiki. And recently people started using the wiki as a mailinglist replacement, which also scares the crap out of me. You

Re: [Angstrom-devel] Why is Angstroms documentation spread over wiki and the webpage?

2008-09-20 Thread Koen Kooi
Paul Eggleton wrote: On Saturday 20 September 2008, Koen Kooi wrote: The split is quite easy: documentation that has been checked to be true is on the website, the wiki is only there for documentation to mature and get moved to the website. Documentation in the wiki is *temporary*. I'm not sur

Re: [Angstrom-devel] Why is Angstroms documentation spread over wiki and the webpage?

2008-09-20 Thread Paul Eggleton
On Saturday 20 September 2008, Koen Kooi wrote: > The split is quite easy: documentation that has been checked to be true > is on the website, the wiki is only there for documentation to mature > and get moved to the website. > Documentation in the wiki is *temporary*. I'm not sure I agree with th

Re: [Angstrom-devel] Why is Angstroms documentation spread over wiki and the webpage?

2008-09-20 Thread Koen Kooi
Bernhard Guillon wrote: Hi all, several documentation pages are spread over wiki and webpages. Building Angstrom is only one example for that. Is this for a reason or just historical and allowed to be changed? You can have documents which are only changeable for special users in moin moin if this

[Angstrom-devel] Why is Angstroms documentation spread over wiki and the webpage?

2008-09-20 Thread Bernhard Guillon
Hi all, several documentation pages are spread over wiki and webpages. Building Angstrom is only one example for that. Is this for a reason or just historical and allowed to be changed? You can have documents which are only changeable for special users in moin moin if this is the reason for th