Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Reminder: Mailing List Code of Conduct

2019-07-18 Thread ac
Hi, I apologise for my recent poor behavior and my use of profanity (specifically the word "bullshit") - I have grown much less tolerant of large tech and as society is losing this war anyway, it is causing me enormous amounts of stress. When innocent things happen that contribute negatively to

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [Misc] Research project on blacklists

2019-07-18 Thread Randy Bush
anushah, next study: distribution of operator reactions to a simple request of an academic study questionnaire :) uncloak: the work icsi does is a couple decade trail of operationally relevant awesomeness. so, though i loathe survey quetionnaires, i answered directly as appended. i

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [Misc] Research project on blacklists

2019-07-18 Thread Richard Clayton
In message , Anushah Hossain writes >>surprisingly, I haven't seen the request on any other lists that >are (a) >relevant and (b) open -- perhaps they and their project team are >not >especially well connected in this space :(  > >This is true. We were advised to share

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [Misc] Research project on blacklists

2019-07-18 Thread Richard Clayton
In message , ac writes >Mostly, what makes me very angry is the audacity this does seem a reasonable list to ask for assistance on ... but being around to answer questions promptly would be appropriately polite surprisingly, I haven't seen the request on any other lists that are (a) relevant

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [Misc] Research project on blacklists

2019-07-18 Thread ac
On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 09:02:01 +0200 Sebastian Wiesinger wrote: > * ac [2019-07-18 08:29]: > > It is about: "evaluating and improving the accuracy of blacklists." > > The entire post is arrogant, obnoxious, offensive and inaccurate > > and is an oxymoron. > > Tbh the only mails I get this vibe

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [Misc] Research project on blacklists

2019-07-18 Thread Sebastian Wiesinger
* ac [2019-07-18 08:29]: > It is about: "evaluating and improving the accuracy of blacklists." > > The entire post is arrogant, obnoxious, offensive and inaccurate and is > an oxymoron. Tbh the only mails I get this vibe from in this thread are yours. Could you tune it down a bit? There is no

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] Research project on blacklists

2019-07-18 Thread Karl-Josef Ziegler
The person seems to be real: https://erg.berkeley.edu/people/hossain-anushah/

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [Misc] Research project on blacklists

2019-07-18 Thread ac
On Thu, 18 Jul 2019 08:03:38 +0200 Serge Droz via anti-abuse-wg wrote: > Hi Andreas > I echo Barry's views on the research. > Some valid points, but it's a pity that you tend to void them by > mostly telling others that they are stupid. > I like your idea about studying why certain practices

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [Misc] Research project on blacklists

2019-07-18 Thread Fi Shing
The only organisation that is in a prime position to implement any meaningful blacklist is a RIR like RIPE itself. Anything less than RIR level blacklisting is what is known as "whac a mole" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whac-A-Mole But, as it comes down to time and money, the likes of which

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [Misc] Research project on blacklists

2019-07-18 Thread John Levine
In article you write: >-=-=-=-=-=- > >Hi everyone, > >I'm a researcher at UC Berkeley and the International Computer Science >Institute. My colleagues and I are working on evaluating and improving the >accuracy of blacklists. I looked at the survey and I don't understand what you mean by

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [Misc] Research project on blacklists

2019-07-18 Thread Serge Droz via anti-abuse-wg
Hi Andreas I echo Barry's views on the research. Some valid points, but it's a pity that you tend to void them by mostly telling others that they are stupid. I like your idea about studying why certain practices occur. So why not find a University that is interested in starting a project on