Re: [anti-abuse-wg] working in new version of 2019-04 (Validation of "abuse-mailbox")

2020-01-13 Thread Fi Shing
I agree, perhaps these internet companies would be happy if it took 15 days for each credit card payment to take place between that company and the customer when a new customer uses their services? - Original Message - Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] working in new version

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] working in new version of 2019-04 (Validation of "abuse-mailbox")

2020-01-13 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message , =?utf-8?B?w4FuZ2VsIEdvbnrDoWxleiBCZXJkYXNjbw==?= wrote: >Well, I do see the value of an option (a magic email value?) meaning "this >entity supports the use of its network for abusive purposes and will take no >action on any abuse report". > >That would save time for everyone

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] working in new version of 2019-04 (Validation of "abuse-mailbox")

2020-01-13 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message , Leo Vegoda wrote: >> I will love to have in the policy that they must be investigated and acted >upon, but what I heard from the inputs in previous versions is that having >that in policy is too much and no way to reach consensus > >I don't understand the value of requiring

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] working in new version of 2019-04 (Validation of "abuse-mailbox")

2020-01-13 Thread Ángel González Berdasco
Well, I do see the value of an option (a magic email value?) meaning "this entity supports the use of its network for abusive purposes and will take no action on any abuse report". That would save time for everyone involved, and would allow to easily block those networks from accesing ours!

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] working in new version of 2019-04 (Validation of "abuse-mailbox")

2020-01-13 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message <55d65bf8-a430-4bdc-ae58-63ff3dca4...@consulintel.es>, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: >Section 2.0 bullet point #2. What's wrong with web forms? > >If I need to use a web form, which is not standard, for every abuse report... OHHH! Your proposal did not make it at all

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] working in new version of 2019-04 (Validation of "abuse-mailbox")

2020-01-13 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via anti-abuse-wg
Hi Randy, As I just said, ideally we should ask for abuse-c reports to be procesed, but I know many folks don't like it. But at least, we need to make sure that if you have an abuse-c, it is a "real" and "working" one so you're able to actually send the reports there. If ignored, that's

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] working in new version of 2019-04 (Validation of "abuse-mailbox")

2020-01-13 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via anti-abuse-wg
Hi Ronald, El 13/1/20 22:34, "Ronald F. Guilmette" escribió: In message <6afc7d17-bac4-464c-8af8-2ad852d39...@consulintel.es>, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: >I'm happy to hear other inputs, stats, data, etc. Having only just read the proposal, my comments are few:

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] working in new version of 2019-04 (Validation of "abuse-mailbox")

2020-01-13 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via anti-abuse-wg
Hi Leo, El 13/1/20 18:16, "Leo Vegoda" escribió: Hi Jordi, all, On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 6:58 AM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via anti-abuse-wg wrote: Hi all, I'm working in a new version of the proposal 2019-04 (Validation of "abuse-mailbox"). In the last discussion phase, the only

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] working in new version of 2019-04 (Validation of "abuse-mailbox")

2020-01-13 Thread Ronald F. Guilmette
In message <6afc7d17-bac4-464c-8af8-2ad852d39...@consulintel.es>, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: >I'm happy to hear other inputs, stats, data, etc. Having only just read the proposal, my comments are few: I do not understand parst of this, specifically: Section 2.0 bullet point #2. What's

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] working in new version of 2019-04 (Validation of "abuse-mailbox")

2020-01-13 Thread Randy Bush
well, not exactly as i see it. abuse-c: is the op's way of saying "please send any abuse related information here." it is not a legal or social contract to act on it (and i suspect that next year the wannabe net police will want to enumerate exactly *how* they must act in 93 different

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] working in new version of 2019-04 (Validation of "abuse-mailbox")

2020-01-13 Thread Leo Vegoda
Hi Jordi, all, On Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 6:58 AM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via anti-abuse-wg < anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net> wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm working in a new version of the proposal 2019-04 (Validation of > "abuse-mailbox"). > > In the last discussion phase, the only detailed response to this