Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [policy-announce] Appeal against the Anti-Abuse WG Co-chairs decisions on proposal 2019-04 (Validation of “abuse-mailbox”)

2020-10-05 Thread Randy Bush
> Which then allows you to mistakenly claim there is or isn't consensus. > Which itself is prone to abuse. you may want to take a look at 7282 On Consensus and Humming in the IETF. P. Resnick. June 2014. but we have been here before -- Ettore Bugatti, maker of the finest cars of his day,

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [policy-announce] Appeal against the Anti-Abuse WG Co-chairs decisions on proposal 2019-04 (Validation of “abuse-mailbox”)

2020-10-05 Thread PP
Which then allows you to mistakenly claim there is or isn't consensus. Which itself is prone to abuse. On 6/10/2020 2:28 am, Brian Nisbet wrote: All, I'm on leave from work this week and not checking this email a/c as often as I normally would (or, hopefully, at all this week!), but I

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [policy-announce] Appeal against the Anti-Abuse WG Co-chairs decisions on proposal 2019-04 (Validation of “abuse-mailbox”)

2020-10-05 Thread Brian Nisbet
All, I'm on leave from work this week and not checking this email a/c as often as I normally would (or, hopefully, at all this week!), but I wanted to pop in to clarify something. We do not vote on proposals in the RIPE community. We discuss them and either consensus is reached or it is not.

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [policy-announce] Appeal against the Anti-Abuse WG Co-chairs decisions on proposal 2019-04 (Validation of “abuse-mailbox”)

2020-10-05 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via anti-abuse-wg
Hi Alex, The consensus is not measured in terms of “how much” support, but if the objections have been refuted. And, in case you missed that, the sentence “some clear support for the policy during the discussion phase” is quoted from the Co-chairs email, not my words:

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [policy-announce] Appeal against the Anti-Abuse WG Co-chairs decisions on proposal 2019-04 (Validation of “abuse-mailbox”)

2020-10-05 Thread PP
You don't know that it was "marginal" support, because no count was ever conducted. The Chair never asked for a "vote", and then when people didn't "vote" (because they had never been asked to), they concluded (wrongly) that there was no support for the proposal. On 5/10/2020 8:51 pm,

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] [policy-announce] Appeal against the Anti-Abuse WG Co-chairs decisions on proposal 2019-04 (Validation of “abuse-mailbox”)

2020-10-05 Thread Alex de Joode
Jordi, The proposal received a lot of push back. Your statement "some clear support for the policy during the discussion phase", is missing the word "marginal" between some and clear. I believe the Anti-Abuse WG Co-Chairs made the right call. Please consider retracting your appeal. ​--

[anti-abuse-wg] Appeal against the Anti-Abuse WG Co-chairs decisions on proposal 2019-04 (Validation of “abuse-mailbox”)

2020-10-05 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via anti-abuse-wg
Hi all, This appeal (attached in PDF) follows the process outlined by ripe-710 (RIPE PDP). Regards, Jordi @jordipalet ** IPv4 is over Are you ready for the new Internet ? http://www.theipv6company.com The IPv6 Company This electronic message