Re: [anti-abuse-wg] @EXT: RE: RIPE NCC Executive Board election

2020-04-19 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 10:19:27AM +0200, Serge Droz via anti-abuse-wg wrote: > Re RIPE: I guess so. > > But if RIPE is seen as representing the community, than it should be ok > for RIPE to enforce the community view. And there is the crux: you talk about "RIPE", but you imply "I want the

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] @EXT: RE: RIPE NCC Executive Board election

2020-04-19 Thread Serge Droz via anti-abuse-wg
Hi David Thanks for the feedback. - UN GGE: The 2015 group came up with a consensus report: https://www.un.org/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=A/70/174 The 2017 failed. Personally I think, because the rising tensions in the global political climate, but that's another discussion. And I feat the

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] @EXT: RE: RIPE NCC Executive Board election

2020-04-18 Thread David Conrad
Serge, On Apr 17, 2020, at 2:15 AM, Serge Droz via anti-abuse-wg wrote: > Even the UN (through the UN GGE and the OEWG, create norms for > responsible behavior in cyber space. > > There is nothing that stops us from doing the same in this corner of > internet policy. Perhaps not the best

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] @EXT: RE: RIPE NCC Executive Board election

2020-04-17 Thread Serge Droz via anti-abuse-wg
I second that In fact there is much more than just codified law. For example most of the international law ha never been codified, refereed to as customary law, but is still enforceable in court. What we re talking about here are so called Norms: Often non-binding, Norms describe expected

Re: [anti-abuse-wg] @EXT: RE: RIPE NCC Executive Board election

2020-04-17 Thread Rogério Raposo via anti-abuse-wg
All organizations can (and should) act on abusive behaviours to the extent possible, regardless of further work determining if that behaviour is also illegal or not. As Jordi said, policies exist for that purpose. To set boundaries of acceptable behavior and rules that define the posture of the

[anti-abuse-wg] @EXT: RE: RIPE NCC Executive Board election

2020-04-17 Thread Marcolla, Sara Veronica
Sure, respecting the legal framework is the basis of our legal systems, and abiding to rules and legal procedures is paramount. This said, private companies can themselves act in such a way to discourage criminals to take advantage of their resources, through having rules in place that disallow

[anti-abuse-wg] @EXT: RE: RIPE NCC Executive Board election

2020-04-17 Thread Marcolla, Sara Veronica
Dear all, I could not be more in agreement with you. We need to do something, and we need to do it as a community - perhaps this time of confinement can be used for us to shape the discussion and try to find concrete and actionable points where we can jointly work for an improvement of the