Hi Nick, all,
In many situations "rough consensus" was reached after many versions. Sometimes
is a matter of finding the right balance, "the point in the middle" I was
referring before. Even if it takes 10 versions instead of just 2.
The issue is for the chairs, not an easy task, in the way to
ung Galaxy.
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De : Carlos Friaças via anti-abuse-wg
Data: 09/05/20 13:41 (GMT+00:00)
Para: Suresh Ramasubramanian
Cc: Gert Doering , anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net
Assunto: [anti-abuse-wg] About "consensus" and "voting"...
> Suresh keeps attacking me without a single slightest proof, and hence
> I must respond.
a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing.
-- bill
://voices.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2008/10/spam_volumes_plummet_after_atr.html
From: Nick Hilliard
Date: Monday, 11 May 2020 at 8:15 PM
To: Suresh Ramasubramanian
Cc: anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net
Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] About "consensus" and "voting"...
Suresh Ramasubram
Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote on 11/05/2020 13:20:
I am not entirely sure the discussion has moved all that much in the
past decade beyond this exact point - how to pressure ripe to deal with
shady actors getting themselves LIR status or appropriating large legacy
netblocks belonging to defunct
To: Brian Nisbet
Cc: anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net
Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] About "consensus" and "voting"...
brian,
excuse my continuing to rant. if i write a long message, it can not be
good :) as with spam, you have a delete key.
i think we all dislike spam and other fo
brian,
excuse my continuing to rant. if i write a long message, it can not be
good :) as with spam, you have a delete key.
i think we all dislike spam and other forms of network abuse. but this
is the only working group whose goal is negative, to stop something.
even the wg's name is composed
From: anti-abuse-wg on behalf of Randy Bush
Sent: Saturday 9 May 2020 19:36
To: "Sérgio Rocha"
Cc: anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net
Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] About "consensus" and "voting"...
CAUTION[External]: This email originated from outside of the organisation.
session introduced agenda item to boot Richard Cox from his
co chair role was one such example.
--srs
From: Nick Hilliard
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 12:09:08 AM
To: Suresh Ramasubramanian
Cc: anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net
Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] About "cons
of Carlos
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Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 2:58:50 AM
To: Sander Steffann
Cc: anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net
Subject: Re: [anti-abuse-wg] About "consensus" and "voting"...
Hi everyone,
On Sat, 9 May 2020, Sander Steffann wrote:
> Hi Randy,
>
>&
Hi Carlos,
Carlos Friaças wrote on 09/05/2020 22:25:
On Sat, 9 May 2020, Nick Hilliard wrote:
Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote on 09/05/2020 15:23:
Having one might at least lay this discussion to rest once and for
all. I?ve seen variants of it for several years now.
But imagine if someone
Hi everyone,
On Sat, 9 May 2020, Sander Steffann wrote:
Hi Randy,
Otherwise we change the way the working Groups works it will remain
unchanged for ever. I agree that we must get a way to vote or another
democratic way to get decisions.
(...)
for a large segment of the community,
Hi,
On Sat, 9 May 2020, Nick Hilliard wrote:
Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote on 09/05/2020 15:23:
Having one might at least lay this discussion to rest once and for all.
I?ve seen variants of it for several years now.
But imagine if someone contacted a bunch of their colleagues and said:
Hi Randy,
>> Otherwise we change the way the working Groups works it will remain
>> unchanged for ever. I agree that we must get a way to vote or another
>> democratic way to get decisions.
>
> the goals of the ripe community are stewardship and cooperation, not
> voting, deciding, and "getting
Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote on 09/05/2020 15:23:
Having one might at least lay this discussion to rest once and for all.
I’ve seen variants of it for several years now.
But imagine if someone contacted a bunch of their colleagues and said:
"look, there's this policy proposal going on in
> Otherwise we change the way the working Groups works it will remain
> unchanged for ever. I agree that we must get a way to vote or another
> democratic way to get decisions.
the goals of the ripe community are stewardship and cooperation, not
voting, deciding, and "getting things done." you
image that the
community it's workingSREnviado a partir do meu smartphone Samsung Galaxy.
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De : Carlos Friaças via anti-abuse-wg
Data: 09/05/20 13:41 (GMT+00:00)
Para: Suresh Ramasubramanian Cc:
Gert Doering , anti-abuse-wg@ripe.net Assunto:
[anti-abuse-wg
I am aware of this and aware that calling for a vote on any such matter would
be a significant departure from procedure.
Having one might at least lay this discussion to rest once and for all. I’ve
seen variants of it for several years now.
From: Carlos Friaças
Date: Saturday, 9 May 2020 at
Hi Suresh, Gert, All,
"member organizations represented by" -- this only happens at the RIPE NCC
GM, twice a year.
The PDP doesn't happen at the RIPE NCC GM, afaik, whether we like it or
not.
When polarisation is obvious, "consensus" is impossible and everything
tend to remain as is...
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