Dan McGee wrote:
> On 5/10/07, Michael Towers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> It may be a bit late 'n' all that (I'm a slow thinker sometimes), but:
>>
>> (a) Is there any really good reason why these not very big packages
>> which have to be installed on an Archlinux system anyway or else pacman
>>
On 5/10/07, Michael Towers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It may be a bit late 'n' all that (I'm a slow thinker sometimes), but:
>
> (a) Is there any really good reason why these not very big packages
> which have to be installed on an Archlinux system anyway or else pacman
>won't work shouldn't
It may be a bit late 'n' all that (I'm a slow thinker sometimes), but:
(a) Is there any really good reason why these not very big packages
which have to be installed on an Archlinux system anyway or else pacman
won't work shouldn't be part of the pacman package? O.K. you can
update pacman wi
added the official bittorrent client as well as ctorrent to the wiki list.
honestly i think there are much better alternatives than those two. most
users i know use either ktorrent if theyre on kde, or azureus. ideally they
use rtorrent ;)
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On 5/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I would advise putting out a new ISO with pacman 3 as soon as
> possible. Installing Arch Linux is nontrivial for newbies such as
> myself, and the pacman issue will just create a new hurdle for them.
> I had to try 3 different times, and I
if you have any problem about upgrading to pacman 3 you have to read this:
http://www.archlinux.org/news/320/
new ISO due to a new package manager is unneccessary. It is quite simple to
upgrade
On 5/10/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I would advise putting out a new ISO with
I would advise putting out a new ISO with pacman 3 as soon as
possible. Installing Arch Linux is nontrivial for newbies such as
myself, and the pacman issue will just create a new hurdle for them.
I had to try 3 different times, and I was one of the people thrown off
when the main server was throt
2007/5/9, Johannes Held <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hi, I recently changed from kernel26beyond to kernel26.
>
> I read, that I have to put my ACPI-modules into rc.conf and that I can get all
> available modules with
> `ls /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/drivers/acpi`
> which gave:
> ac.ko bay.ko
Aaron Griffin wrote:
> On 5/9/07, James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On 5/10/07, Aaron Griffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> On 5/9/07, Georg Grabler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Heya.
>>> This is great, thanks a lot. I just want to comment so I can get some
>>> clarity here.
>>>
Beryl -
2007/5/10, Pierre Schmitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Am Donnerstag, 10. Mai 2007 00:53:59 schrieb Andreas Radke:
> > Am Wed, 9 May 2007 15:56:56 -0500
> >
> > schrieb "Aaron Griffin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > No, you're correct. However, this is just a start. It's building a
> > > habit. And to thr
> I need to clarify: we are _NOT_ talking about dropping packages. We
> are talking about moving them.
>
> There is no reason a developer cannot maintain community packages - it
> is, in fact, encouraged. (And it is 2 less steps to rebuild the DB
> too)
>
> What we are talking about is the fact
On 5/9/07, Alessio 'mOLOk' Bolognino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 00:55 Thu 10 May , Alessio 'mOLOk' Bolognino wrote:
> > On 13:48 Wed 09 May , Aaron Griffin wrote:
> > > On 5/9/07, Jaroslaw Swierczynski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > How about releasing one last pacman2 with those d
On 00:55 Thu 10 May , Alessio 'mOLOk' Bolognino wrote:
> On 13:48 Wed 09 May , Aaron Griffin wrote:
> > On 5/9/07, Jaroslaw Swierczynski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > How about releasing one last pacman2 with those dependencies added,
> > > then wait, say, two weeks before moving pacman3
On 5/9/07, James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 5/10/07, Aaron Griffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 5/9/07, Georg Grabler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Heya.
> >
> > This is great, thanks a lot. I just want to comment so I can get some
> > clarity here.
> >
> > > Beryl - merged with compi
Am Donnerstag, 10. Mai 2007 00:53:59 schrieb Andreas Radke:
> Am Wed, 9 May 2007 15:56:56 -0500
>
> schrieb "Aaron Griffin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > No, you're correct. However, this is just a start. It's building a
> > habit. And to throw a cliche at the mix "every bit helps".
>
> +1
>
> what w
On 5/10/07, Aaron Griffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 5/9/07, Georg Grabler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Heya.
>
> This is great, thanks a lot. I just want to comment so I can get some
> clarity here.
>
> > Beryl - merged with compiz
>
> > whole games section - might should be moved to a gam
Am Wed, 9 May 2007 18:20:11 -0300
schrieb "Rodrigo Coacci" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> That sounds a good idea. To help, maybe you could install archstats
> with base? And ask in installation the user to "please, please,
> please" :-P configure and use archstats? In time we could see how
> packages use
On 13:48 Wed 09 May , Aaron Griffin wrote:
> On 5/9/07, Jaroslaw Swierczynski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > How about releasing one last pacman2 with those dependencies added,
> > then wait, say, two weeks before moving pacman3 to current?
>
> The problem here is that the pacman2 upgrade woul
Am Wed, 9 May 2007 15:56:56 -0500
schrieb "Aaron Griffin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> No, you're correct. However, this is just a start. It's building a
> habit. And to throw a cliche at the mix "every bit helps".
+1
what would really help - expecially for the ports - is the whole i18n
stuff. i wo
2007/5/10, Greg Helton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Jan Welker wrote:
> > I'm new to Arch Linux. I just to watch TV through WAN with Zattoo. Today
> > I saw that they now have a version for Linux, too! The problem is that
> > they only offer packages for Suse, Fedora, Ubuntu ... (.rpm & deb). May
> > som
You might run into library issues, but you can use "rpmextract" from
[extra] to extract the rpm.
Jan Welker wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm new to Arch Linux. I just to watch TV through WAN with Zattoo. Today
> I saw that they now have a version for Linux, too! The problem is that
> they only offer packages
No, you're correct. However, this is just a start. It's building a
habit. And to throw a cliche at the mix "every bit helps".
Even if it will not be a large boon, it well help somewhat and we can
continue doing this every so often.
That sounds a good idea. To help, maybe you could install a
On 5/9/07, G B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> it doesnt seem to me that the packages posted are gonna take much burden off
> the devs backs especially since most are gonna move from current to extra..
> to do so stuff must be moved from extra to community (aka from devs hands to
> tu's) or even uns
it doesnt seem to me that the packages posted are gonna take much burden off
the devs backs especially since most are gonna move from current to extra..
to do so stuff must be moved from extra to community (aka from devs hands to
tu's) or even unsupported. not maintaining games might seem like a h
On 5/9/07, Ryan Ply <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 06:27:28PM +0200, Georg Grabler wrote:
> > I havn't had a look at [current] before.
> >
> > Let me tell you the interpretation for me.
> > For me, [current] should hold base packages. So packages needed to run
> > the system.
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 06:27:28PM +0200, Georg Grabler wrote:
> I havn't had a look at [current] before.
>
> Let me tell you the interpretation for me.
> For me, [current] should hold base packages. So packages needed to run
> the system. For me, it could be named "base" as well. Extra is
> every
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On 5/9/07, Roman Kyrylych <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Won't including libraries in package cause file conflicts next time we
> will release separate packages?
Not if pacman fixes this bug (or has it already? I couldn't find it in
FS). If a new package includes files that are going to be removed
(
2007/5/9, Pierre Schmitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Am Mittwoch, 9. Mai 2007 20:18:32 schrieb Aaron Griffin:
> > I want to figure out if there is some good way to do this, but
> > I do not think so.
>
> Why not just include those libs at the first pacman3 release or even
> statically link them. The nex
On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 13:49 -0500, Aaron Griffin wrote:
> On 5/9/07, Jaroslaw Swierczynski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Sorry, I didn't notice that you posted the same solution earlier
> > (apart from forgetting it still will be a problem). So not pacman,
> > then perhaps another package like fil
Am Mittwoch, 9. Mai 2007 20:18:32 schrieb Aaron Griffin:
> I want to figure out if there is some good way to do this, but
> I do not think so.
Why not just include those libs at the first pacman3 release or even
statically link them. The next release could have separate packages for the
libs.
B
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 01:49:40PM -0500, Aaron Griffin wrote:
> On 5/9/07, Jaroslaw Swierczynski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Sorry, I didn't notice that you posted the same solution earlier
> > (apart from forgetting it still will be a problem). So not pacman,
> > then perhaps another package l
2007/5/9, Aaron Griffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> That was one of my thoughts exactly. Tack them on a package that
> every is guaranteed to have... but it's a real hackish solution.
True but there is no ideal solution in this situation. Either the
upgrade path gets broken and users complain or there
On 5/9/07, Jaroslaw Swierczynski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sorry, I didn't notice that you posted the same solution earlier
> (apart from forgetting it still will be a problem). So not pacman,
> then perhaps another package like filesystem with those two
> dependencies?
That was one of my thoug
On 5/9/07, Jaroslaw Swierczynski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How about releasing one last pacman2 with those dependencies added,
> then wait, say, two weeks before moving pacman3 to current?
The problem here is that the pacman2 upgrade would have the exact same
issue. It would require bug fixes
Sorry, I didn't notice that you posted the same solution earlier
(apart from forgetting it still will be a problem). So not pacman,
then perhaps another package like filesystem with those two
dependencies?
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www.archlinux.org | www.juvepoland.com
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How about releasing one last pacman2 with those dependencies added,
then wait, say, two weeks before moving pacman3 to current?
--
Jaroslaw Swierczynski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
www.archlinux.org | www.juvepoland.com
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On 5/9/07, Dan McGee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> gkrellmlaunch
> gkrellshoot
> mknbi
> ez-ipupdate
> qtella
> mutella (although this might still be used by a lot of people)
> plib
> ...
> and anything else that has an update date before 2006. People with
> more knowledge than me should look though
On 5/9/07, Aaron Griffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ok all, I'm going to compile a list of packages that we're going to
> try to get rid of. The reason being that our man power for
> maintaining all these packages is pretty low.
How about some packages that we can completely drop? I don't know
On 5/9/07, Jason Chu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 05:17:10PM +0200, Georg Grabler wrote:
> > gtk-gnutella - i don't see the point using a specific gnutella client
> > if a lot of other programs handle multiple protocols fine.
>
> I use this one, but point me to another that
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 11:19:37AM -0700, Tobias Kieslich wrote:
> On Wed, 09 May 2007, Kasper Ługowski wrote:
>
> > Audacity from cvs uses wxwidgets, so the next stable release of
> > Audacity should eliminate this problem.
>
> FFS, wxwidgets is on of the biggest pain in the packages I maintain.
On 5/9/07, Aaron Griffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 5/9/07, Ben Tartsa < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Just a thought: How about a some sort of usage rating system? Unused
> > packages are demoted and eventually ( perhaps ) disappear.
> > >
> On 5/9/07, G B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > w
On Wed, 09 May 2007, Kasper Ługowski wrote:
> Audacity from cvs uses wxwidgets, so the next stable release of
> Audacity should eliminate this problem.
FFS, wxwidgets is on of the biggest pain in the packages I maintain. You
either have to keep 10 million versions around side by side, or patch 10
On 5/9/07, Jason Chu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 05:17:10PM +0200, Georg Grabler wrote:
> > KOffice - rarely used compared to OpenOffice
>
> Is it?
That was my initial reaction too. My personal usage is as follows:
1) abiword/gnumeric/dia/whatever
2) koffice
3) openoffice
Aaron Griffin wrote:
> On 5/9/07, Roman Kyrylych <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 2007/5/9, Eric Belanger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Minimize kernel patchsets supported by [extra]
Yeah, that's a big one too. The -beyond patchset has died, so that's
one down. We have ck, suspend2, and u
On Wed, May 09, 2007 at 05:17:10PM +0200, Georg Grabler wrote:
> Heya.
>
> Beryl - merged with compiz
Is the merging complete ie. an official release of compiz that has beryl's
stuff merged?
> whole games section - might should be moved to a games repo, maintained by TUs
> gtk-gnutella - i don't
Hi,
I'm new to Arch Linux. I just to watch TV through WAN with Zattoo. Today I
saw that they now have a version for Linux, too! The problem is that they
only offer packages for Suse, Fedora, Ubuntu ... (.rpm & deb). May someone
please explain me how to convert/rebuild/install these files on my Ar
> On 5/9/07, Ben Tartsa < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Just a thought: How about a some sort of usage rating system? Unused
> packages are demoted and eventually ( perhaps ) disappear.
> >
On 5/9/07, G B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> we already have one.. archstats
> http://www.archlinux.org/~simo/
On 5/9/07, Roman Kyrylych <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2007/5/9, Eric Belanger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >> Minimize kernel patchsets supported by [extra]
> > > Yeah, that's a big one too. The -beyond patchset has died, so that's
> > > one down. We have ck, suspend2, and u...
> >
> > Alternati
2007/5/9, Georg Grabler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I havn't had a look at [current] before.
>
> Let me tell you the interpretation for me.
> For me, [current] should hold base packages. So packages needed to run
> the system. For me, it could be named "base" as well. Extra is
> everything i don't need
2007/5/9, Jan de Groot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 17:17 +0200, Georg Grabler wrote:
> > Heya.
> >
> > Beryl - merged with compiz
> Didn't beryl fork from compiz and change lots of things? or are both
> actually the same nowadays?
> > xmms + addins - should not be that heavily use
On 5/9/07, RedShift <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The point why there are so many torrent clients to choose from is so
> that you would have the choice! Bad idea imho.
Well, i accept this, and the choice is great. But, must the packages
the users can choice be in extra/current, or could they be mai
On 5/9/07, Georg Grabler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ... quite a lot of helpful stuff ...
Based largely on what Georg has said, I threw this page together:
http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Package_Cleanup
Feel free to edit, or do the little informat "vote" column I added.
I will tack additio
2007/5/9, Eric Belanger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> Minimize kernel patchsets supported by [extra]
> > Yeah, that's a big one too. The -beyond patchset has died, so that's
> > one down. We have ck, suspend2, and u...
>
> Alternatively, you could keep the kernels but only provide drivers for the
we already have one.. archstats http://www.archlinux.org/~simo/archstats/
On 5/9/07, Ben Tartsa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Just a thought: How about a some sort of usage rating system? Unused
packages are demoted and eventually ( perhaps ) disappear.
__
Just a thought: How about a some sort of usage rating system? Unused
packages are demoted and eventually ( perhaps ) disappear.
On 5/9/07, Kasper Ługowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Dnia Wed, 9 May 2007 19:53:19 +0300
"G B" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> napisał(a):
> what about the repos? are they gonna
Dnia Wed, 9 May 2007 19:53:19 +0300
"G B" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> napisał(a):
> what about the repos? are they gonna stay as they are now? id prefer
> not having as many as now tbh.
> imho it would be better to have a new current which would reflect
> todays current+extra minus the cleaned packages an
what about the repos? are they gonna stay as they are now? id prefer not
having as many as now tbh.
imho it would be better to have a new current which would reflect todays
current+extra minus the cleaned packages and a new extra which would reflect
todays community+unstable (or maybe port unstabl
Georg Grabler wrote:
> Heya.
>
> Beryl - merged with compiz
> whole games section - might should be moved to a games repo, maintained by TUs
> gtk-gnutella - i don't see the point using a specific gnutella client
> if a lot of other programs handle multiple protocols fine.
> KOffice - rarely used
On Wed, 9 May 2007, Aaron Griffin wrote:
> On 5/9/07, Douglas Soares de Andrade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Aaron Griffin escreveu:
>>> Ok all, I'm going to compile a list of packages that we're going to
>>> try to get rid of. The reason being that our man power for
>>> maintaining all these pa
I havn't had a look at [current] before.
Let me tell you the interpretation for me.
For me, [current] should hold base packages. So packages needed to run
the system. For me, it could be named "base" as well. Extra is
everything i don't need to install to have a system up and running,
but what giv
On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 17:17 +0200, Georg Grabler wrote:
> Heya.
>
> Beryl - merged with compiz
Didn't beryl fork from compiz and change lots of things? or are both
actually the same nowadays?
> whole games section - might should be moved to a games repo, maintained by TUs
Keep gnome-games, gnome
Aaron Griffin wrote:
>> xmms + addins - should not be that heavily used anymore
> Isn't xmms dead anyway?
It's been forked off several times - first as bmp, and then as
audacious. Not sure what the activity/status is of the first 2.
Audacious seems to get pretty frequent updates, though.
DR
_
>> Minimize kernel patchsets supported by [extra]
> Yeah, that's a big one too. The -beyond patchset has died, so that's
> one down. We have ck, suspend2, and u...
Alternatively, you could keep the kernels but only provide drivers for the
vanilla one. I believe iphitus was working on a scr
2007/5/9, Aaron Griffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On 5/9/07, Georg Grabler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Heya.
>
> This is great, thanks a lot. I just want to comment so I can get some
> clarity here.
>
> > Beryl - merged with compiz
>
> > whole games section - might should be moved to a games repo,
On 5/9/07, Georg Grabler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Heya.
This is great, thanks a lot. I just want to comment so I can get some
clarity here.
> Beryl - merged with compiz
> whole games section - might should be moved to a games repo, maintained by TUs
I think a handful of us agree that we sh
2007/5/9, blokkie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I only have 2 things to say realy
>
> 1) If developers need help , could archlinux not make something like
> sourceforge help_wanted available ? ( ref: http://sourceforge.net/people/
> ). Where developers could then post/remove requests for help in curtain
>
2007/5/9, Georg Grabler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> remove web-based tools (as phpbb). I think they can also be downloaded
> / unzipped by every guy himself.
Yeah, that's the thing I'd like to be even written down in package policy.
--
Roman Kyrylych (Роман Кирилич)
_
On 5/9/07, Douglas Soares de Andrade <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Aaron Griffin escreveu:
> > Ok all, I'm going to compile a list of packages that we're going to
> > try to get rid of. The reason being that our man power for
> > maintaining all these packages is pretty low.
> >
> > So, what I'd li
Heya.
Beryl - merged with compiz
whole games section - might should be moved to a games repo, maintained by TUs
gtk-gnutella - i don't see the point using a specific gnutella client
if a lot of other programs handle multiple protocols fine.
KOffice - rarely used compared to OpenOffice
Minimize ker
Hi, I recently changed from kernel26beyond to kernel26.
I read, that I have to put my ACPI-modules into rc.conf and that I can get all
available modules with
`ls /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/drivers/acpi`
which gave:
ac.ko bay.kodock.koibm_acpi.ko thermal.ko
asus_acpi.ko
Vinay S Shastry wrote:
> On Wednesday 09 May 2007 6:39:41 am Essien Ita Essien wrote:
>> Strip ArchLinux down to a small tight Core that does one thing ONLY
>>
>>
>> I think we have *too* many packages in current and extra. I thin
Aaron Griffin escreveu:
> Ok all, I'm going to compile a list of packages that we're going to
> try to get rid of. The reason being that our man power for
> maintaining all these packages is pretty low.
>
> So, what I'd like to do to start this off is the following. From you
> guys, the end user
On 5/9/07, Andreas Radke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> congratulation. we have won!
>
> our gcc-gcj is broken due to a major feature addon the developer made
> right before he orphaned it. we (Hussam who does i686 rc packages and
> me) are no more able to build OpenOffice.org standing a few days bef
I only have 2 things to say realy
1) If developers need help , could archlinux not make something like
sourceforge help_wanted available ? ( ref: http://sourceforge.net/people/
). Where developers could then post/remove requests for help in curtain
areas .
2) I would like to help :) I'm an arch u
I agree with nut543 (sorry, I don't have every mail from this thread because
I'm not in the dev mailinglist). I have read the old thread about the wikified
AUR, I have some comments about it.
I only maintain some packages in AUR and no time to maintain it. Many users are
sending package fix or
bleugh replied to "Public mailing list for archlinux development" again..
so i post here!
On Wed, 09 May 2007 00:42:06 +0200, Andreas Radke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> congratulation. we have won!
>
> our gcc-gcj is broken due to a major feature addon the developer made
> right before he orpha
On Wed, 09 May 2007 00:42:06 +0200, Andreas Radke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> congratulation. we have won!
>
> our gcc-gcj is broken due to a major feature addon the developer made
> right before he orphaned it. we (Hussam who does i686 rc packages and
> me) are no more able to build OpenOffice.o
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