Re: [arch-general] Display Manager rc.d scripts

2011-05-09 Thread Grigorios Bouzakis
cantabile wrote: On 05/08/2011 08:19 PM, Grigorios Bouzakis wrote: Hello, can anyone think of a reason the rc.d scripts are added to kdm, gdm and slim? They are not recommended by anyone they are to be blame for occasional weird problems. The standard and IMO only way is to start them from

Re: [arch-general] makepkg openjd ca-certificates-java

2011-05-09 Thread Pierre Schmitz
On Sun, 8 May 2011 18:16:13 -0600, Javier Vasquez wrote: Hi, I've tried building openjdk, but it has a make dependency upon ca-certificates-java, and ca-certificates-jave also has a make dependency upon openjdk:

[arch-general] Cannot Find Desktop in GNOME3

2011-05-09 Thread Steve Holmes
After upgrading my box to GNOME 3 last week, I can't seem to find the desktop anywhere on my gnome setup. I use the keyboard exclusively for navigating around so I would normally use Ctrl+Alt+d to open the desktop for keyboard focus. Alas I cannot do that any more. Also, with prior versions of

Re: [arch-general] makepkg openjd ca-certificates-java

2011-05-09 Thread Javier Vasquez
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 3:32 AM, Pierre Schmitz pie...@archlinux.de wrote: On Sun, 8 May 2011 18:16:13 -0600, Javier Vasquez wrote: Hi, I've tried building openjdk, but it has a make dependency upon ca-certificates-java, and ca-certificates-jave also has a make dependency upon openjdk:

Re: [arch-general] Cannot Find Desktop in GNOME3

2011-05-09 Thread Kwpolska
On Mon, May 09, 2011 at 09:03:21AM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote: Has the desktop, as we know it, gone away? At the moment, I am using fallback mode because gnome-shell is completely broken as far as screen reader accessibility is concerned. GNOME 3 has no desktop at all. You can start nautilus

Re: [arch-general] Cannot Find Desktop in GNOME3

2011-05-09 Thread Ionut Biru
On 05/09/2011 07:03 PM, Steve Holmes wrote: After upgrading my box to GNOME 3 last week, I can't seem to find the desktop anywhere on my gnome setup. I use the keyboard exclusively for navigating around so I would normally use Ctrl+Alt+d to open the desktop for keyboard focus. Alas I cannot do

Re: [arch-general] Gnome 3, a bug?

2011-05-09 Thread Gunnar Meyer
Am 06.05.2011 15:22, schrieb Steve Holmes: Hey, I also just installed / upgraded to gnome3 and have run into some strange problems with keyboard navigation. First off, I cannot get into the desktop; also I can't find a reliable way to get into the system menu. Keep in mind here, I'm totally

Re: [arch-general] Cannot Find Desktop in GNOME3

2011-05-09 Thread Filip Filipov
[...] from what i see accessibility, is broken a lot in gnome 3 and i hope they will fix that in 3.2 A little bit off-topic, but how often is the 'Fun statistics' [1] changing . I ask because I think it is interesting what impact Gnome3 has. [1]

Re: [arch-general] Cannot Find Desktop in GNOME3

2011-05-09 Thread Mauro Santos
On 09-05-2011 18:45, Filip Filipov wrote: [...] from what i see accessibility, is broken a lot in gnome 3 and i hope they will fix that in 3.2 A little bit off-topic, but how often is the 'Fun statistics' [1] changing . I ask because I think it is interesting what impact Gnome3 has.

Re: [arch-general] Cannot Find Desktop in GNOME3

2011-05-09 Thread Yaro Kasear
On Monday, May 09, 2011 12:53:55 Mauro Santos wrote: On 09-05-2011 18:45, Filip Filipov wrote: [...] from what i see accessibility, is broken a lot in gnome 3 and i hope they will fix that in 3.2 A little bit off-topic, but how often is the 'Fun statistics' [1] changing . I ask

Re: [arch-general] Cannot Find Desktop in GNOME3

2011-05-09 Thread Gunnar Meyer
Am 09.05.2011 19:57, schrieb Yaro Kasear: On Monday, May 09, 2011 12:53:55 Mauro Santos wrote: On 09-05-2011 18:45, Filip Filipov wrote: [...] from what i see accessibility, is broken a lot in gnome 3 and i hope they will fix that in 3.2 A little bit off-topic, but how often is the 'Fun

Re: [arch-general] Display Manager rc.d scripts

2011-05-09 Thread Rémy Oudompheng
On 2011/5/8 Grigorios Bouzakis grb...@xsmail.com wrote: Hello, can anyone think of a reason the rc.d scripts are added to kdm, gdm and slim? They are not recommended by anyone they are to be blame for occasional weird problems. The standard and IMO only way is to start them from inittab.

Re: [arch-general] Display Manager rc.d scripts

2011-05-09 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Mon, 9 May 2011 20:41:31 +0200 schrieb Rémy Oudompheng remyoudomph...@gmail.com: I never used inittab to launch a display manager and always used rc-scripts, and I will never switch unless I go for systemd. I don't understand the point of removing these scripts, unless you want users to

Re: [arch-general] Cannot Find Desktop in GNOME3

2011-05-09 Thread Steve Holmes
Thanks for telling me about the desktop being gone. I really wondered and am a bit surprised as I thought most people valued and used a desktop area quite a bit. Yes, I opened up my home directory from the places and then opened the desktop folder from there. Actually, I think my desktop was

Re: [arch-general] Cannot Find Desktop in GNOME3

2011-05-09 Thread Yaro Kasear
On Monday, May 09, 2011 14:46:11 Steve Holmes wrote: Thanks for telling me about the desktop being gone. I really wondered and am a bit surprised as I thought most people valued and used a desktop area quite a bit. Yes, I opened up my home directory from the places and then opened the

Re: [arch-general] Cannot Find Desktop in GNOME3

2011-05-09 Thread Guillermo Leira
-Mensaje original- De: arch-general-boun...@archlinux.org [mailto:arch-general- boun...@archlinux.org] En nombre de Steve Holmes Enviado el: lunes, 09 de mayo de 2011 21:46 Para: General Discussion about Arch Linux Asunto: Re: [arch-general] Cannot Find Desktop in GNOME3 Thanks

Re: [arch-general] Cannot Find Desktop in GNOME3

2011-05-09 Thread Ionut Biru
On 05/09/2011 11:11 PM, Guillermo Leira wrote: -Mensaje original- De: arch-general-boun...@archlinux.org [mailto:arch-general- boun...@archlinux.org] En nombre de Steve Holmes Enviado el: lunes, 09 de mayo de 2011 21:46 Para: General Discussion about Arch Linux Asunto: Re:

Re: [arch-general] Cannot Find Desktop in GNOME3

2011-05-09 Thread C Anthony Risinger
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Ionut Biru ib...@archlinux.org wrote: On 05/09/2011 11:11 PM, Guillermo Leira wrote: You can install gnome-tweak-tool. When you launch it, the last option is File Manager. Then you can select Have file manager handle the desktop. Logout, login, and your icons

Re: [arch-general] Cannot Find Desktop in GNOME3

2011-05-09 Thread Jan Steffens
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 10:58 PM, C Anthony Risinger anth...@extof.me wrote: sooo, how can you have two directories open then?  i see that it works by clicking on the desktop directories twice; couldn't the icon be made to launch nautilus in the same way (however that is)? Ctrl+Click on the

Re: [arch-general] Display Manager rc.d scripts

2011-05-09 Thread David Rosenstrauch
On 05/08/2011 01:19 PM, Grigorios Bouzakis wrote: Hello, can anyone think of a reason the rc.d scripts are added to kdm, gdm and slim? They are not recommended by anyone they are to be blame for occasional weird problems. The standard and IMO only way is to start them from inittab. They dont

Re: [arch-general] Display Manager rc.d scripts

2011-05-09 Thread David Rosenstrauch
On 05/08/2011 02:15 PM, Heiko Baums wrote: With the rc scripts it's only possible to having started xorg at boot time if the script is in the DAEMONS array. So if xorg fails for a reason and doesn't allow you to switch to console you need a LiveCD to first remove it from the DAEMONS to be able

Re: [arch-general] Display Manager rc.d scripts

2011-05-09 Thread Thomas S Hatch
On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 3:55 PM, David Rosenstrauch dar...@darose.netwrote: On 05/08/2011 02:15 PM, Heiko Baums wrote: With the rc scripts it's only possible to having started xorg at boot time if the script is in the DAEMONS array. So if xorg fails for a reason and doesn't allow you to

Re: [arch-general] Display Manager rc.d scripts

2011-05-09 Thread Grigorios Bouzakis
Rémy Oudompheng wrote: On 2011/5/8 Grigorios Bouzakis grb...@xsmail.com wrote: Hello, can anyone think of a reason the rc.d scripts are added to kdm, gdm and slim? They are not recommended by anyone they are to be blame for occasional weird problems. The standard and IMO only way is to start

Re: [arch-general] Cannot Find Desktop in GNOME3

2011-05-09 Thread Steve Holmes
On 5/9/11, Jan Steffens jan.steff...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 10:58 PM, C Anthony Risinger anth...@extof.me wrote: sooo, how can you have two directories open then? i see that it works by clicking on the desktop directories twice; couldn't the icon be made to launch nautilus

Re: [arch-general] Display Manager rc.d scripts

2011-05-09 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Tue, 10 May 2011 01:32:19 +0300 schrieb Grigorios Bouzakis grb...@xsmail.com: If they are unsupported then yes, users who want to use them should be writing them themselves. Who says that they are unsupported? They are just not recommended as far as I know. And why shouldn't they be

Re: [arch-general] Display Manager rc.d scripts

2011-05-09 Thread Heiko Baums
Am Mon, 09 May 2011 17:55:06 -0400 schrieb David Rosenstrauch dar...@darose.net: Not true. You could fix this (rare) situation by booting into single user mode rather than a LiveCD. This was already explained by Tom and discussed before. ;-) Not sure I see why the rc scripts should be