On 13 August 2012 21:20, Genes MailLists wrote:
> On 08/06/2012 06:07 PM, Myra Nelson wrote:
>
>
> This may be resolved upstream[1]:
>
> gene
>
> === From lkml ==
> I'm re-releasing the iproute2 tools for 3.5.0 kernel.
>
> There were a couple of bugs (one serious) in
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 08:59:07AM +0200, Lukas Jirkovsky wrote:
> On 13 August 2012 21:36, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Mon, 2012-08-13 at 21:26 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> >
> > Some chips work better at e.g. 96KHz, it doesn't depend to the KHz,
> > simply to the chip.
> >
>
> I always thought t
On 08/14/2012 03:17 AM, Tom Rand wrote:
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 08:59:07AM +0200, Lukas Jirkovsky wrote:
On 13 August 2012 21:36, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Mon, 2012-08-13 at 21:26 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
Some chips work better at e.g. 96KHz, it doesn't depend to the KHz,
simply to the chip.
You are either trolling or don't understand that you are not one man group. We
have guidelines: He asked politely; be respectful back but also for others here.
On Aug 14, 2012, at 7:10 AM, Baho Utot wrote:
> On 08/14/2012 03:17 AM, Tom Rand wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 08:59:07AM +0200, Lu
On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 08:07 -0400, Alex Belanger wrote:
> You are either trolling or don't understand that you are not one man
> group. We have guidelines: He asked politely; be respectful back but
> also for others here.
Top posting isn't nice too ;).
However, some shared mails off-list, if a dis
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 08:58:41AM -0400, Baho Utot wrote:
> Yes looks like I will need to migrate to BSD
I've already begun using FreeBSD. Only real complaint I have is that my
notmuch database isn't backwards compatible with the one they have in ports.
Other than that, it's been a smooth tr
On Thu, 2012-08-09 at 13:13 -0600, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 08:58:41AM -0400, Baho Utot wrote:
> > Yes looks like I will need to migrate to BSD
>
> I've already begun using FreeBSD. Only real complaint I have is that
> my notmuch database isn't backwards com
On Monday 13 Aug 2012 12:34:26 Joakim Hernberg wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 15:50:16 +0530
>
> Alternatively we will all be running systemd one day whether we
> want to or not :( I suspect that this has been the game plan all the
> time though. OK, flames away I guess :)
Wow, this sounds so much
On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 13:45 +0100, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
> and easier for most users to maintain
USERS? I'm a stupid user. I guess you're talking about experts. For
"USERS" it's hard to follow changes every half year. We stupid users
simply want to use the computer. We are willing to learn, but
On 08/14/12 14:59, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 13:45 +0100, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
>> and easier for most users to maintain
>
> USERS? I'm a stupid user. I guess you're talking about experts. For
> "USERS" it's hard to follow changes every half year. We stupid users
> simply want
On 08/14/2012 08:45 AM, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
On Monday 13 Aug 2012 12:34:26 Joakim Hernberg wrote:
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 15:50:16 +0530
Alternatively we will all be running systemd one day whether we
want to or not :( I suspect that this has been the game plan all the
time though. OK, flames
On 08/09/2012 03:13 PM, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia wrote:
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 08:58:41AM -0400, Baho Utot wrote:
Yes looks like I will need to migrate to BSD
I've already begun using FreeBSD. Only real complaint I have is that my
notmuch database isn't backwards compatible with the on
On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 15:05 +0200, Jelle van der Waa wrote:
> So better learn it now :p
That might be true, since I don't think I have a choice, e.g. switching
to BSD seems no alternative for my needs.
I should install a second Arch with full Poettering code ... take some
drugs, e.g. Diazepam ...
On 08/14/2012 08:59 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 13:45 +0100, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
and easier for most users to maintain
USERS? I'm a stupid user. I guess you're talking about experts. For
"USERS" it's hard to follow changes every half year. We stupid users
simply want to us
On 08/14/2012 09:05 AM, Jelle van der Waa wrote:
On 08/14/12 14:59, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 13:45 +0100, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
and easier for most users to maintain
USERS? I'm a stupid user. I guess you're talking about experts. For
"USERS" it's hard to follow changes every
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 03:05:02PM +0200, Jelle van der Waa wrote:
> Tell me what's hard about systemd?
I think what he was saying wasn't that systemd is hard but switching is hard
irrespectively of what you're switching to.
That's my inference anyway.
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 09:12:30AM -0400, Baho Utot wrote:
> I have stopped using arch except for one server that does mail and DNS.
> It is presently being moved to "my own linux distro" based on LFS and
> using pacman for the package manager.
Oooh! Link?
On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 09:13 -0400, Baho Utot wrote:
> On 08/14/2012 08:59 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 13:45 +0100, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
> >> and easier for most users to maintain
> > USERS? I'm a stupid user. I guess you're talking about experts. For
> > "USERS" it's hard t
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 02:37:54PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> I suspect that BSD for artist that draw can be used, but for audio not.
> Am I mistaken?
I'm not sure I understand the question.
There's a lot of audio software in FreeBSD. Whether any of it suits your
purposes, I can not say.
htt
On Tuesday 14 Aug 2012 09:12:30 Baho Utot wrote:
> I think Arch was good back in the day.
>
> Now not so good.
This sounds a bit inflammatory and over-generalised. Presumably what you don't
like about Arch now is the fact that it will potentially change its default
init system sometime in the
On 08/14/2012 09:23 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 09:13 -0400, Baho Utot wrote:
On 08/14/2012 08:59 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 13:45 +0100, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
and easier for most users to maintain
USERS? I'm a stupid user. I guess you're talking about e
On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 15:23 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 09:13 -0400, Baho Utot wrote:
> > On 08/14/2012 08:59 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > > On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 13:45 +0100, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
> > >> and easier for most users to maintain
> > > USERS? I'm a stupid user.
On 08/09/12 22:00, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia wrote:
> I think what he was saying wasn't that systemd is hard but switching is hard
> irrespectively of what you're switching to.
Because the devs made systemd being able to use rc.conf?
It takes less then a day to use systemd, but I am not fo
Am Dienstag, den 14.08.2012, 14:59 +0200 schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
> On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 13:45 +0100, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
> > and easier for most users to maintain
>
> USERS? I'm a stupid user. I guess you're talking about experts. For
> "USERS" it's hard to follow changes every half year. We st
Am 14.08.2012 15:08, schrieb Baho Utot:
>> Wow, this sounds so much like a conspiracy theory. The fact is that the
>> people who write the code inevitably dictate which software is
>> maintained,
>> based on their interests and convictions, and they're pretty much
>> unanimous
>> that systemd is a
On 08/09/2012 04:02 PM, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia wrote:
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 09:12:30AM -0400, Baho Utot wrote:
I have stopped using arch except for one server that does mail and DNS.
It is presently being moved to "my own linux distro" based on LFS and
using pacman for the package mana
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 09:08:36AM -0400, Baho Utot wrote:
> What is so wrong with the booting using sysvinit?
As a critic of systemd, perhaps I can help.
Init scripts tend to wreck the determinism beacuse they can inherit
your env. pid files are a problem waiting to happen. There really
is no
On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 09:26 -0400, Baho Utot wrote:
> What no turbo pascal?
No. Some time later I switched to the Atari ST with a 80286 hardware
emulator and tested Turbo C++ on DR DOS.
Today I'm just a user, I don't wish to learn how to program nowadays
computers, I simply wish to use the comput
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 03:32:42PM +0200, Thomas B?chler wrote:
> And you don't want systemd because you are sure it won't do what
> sysvinit can, even though you didn't try it.
>
I think the complaint here is that the switch itself is a problem.
I think he made it rather clear that he's not cri
On Tuesday 14 Aug 2012 09:08:36 Baho Utot wrote:
> I don't understand your point
>
> What is so wrong with the booting using sysvinit?
>
> I really don't need what systemd offers and sysvinit does everything I
> need and has not failed me.
There's nothing inherently wrong with it, just like
On 08/14/2012 09:25 AM, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
On Tuesday 14 Aug 2012 09:12:30 Baho Utot wrote:
I think Arch was good back in the day.
Now not so good.
This sounds a bit inflammatory and over-generalised. Presumably what you don't
like about Arch now is the fact that it will potentially chan
On Thu, Aug 09, 2012 at 02:05:10PM -0600, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 02:37:54PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > I suspect that BSD for artist that draw can be used, but for audio not.
> > Am I mistaken?
>
> I'm not sure I understand the question.
>
> There's a
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 03:28:17PM +0200, Jelle van der Waa wrote:
> On 08/09/12 22:00, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia wrote:
> > I think what he was saying wasn't that systemd is hard but switching is
> > hard irrespectively of what you're switching to.
> Because the devs made systemd being abl
On Tuesday 14 Aug 2012 14:59:43 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 13:45 +0100, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
> > and easier for most users to maintain
>
> USERS? I'm a stupid user. I guess you're talking about experts. For
> "USERS" it's hard to follow changes every half year. We stupid users
On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 15:32 +0200, Thomas Bächler wrote:
> So, you are annoying the whole mailing list
You are speaking for the "WHOLE" mailing list? I read this from others a
thousand times before. YOU AREN'T SPEAKING AT LEAST FOR ME!
Call me a troll, I'm anyway member of this list and YOU DON'T
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 07:20:29PM +0530, gt wrote:
> Offtopic: Your system clock seems to be way off.
So it is! Thanks for the heads up.
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Baho Utot wrote:
> On 08/09/2012 03:13 PM, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 08:58:41AM -0400, Baho Utot wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes looks like I will need to migrate to BSD
>>
>> I've already begun using FreeBSD. Only real complaint I ha
On 08/14/2012 09:32 AM, Thomas Bächler wrote:
Am 14.08.2012 15:08, schrieb Baho Utot:
Wow, this sounds so much like a conspiracy theory. The fact is that the
people who write the code inevitably dictate which software is
maintained,
based on their interests and convictions, and they're pretty m
On 14 August 2012 09:52, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Baho Utot wrote:
>> On 08/09/2012 03:13 PM, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 08:58:41AM -0400, Baho Utot wrote:
Yes looks like I will need to migrate to BSD
>
On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 14:47 +0100, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
> On Tuesday 14 Aug 2012 09:08:36 Baho Utot wrote:
> > I don't understand your point
> >
> > What is so wrong with the booting using sysvinit?
> >
> > I really don't need what systemd offers and sysvinit does everything I
> > need and
On 08/14/12 15:51, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
> On Tuesday 14 Aug 2012 14:59:43 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>> On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 13:45 +0100, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
>>> and easier for most users to maintain
>>
>> USERS? I'm a stupid user. I guess you're talking about experts. For
>> "USERS" it's hard to
On 08/09/2012 04:23 PM, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia wrote:
[putolin]
As explained in this and other threads, it may not be a decision we,
in the Arch world, get to make. Too much of upstream may actually be
dictated by what a comercially-backed distro does.
That is why I just may end up
On 08/14/2012 09:58 AM, Calvin Morrison wrote:
[putolin]
When did offering an opposing opinion to what ever is popular become
tolling? what is this? /r/politics? I frankly have seen arguments both
ways for systemd and initscripts, and the fact that many users do not
want to switch is enough f
On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 14:51 +0100, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
> On Tuesday 14 Aug 2012 14:59:43 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 13:45 +0100, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
> > > and easier for most users to maintain
> >
> > USERS? I'm a stupid user. I guess you're talking about experts. For
>
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Baho Utot wrote:
> On 08/09/2012 04:23 PM, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia wrote:
>
> [putolin]
>
>
>> As explained in this and other threads, it may not be a decision we, in
>> the Arch world, get to make. Too much of upstream may actually be dictated
>> by what a
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Calvin Morrison
wrote:
> On 14 August 2012 09:52, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
> wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Baho Utot
>> wrote:
>>> On 08/09/2012 03:13 PM, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia wrote:
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 08:58:41AM -0400, Bah
On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 19:33:41 +0530, Jelle van der Waa
wrote:
SuSe has systemd plans too
in openSUSE's upcoming version, 12.2, systemd is default. for the moment
though both init systems are being maintained. this lead to very similar
discussions on the mailing lists over there, with exa
On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 09:55 -0400, Baho Utot wrote:
> BTW learn how to use filters in your email program.
I'm not using Thunderbird anymore as he does, but I remember it was easy
to do. However, I hope he won't ban anybody. His help is useful.
Regarding to this discussion I don't like his opinion.
On 08/14/12 16:06, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 14:51 +0100, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
>> On Tuesday 14 Aug 2012 14:59:43 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>>> On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 13:45 +0100, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
and easier for most users to maintain
>>>
>>> USERS? I'm a stupid user. I gu
On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 11:12 -0300, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Calvin Morrison
> wrote:
> > On 14 August 2012 09:52, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
> > wrote:
> >> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Baho Utot
> >> wrote:
> >>> On 08/09/2012 03:13 PM, Anthony ''Ish
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Jelle van der Waa wrote:
> On 08/09/12 22:00, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia wrote:
> > I think what he was saying wasn't that systemd is hard but switching is
> hard irrespectively of what you're switching to.
> Because the devs made systemd being able to use rc.
On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 16:23 +0200, Jelle van der Waa wrote:
> On 08/14/12 16:06, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 14:51 +0100, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
> >> On Tuesday 14 Aug 2012 14:59:43 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> >>> On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 13:45 +0100, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
> and ea
On 08/14/2012 10:32 AM, Brandon Watkins wrote:
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Jelle van der Waa wrote:
On 08/09/12 22:00, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia wrote:
I think what he was saying wasn't that systemd is hard but switching is
hard irrespectively of what you're switching to.
Because t
On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:23:28 +0200
Ralf Mardorf wrote:
ImightBeMistakenSinceIonlyTestedPascalWithTheC64AndDecidedToUseAssemblerInstead
OT, but if the above is true, was that Oxford Pascal, and did you then switch
to the MIKRO Assembler cartridge (as I did) ? Well to be accurate I switched
to it
On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 10:55 -0400, Baho Utot wrote:
> On 08/14/2012 10:32 AM, Brandon Watkins wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Jelle van der Waa wrote:
> >
> >> On 08/09/12 22:00, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia wrote:
> >>> I think what he was saying wasn't that systemd is hard but swit
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:55:02AM -0400, Baho Utot wrote:
> >after switching to it I prefer it because I just find it a lot easier to
> >deal with than sysvinit IMO. For example I find systemd's .service files so
> >much cleaner and easier to understand than initscripts, they are also
> >portable
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 10:55 -0400, Baho Utot wrote:
>> On 08/14/2012 10:32 AM, Brandon Watkins wrote:
>> > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Jelle van der Waa wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 08/09/12 22:00, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia wrote:
>> >>> I
On 14 August 2012 11:07, Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:55:02AM -0400, Baho Utot wrote:
>
>> >after switching to it I prefer it because I just find it a lot easier to
>> >deal with than sysvinit IMO. For example I find systemd's .service files so
>> >much cleaner and easier to
On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 16:03 +0100, Geoff wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 15:23:28 +0200
> Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
>
> ImightBeMistakenSinceIonlyTestedPascalWithTheC64AndDecidedToUseAssemblerInstead
>
> OT, but if the above is true, was that Oxford Pascal, and did you then switch
> to the MIKRO Assem
On 14 August 2012 16:05, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 10:55 -0400, Baho Utot wrote:
>>
>> Lennart Poettering by his own submission stated that he wanted udev as
>> part of systemd and that he doesn't care about any other init system
>> that would use udev. As with Lennart it seems
We should all be getting tired of this now. Please read the multiple
threads before posting things that have already been posted. Actually
don't as we will never hear from you again ;-)
Who said we are going to be forced to use systemd again. I believe the
systemd design spec also said he hopes to
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Baho Utot wrote:
> On 08/14/2012 10:32 AM, Brandon Watkins wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 9:28 AM, Jelle van der Waa
>> wrote:
>>
>> On 08/09/12 22:00, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia wrote:
>>>
I think what he was saying wasn't that systemd is hard but
On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 16:27 +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> Please CC me in any future audio discussions.
Flagged!
Regards,
ralf
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 05:05:14PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Mailman archives! IIRC Heiko mentioned that there are more disputes
> about Lennart Poettering and his software on ALL mailing lists, than
> about anything else.
>
> Why is it like that?
Probably because he has all the arrogance of D
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Jelle van der Waa wrote:
On 08/14/12 15:51, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
> On Tuesday 14 Aug 2012 14:59:43 Ralf Mardorf wro
On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 09:03:20 -0500
Sander Jansen wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Leonid Isaev wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > While building an Arch-based wireless router I ran into a problem
> > of persistent NIC naming. To differentiate which interfaces go to WAN and
> > LAN, I have
On 08/05/2012 11:03 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:
> All,
>
> There have been a few noteworthy developments with the Trinity project for
> Arch. There will be essentially 2 versions available. The primary focus of the
> project is currently on TDE 14.0.0 (R14) which is TQt3 based and due to
> execut
On 14 August 2012 10:57, Stéphane Gaudreault wrote:
> Systemd has a overall better design than SysV, lots of useful administrative
> features and provide quicker boot up. Considering that it has been around in
> our repositories for some time and that it could be considered stable enough
> for pro
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:30:50AM -0400, Brandon Watkins wrote:
> Also, I will state once again that I think people are
> highly exaggerating the "difficulty" of transitioning an arch install to
> systemd, its quite simple.
It sounds like you're trying to turn peoples' subjective preferences
int
On 08/14/12 17:55, Calvin Morrison wrote:
> On 14 August 2012 10:57, Stéphane Gaudreault wrote:
>> Systemd has a overall better design than SysV, lots of useful administrative
>> features and provide quicker boot up. Considering that it has been around in
>> our repositories for some time and that
Are you talking about the willingness of the Linux community in general to go
through tough technical transitions for the sake of progress? If so, I'd say
that's one of the big things that makes Linux so successful, and Windows so
slow to improve. There are always the distros with LTS releases
On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 09:46 -0600, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 05:05:14PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > Mailman archives! IIRC Heiko mentioned that there are more disputes
> > about Lennart Poettering and his software on ALL mailing lists, than
> > about anythin
On 14 August 2012 11:58, Jelle van der Waa wrote:
> On 08/14/12 17:55, Calvin Morrison wrote:
>> On 14 August 2012 10:57, Stéphane Gaudreault wrote:
>>> Systemd has a overall better design than SysV, lots of useful administrative
>>> features and provide quicker boot up. Considering that it has b
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Paul Dann wrote:
>
> Are you talking about the willingness of the Linux community in general to
> go through tough technical transitions for the sake of progress? If so, I'd
> say that's one of the big things that makes Linux so successful, and
> Windows so slow
That sounds like a perfectly fair attitude to have. Although the change may
require a little thought, I really think SystemD will not suddenly make Arch
difficult to use, though. Is that what you're worried about?
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Ralf Mardorf wrote:
On Tue,
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 06:00:25PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> I had to google, I never heard about Daniel J. Bernstein before. I
> suspect DJB is for Daniel J. Bernstein?
Yes.
> If so, he seemingly isn't as half as arrogant as LP.
Spend a week lurking a crypto mailing list and you may
change y
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 09:46 -0600, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 05:05:14PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > > Mailman archives! IIRC Heiko mentioned that there are more disputes
> > > about Lennart Poetterin
On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 16:59 +0100, Paul Dann wrote:
> Are you talking about the willingness of the Linux community in
> general to go through tough technical transitions for the sake of
> progress? If so, I'd say that's one of the big things that makes Linux
> so successful, and Windows so slow to
Sometimes the most loving thing to do is let someone go through a short, sharp
pain in order to avoid a long, drawn out one. Systemd is not evil. You may not
like the idea of changing, but it probably will be the best thing for you to do
to avoid more pain down the line. No rush, but I reckon t
On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 17:04 +0100, Paul Dann wrote:
> Is that what you're worried about?
Yes ;D. I switched to Arch to get rid of fear. No I'm very scary.
- Ralf
On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 18:14 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 17:04 +0100, Paul Dann wrote:
> > Is that what you're worried about?
>
> Yes ;D. I switched to Arch to get rid of fear. No I'm very scary.
>^^^ Now
> - Ralf
If there's a developer anywhere that agrees with you, and I expect there will
be at some point, udev will be forked, or something else will be developed to
rival systemd. Right now, that's not even necessary.
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Baho Utot wrote:
On 08/14/2012 10
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 05:13:45PM +0100, Paul Dann wrote:
> Sometimes the most loving thing to do is let someone go through a short,
> sharp pain in order to avoid a long, drawn out one. Systemd is not evil. You
> may not like the idea of changing, but it probably will be the best thing for
> y
On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 11:55:28 -0400
Calvin Morrison wrote:
> On 14 August 2012 10:57, Stéphane Gaudreault wrote:
> > Systemd has a overall better design than SysV, lots of useful
> > administrative features and provide quicker boot up. Considering that it
> > has been around in our repositories f
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Calvin Morrison wrote:
> On 14 August 2012 10:57, Stéphane Gaudreault
> wrote:
> > Systemd has a overall better design than SysV, lots of useful
> administrative
> > features and provide quicker boot up. Considering that it has been
> around in
> > our repositori
> I remember seeing the comparisons against SysV but not at all against
> upstart or OpenRC
>
Comparison of systemd features vs upstart and sysv: note this is from
lennart's site...
http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/why.html
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Anthony ''Ishpeck'' Tedjamulia
wrote:
> I know that nobody in arch has declared the switch is inevitable
> but the way it looks, with upstream being eager enough to do so,
> it seems incredibly likely unless we train everyone to use DJB's
> daemontools instead. :P
On Tue, 2012-08-14 at 17:13 +0100, Paul Dann wrote:
> Sometimes the most loving thing to do is let someone go through a
> short, sharp pain in order to avoid a long, drawn out one. Systemd is
> not evil. You may not like the idea of changing, but it probably will
> be the best thing for you to do t
On 14 August 2012 12:20, Brandon Watkins wrote:
>> I remember seeing the comparisons against SysV but not at all against
>> upstart or OpenRC
>>
> Comparison of systemd features vs upstart and sysv: note this is from
> lennart's site...
> http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/why.html
This table look
On 08/14/2012 12:55 PM, Calvin Morrison wrote:
> On 14 August 2012 10:57, Stéphane Gaudreault wrote:
>> Systemd has a overall better design than SysV, lots of useful administrative
>> features and provide quicker boot up. Considering that it has been around in
>> our repositories for some time and
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Calvin Morrison wrote:
> On 14 August 2012 12:20, Brandon Watkins wrote:
> >> I remember seeing the comparisons against SysV but not at all against
> >> upstart or OpenRC
> >>
> > Comparison of systemd features vs upstart and sysv: note this is from
> > lennart'
Am 14.08.2012 18:19, schrieb Brandon Watkins:
> Systemd isn't going anywhere anytime soon, its going to be adopted by RHEL
> (which means it would also be adopted by RHEL derivatives like CentOS), and
> its being adopted by major distros like fedora, opensuse, mageia etc...
What are those "major d
On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:24:49 -0300
Denis A. Altoé Falqueto wrote:
> You should check arch-dev-public :)
>
> It's a funny thread
>
> https://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-dev-public/2012-August/023389.html
Mostly I just read arch-general and try to understand arguments. I do,
however, f
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Geoff wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:24:49 -0300
> Denis A. Altoé Falqueto wrote:
>
> > You should check arch-dev-public :)
> >
> > It's a funny thread
> >
> >
> https://mailman.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-dev-public/2012-August/023389.html
>
> Mostly I just re
On 14 August 2012 12:52, David C. Rankin wrote:
> On 08/05/2012 11:03 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:
> > All,
> >
> > There have been a few noteworthy developments with the Trinity project
> for
> > Arch. There will be essentially 2 versions available. The primary focus
> of the
> > project is curre
On 14 August 2012 15:00, Martin Cigorraga wrote:
> On 14 August 2012 12:52, David C. Rankin
> wrote:
>
>> On 08/05/2012 11:03 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:
>> > All,
>> >
>> > There have been a few noteworthy developments with the Trinity project
>> for
>> > Arch. There will be essentially 2 versi
I would like to know how Arch used to deal with some init stuff, like
configuring virtual consoles, initializing random seed, etc. Is there some way
to retrieve older versions of /etc/rc.sysinit?
TIA
Jorge Almeida
On 14/08/2012 4:08 PM, Jorge Almeida wrote:
I would like to know how Arch used to deal with some init stuff, like
configuring virtual consoles, initializing random seed, etc. Is there some way
to retrieve older versions of /etc/rc.sysinit?
Yes: http://projects.archlinux.org/initscripts.git/log/r
On 14 August 2012 17:08, Jorge Almeida wrote:
> I would like to know how Arch used to deal with some init stuff, like
> configuring virtual consoles, initializing random seed, etc. Is there some
> way
> to retrieve older versions of /etc/rc.sysinit?
>
> TIA
>
> Jorge Almeida
>
Which versions of
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