Re: [arch-general] locked out

On Fri, Nov 06, 2020 at 08:56:13PM +0100, eye wrote: > Are you sure it has nothing to do with this: > > https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=258492 Indeed. Seems I ignored system-login.pacnew, and pam_tally*.so is no longer needed. Ciao, -- FA

Re: [arch-general] locked out

On Fri, Nov 06, 2020 at 07:02:53PM +0100, Jens John wrote: > Just boot into the faulty environment, try the log in a couple of > times (perhaps even on a TTY), reboot into recovery, inspect the > journald and/or syslog records of the events, if any. Excellent advice ! Seems /usr/lib/security/pam

[arch-general] locked out

Hello all, After a full upgrade it seems I'm locked out :-( The system boots normally, and shows the xdm login screen. But my password is not accepted. Same in a tty, also for root. I can boot using an installation stick, mount all partitions under /mnt as during installation, and do an arch-chr

Re: [arch-general] USB not assining port number

On Tue, May 05, 2020 at 01:31:48PM +0100, pete via arch-general wrote: > On Tue, 5 May 2020 13:13:52 +0200 > Damjan Georgievski via arch-general wrote: > > > > but no USB port given > > > > > > lsusb gives > > > Bus 002 Device 011: ID 1781:0c9f Multiple Vendors USBtiny > > > > what is this "usb

Re: [arch-general] xdm killed after 90 seconds

On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 05:48:50PM -0400, mar77i via arch-general wrote: > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > On June 13, 2018 9:50 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > I've got a strange problem on a newly installed system. > > About 90 secon

[arch-general] xdm killed after 90 seconds

Hello all, I've got a strange problem on a newly installed system. About 90 seconds after it is started, xdm (or xdm-archlinux) and any login session is killed. Apparently by systemd, because of a timeout. What's happening here ? TIA, -- FA

Re: [arch-general] Re-install of Arch on a larger drive

On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 05:25:36PM -0400, Trey Sizemore via arch-general wrote: > pacman -Qqe > pkglist.txt > > and then on the new install, I can use the pkglist.txt generated > previously to: > > pacman -S - < pkglist.txt > > In addition, by backing up and migrating much of my /home partitio

Re: [arch-general] (no subject)

On Sat, Jan 06, 2018 at 04:33:25PM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > "local" not necessarily means it was build from AUR, perhaps it was > moved from the official repositories to AUR, or somebody build her own > package. Things in /usr/local/bin and /usr/local/lib are NOT from AUR packages. The normal

[arch-general] LUKS on LVM example in wiki

I've been reading the section 'LUKS on LVM' in the wiki page and there's something I fail to understand. Under 'Preparing the logical volumes', there is: # lvcreate -L 500M -n tmp MyVol (which isn't shown in the ascii

Re: [arch-general] Ardour 5 - Was: What's with Ray Rashif?

On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 11:39:10PM +0600, Rashif Ray Rahman wrote: > Thanks guys for all the info you have been sharing, I got sloppy again > and went into full panic mode in preparation for my master's thesis > and subsequent defense (19th). Good luck, break a leg, etc. ! -- FA A world of e

Re: [arch-general] What is the current wiki-poliicy for re-writing contributions?

On Mon, Mar 21, 2016 at 12:22:30PM -0500, David C. Rankin wrote: > What is the current policy for having wiki-contributions re-written? I have > been a wiki-contributor for years, I've more than 28 years Unix/Linux > experience, I am an attorney, a registered professional engineer, and I have >

Re: [arch-general] xbacklight broken in 3.13

On Sat, Feb 22, 2014 at 01:24:10PM +, Frazer Jamieson wrote: > Please remove me from this mailing list - I have tried many many > requests through the usual channels. What 'usual channels' ? Nobody can remove you, you have to do that yourself at the same place you subscribed. (the URL is in

Re: [arch-general] How to reboot remotely without hanging ssh session?

On Wed, Feb 05, 2014 at 09:01:09PM +0100, Karol Babioch wrote: > Am 05.02.2014 20:19, schrieb David C. Rankin: > > However with systemd, using "systemctl reboot" the ssh session hangs > > until the remote host reboot or a timeout occurs. > > you probably want to follow the following discussion

Re: [arch-general] Audio distro

On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 11:35:09AM -0600, Jason Harrer wrote: > Being a musician and recording using Linux audio, I can concur > that Arch Ian't the best distro to start with. It's great to > use when you know what you're doing, though. I'm runnning around a dozen machines. Half of those are pa

Re: [arch-general] remote poweroff with systemd

On Wed, Aug 07, 2013 at 04:34:41PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: > If you use /bin/init (which is a symlink to systemctl) it is > synchronous, but if you change runlevel via the compatibility > /dev/initctl it is asynchronous. I couldn't find that we ship the > telinit binary in Arch, so don't know

Re: [arch-general] remote poweroff with systemd

On Wed, Aug 07, 2013 at 01:15:28PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: > It is correct that systemtl poweroff is synchronous, but using telinit > or --no-block will avoid that. Are you sure about telinit ? It was the first thing I tried, assuming it would asynchronous. But the man page says nothing abou

Re: [arch-general] remote poweroff with systemd

On Tue, Aug 06, 2013 at 01:56:09PM +0100, Paul Gideon Dann wrote: > ssh -t remote1 "sudo systemctl poweroff && exit" > > Technically I guess it's a race condition, but the command should terminate > and close the SSH session before OpenSSH is shut down, so you shouldn't get > the hang. > > Al

Re: [arch-general] remote poweroff with systemd

On Tue, Aug 06, 2013 at 12:31:20PM +0530, phanisvara wrote: > On Monday 05 Aug 2013 18:39:22 Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > ssh -t remote1 "sudo /sbin/init 0" > > ssh -t remote2 "sudo /sbin/init 0" > > > > etc. This has worked well for years. > >

[arch-general] remote poweroff with systemd

Hello all, In one installation I manage I have a script that (among other actions) remotely shuts down a number of headless machines. Until recently these machines used the traditional init scripts, and the commands in the script were ssh -t remote1 "sudo /sbin/init 0" ssh -t remote2 "sudo /sbi

Re: [arch-general] Linux-3.7.3-1-i686 blank screen

On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 09:55:17PM +, Whiskers wrote: > On Sat, 9 Feb 2013 16:33:52 -0800 Federico Cinelli > wrote: > > >Have you tried the xf86-video-nv driver from [extra]. > > Not yet; if necessary I'll even try the proprietary nVidia driver. Is nv still supported and usable ? I had a

[arch-general] Strange X11 problem with fresh install

Hello all, I'm experiencing an odd problem with a new system installed yesterday. Video HW is NV44 [GeForce 6200 LE], driver nouveau, login xdm-archlinux, windom manager is Windowmaker (but the same problem occurs with e.g. FVWM). Every _second_ login the following happens: * Input typed into x

Re: [arch-general] Winter Cleanup of [community]

On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 05:54:51PM +0100, Alexander Rødseth wrote: > The list of unneeded orphans can be viewed at this page: > https://www.archlinux.org/devel/reports/unneeded-orphans/ This seems to require a dev login... -- FA A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia. It'

Re: [arch-general] Install problem

On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 01:22:24AM +0100, Dario wrote: > [FA] > >[ ] IP [] pacpi_set_dmamode+0x50/0xa0 [pata_acpi] > > I've blacklisted pata_acpi because of random boot failures. Maybe > it's your case. It was. Blacklisted pata_acpi, mkinitcpio, and the system boots. So now I have my

Re: [arch-general] Install problem

On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 10:07:56AM -0500, Dave Reisner wrote: > Assuming this is native SATA and not setup in compat mode, your image > needs to contain the modules 'ahci', 'sd_mod', and 'ext4' (ignoring > dependencies which I assume mkinitcpio found, added). Make sure the > kernel version for th

Re: [arch-general] Install problem

On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 11:38:15AM +0100, Rodrigo Rivas wrote: > Do you see the partitions from the emergency shell, doing a `ls /dev/sd*`? There are no /dev/sd* Meanwhile I've noticed something new. Once in the about ten times I tried booting, it actually worked (and systemd seems to be incr

[arch-general] Install problem

Hello, today I did a fresh install using the december release of the install media. Everything done 'to the book' (the install guide wiki page). Bootloader is syslinux. When booting the freshly installed system, I get the syslinux menu, select Archlinux or fallback, things seem to be normal for a

[arch-general] python+pango

Hello all, Is there a python3 module for pango (as there is one for cairo) ? pacman -Ss pango gives me: extra/libtiger 0.3.4-3 A rendering library for Kate streams using Pango and Cairo extra/pango 1.32.3-1 [installed: 1.30.1-1] A library for layout and rendering of text extra/pango-per

Re: [arch-general] systemd sessions, su -l, and access to /dev/

On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 02:48:14PM +0100, Joakim Hernberg wrote: > On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 21:33:23 +0300 > MSal wrote: > > > 70-uaccess.rules is not a backup file and AFAIK any modifications will > > be overwritten in the next update. > > I have no /etc/udev/rules.d/70-uaccess.rules on my system,

Re: [arch-general] systemd sessions, su -l, and access to /dev/

On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 01:15:29AM +0300, MSal wrote: > Hello. > > I asked about this in the forum. But it looks like this is a better > place to discuss systemd-related issues. > > If I login to user1 or user2 then try to play audio which requires > access to /dev/snd/* , proper access to the lo

Re: [arch-general] File permissions with udisks/udisk2 mounts

On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 09:31:38PM +, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > The need to constantly review the source to work out exactly what > polkit allows is my primary reason to disable it. What is your way to disable it once and for all ? -- FA

Re: [arch-general] systemd and local group membership

On Sun, Oct 28, 2012 at 06:08:46PM +0100, Tom Gundersen wrote: > This means that both the user granted permissons by ACL, and the user > granted permission by being in the right group will have access to the > device. In other words, if your user had access without logind/CK s/he > will still have

[arch-general] Strange network problem

Hello all, I've got a strange problem with a machine that had a fresh install three weeks ago. Nothing new has been installed on it since then. About one time in four, after that machine has been booted, a ssh to it (on a LAN) fails with 'no route to host'. Using ip link and ip addr on it shows e

Re: [arch-general] want to try systemd but need some advice

On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 11:10:36PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: > Do I understand correctly that you simply want to disable systemd > setting ACL's on your device nodes? That is indeed my main concern. In particular, audio devices should be available to whoever is a member of the 'audio' group, an

Re: [arch-general] want to try systemd but need some advice

On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 09:59:17AM -0600, Matthew Monaco wrote: > Your login sessions from the display manager, virtual terminal, and ssh will > all > be very similar (if not identical) if you have the same settings in > /etc/pam.d/{,login,sshd}. That may very well be true, but would it solve t

Re: [arch-general] want to try systemd but need some advice

On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 10:59:45PM +0200, Rodrigo Rivas wrote: > Well, you can disable the registering of systemd-logind sessions by > deleting the lines with "pam_systemd.so" from the files /etc/pam.d/*. Not > sure if that will be enough, or even wise. > And now that you are into it, you could d

[arch-general] want to try systemd but need some advice

Hello all, During the past days I've been reading the sytemd manpages, and I'm more or less prepared to reconfigure one the systems I manage to use systemd. The main thing that scares me off is the 'consolekit style' login management of systemd's logind. In particular the following (from

Re: [arch-general] Iinstallation program

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 08:24:21PM +0100, mike cloaked wrote: > There seems to be quite a lot of fuss about the installer - however I > have installed arch on a laptop two days ago that was running a > non-arch distro until then - I have to say that once I had done the > necessary reading so that

Re: [arch-general] Mailing list closed for 24 hours

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 05:32:08PM -0300, Martín Cigorraga wrote: > We Arch Linux users are a kind of users who: > [1 ... 6] A as user I can subscribe to this 100%, also to your conclusions. -- FA A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia. It's also a pipe-dream, founded on

Re: [arch-general] The future of sysvinit in Arch: Call for Help

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 03:48:06PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: > I intend to maintain initscripts in the official repos as long as this > makes sense. However, for this to be viable, I think we would need at > least one capable and active initscripts developer who is interested > in helping out a

Re: [arch-general] Problem with radeon driver

On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 01:27:30PM -0300, Martín Cigorraga wrote: > Which ATi card does your system have? 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Radeon RV250 [Mobility FireGL 9000] (rev 02) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller]) Subsystem: IBM Device 0531

[arch-general] Problem with radeon driver

Hello all, Yesterday I wanted to update my IBM R51. Since this hadn't seen any updates for half a year or so I decided to go for a full install, also to try out the new install procedures. This all went very smoothly, and there's only one remaining problem. X11 seems to work, but - GUI elements

Re: [arch-general] Some funny bloke - 2

On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 01:06:46AM +0200, Felipe Contreras wrote: > > Could those receiving these emails please speak out? I haven't, for one. > > Not that much can be done about it.. > > I have received about 30 of them, all from 74.63.112.146. Someone loves you :-) I got only 3 :-( Ciao, --

Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux and systemd

On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 04:08:32AM -0500, C Anthony Risinger wrote: > no flexibility is lost by moving to systemd, and really, much more > gained: wider userbase, wider testbase, simple units to write, simple > units to read, loosely coupled ordering, implicit dependencies, Grand > Unified logging

Re: [arch-general] Some funny bloke - 2

On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 11:43:18AM +0800, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: > Could those receiving these emails please speak out? I haven't, for one. > Not that much can be done about it.. A third one arrived. BTW, I don't want to discourage anyone from reading Lennart's blog. It's very revealing at some point

[arch-general] Some funny bloke - 2

Just received a second bogus 'unsubscribe confirmation request'. This begins to look like stalking. The request was sent from anonymouse.org, so whoever is doing this is a miserable coward apart from whatever else. Ciao, -- FA A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an utopia. It's a

[arch-general] Some funny bloke

Some funny bloke just sent me a bogus 'please confirm your request to unsubscribe' message. Probably because I suggested that Lennart's blog is not the ideal place to find unbiased information regarding systemd if you want to inform yourself before participating in the poll. Which is just a fact,

Re: [arch-general] SystemD poll

On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 07:09:47PM +0200, Jelle van der Waa wrote: > Also you're poll doesn't give any arguments for or against the move, > unedacted users should look into the benefits of moving to systemd. They should look at both the pros and cons. One problem with this is that much of the the

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Migration to systemd

On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 04:12:58AM +0800, Rashif Ray Rahman wrote: > On 16 August 2012 03:46, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:25:05AM +0800, Rashif Ray Rahman wrote: > >> It is a new 'upstream' that we can rely on for running our GNU/Linux

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Migration to systemd

On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 12:25:05AM +0800, Rashif Ray Rahman wrote: > Please think of systemd as the freedesktop.org specs for desktop files > or graphical interoperability between distributions (X11, d-bus). I'm trying to attach some meaning to that sentence, but so far I can't. > It is a new 'u

Re: [arch-general] Lennart Poettering on udev-systemd

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:55:02AM -0400, Baho Utot wrote: > >after switching to it I prefer it because I just find it a lot easier to > >deal with than sysvinit IMO. For example I find systemd's .service files so > >much cleaner and easier to understand than initscripts, they are also > >portable

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 08:33:41PM +0200, "Jérôme M. Berger" wrote: > Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > 16 bit means that there are 2^16 possible values for a sample. So the > > signal is quantised to the nearest level. Except in some special cases, > > the error (a roundi

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 06:08:04PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > For professional usage cables usually have to be self-made. Btw. I once > asked if Neutrik plastic cable relief does crumble all over the world > after a while at LAU or LAD. Yes, they do. I switched to Rean. Which is Neutrik made i

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 02:08:43AM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > Of course bullshit is also rife and quite amusing sometimes. The same > pro audio world sells £10,000 gold power cables as thick as your arm and > then plugs them into a standard copper wall socket. Nobody in the pro audio world fa

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 12:12:56AM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: > On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 12:06 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > >> Sad to see rc.conf more or less being deprecated too. > > > > Yes, it was very convenient to have almost all essential > > configuration a

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 11:43:08PM +0200, Joakim Hernberg wrote: > I was however sad to see old dependable friends like ifconfig and route > being deprecated last year. I had the same initial response to that. But spending an evening reading the ip manpage and doing a lot of 'exercises' using i

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 07:38:58PM +0200, "Jérôme M. Berger" wrote: > Actually, that's one point where PA is right (even though it's > wrong on a lot of other points): doing it like (2) avoids amplifying > the quantification noise if the sound card applies the master gain > in analog (or use

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 11:10:10AM -0500, Leonid Isaev wrote: > Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think that's possible, because dB is > normalized to max power (in watts = intensity). [ Tom & Leonid ] > Lots of questions... I'll try to answer them, but not all at a time (I need to eat/sleep

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 04:00:47PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: > You have showed that it is unnecessary in one particular (very simple) > case. However, you have not showed that it is unnecessary in all > cases, so this is not really relevant (had we been talking about a > human doing this, you'd

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 04:00:47PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: > On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 3:07 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > it's just extremely clumsy to use a mixer > > that way, you'd need ten hands. For it means that whenever you want > > to adjust a single

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 02:47:59AM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: > Argument by authority, nice. Care to elaborate? (Sorry to anyone who > is sick of PA, but for once I'm seeing the chance to learn something > from one of these threads ;-)). No authority needed here, it's just extremely clumsy to us

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 01:41:01AM +0200, Jan Steffens wrote: > On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 1:23 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > If that is true it is completely wrong from the start. Because > > that setup can't be maintained when a second app starts playing > > which can h

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:41:24AM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: > On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:31 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > First, PA has no visibility on whatever internal volume control > > an app provides. It just doesn't know about it. All it gets is > > the outp

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:15:14AM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: > On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 12:03 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > So imagine the average desktop user who gets five or so of > > them: > > > > - one provided by the application (player or something) > >

Re: [arch-general] OT: [arch-dev-public] polkit package upgrade patch

On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 12:02:50PM -0400, Baho Utot wrote: > With pulse it just takes over the master volume when it try to > adjust audio in an application cranking the master volume to full. > Without pulse it just works the way I like it to be. So count me as > one of the ones who doesn't like

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 03:30:09PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: > For better or worse, the reality is that there are hard dependencies > on things you don't like. It seems that upstream is unwilling to > change that. Then you should really ask yourself why they take that position. AFAICS, there i

Re: [arch-general] What can be deleted, when not using systemd - was: polkit package upgrade patch

On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 01:35:10PM +0200, Heiko Baums wrote: > How many times does it have to be said, that there are bug reports filed > to upstream which have been ignored by upstream resp. which have been > closed as fixed by first blaming ALSA for the PA problems, even if ALSA > supports thos

Re: [arch-general] Systemd : Analysis of reactions of Users

On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 05:22:09PM +0800, Oon-Ee Ng wrote: > Yeah, because key=value pairs are more complicated then, you know, a > programming language? Apples and oranges. What you read in a bash script is what actually gets executed. And this is being done by a tool that is not specific for

Re: [arch-general] systemd network configuration

On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 11:57:02AM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: > Then create a service file in /etc/systemd/system/davids-network.service > > [unit] > description= David's Network Setup > Wants= network.target > Before= network.target > > [service] > Type = oneshot > ExecStart=/usr/local/bin/da

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 10:30:37AM +0200, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: > The 22/07/12, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > > Simple example: I didn't have consolekit for some years, and I don't > > care about whatever it has to offer. > > ...This may be why you don't u

Re: [arch-general] Consolekit etc. stubs? (Was: My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.)

On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 02:35:33PM -0700, Scott Lawrence wrote: > A little OT (hence changed subject), but I've sometimes wondered - > shouldn't it be possible to create a "stub" version of libdbus, > libconsolekit, et al that does nothing but the least necessary to > get the calling program work

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 10:45:13PM +0200, Karol Babioch wrote: > Am 22.07.2012 22:26, schrieb Fons Adriaensen: > > Simple example: I didn't have consolekit for some years, and I don't > > care about whatever it has to offer. Recent updates of xdm have pulled > &g

[arch-general] Install scripts

On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 11:01:02AM -, Arch Linux: Recent news updates: Pierre Schmitz wrote: > New iso images containing a current Arch Linux snapshot have been released and > can be found on our [Download][1] page. I have not used the install scripts so far (probably will in a few days) but

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 02:52:49PM -0500, Leonid Isaev wrote: > I wonder why everyone thinks that Archlinux is about a single config file... > It is the same myth as "Arch is faster than distro XYZ" or the "simple BSD > init". A single config file or a few of them won't matter. As long as you can

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 04:17:13PM +0200, Karol Babioch wrote: > Am 22.07.2012 15:36, schrieb Fons Adriaensen: > > to get rid of all that > > Poetterix > > Once again this is not a technical argument, but a very subjective > reason with - at least for me - no basis.

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 03:02:05PM +0200, Heiko Baums wrote: > Am Sun, 22 Jul 2012 12:43:39 + > schrieb Fons Adriaensen : > > > Fair enough, but for this sort of thing, who is 'upstream' ? > > In this case the super-ingenious Lennart Poettering, I guess. I swi

Re: [arch-general] My end-user $0.02 on /etc/rc.conf splitting.

On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 02:29:44PM +0200, Karol Babioch wrote: > Arch was always - if nothing else - about upstream > compatibility and this is just the next step. Fair enough, but for this sort of thing, who is 'upstream' ? Ciao, -- FA A world of exhaustive, reliable metadata would be an uto

Re: [arch-general] [OT] my Arch box randomly becomes irresponsible

On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 12:03:35PM +0100, Paul Gideon Dann wrote: > Completely off-topic, but am I the only one that chuckled at this title? A > very minor mistake, but "irresponsible" means "not responsible", and brings > to > mind pictures of your computer spending all your money, running an

Re: [arch-general] login fails after update

On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 12:20:10PM +0200, Tom Gundersen wrote: > On Jul 16, 2012 12:17 PM, "Fons Adriaensen" wrote: > > > > On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 04:42:28AM +0100, Dave Morgan wrote: > > > > > > > The most likely reason for /bin/login bein

Re: [arch-general] login fails after update

On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 04:42:28AM +0100, Dave Morgan wrote: > The most likely reason for /bin/login being missing is that the upgrade > was forced. No, it was not. As already said I followed the instructions which clearly stated not to use --force. Ciao, -- FA A world of exhaustive, reliabl

Re: [arch-general] login fails after update

On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 10:11:28AM +0100, Dave Morgan wrote: > Boot into single user mode and look at /var/log/auth.log. It should > tell you what the problem is. Seemed some things were missing, one of them being login Which is *very strange* ... Fortunately I could afford to just dump thi

[arch-general] login fails after update

Hello all, I did a complete upgrade following the instructions w.r.t. the /lib symlink, and indeed ended up with pacman -Su saying 'nothing to do' and /lib being a symlink. On rebooting I get the login prompt on tty1..6, but after entering a login nothing happens (no passwd prompt) and after a fe

[arch-general] libusbx

Regarding the libusb / libusbx replacement, the following may be of interest to authors using it: I have one app using libusb, after the upgrade it consistently segfaulted on calling libusb_exit(0). The '0' argument in this call and some others means my code was using the 'default context'. Usin

[arch-general] upgrade disabled IP forwarding

A pacman -Syu today unexpectedly disabled IP forwarding on two of my machines which were configured to provide that service. Unexpected because AFAIK there's no recent news item mentioning this, nor were there any upgrade messages about it. No big deal, and probably just some unwanted side effect,

Re: [arch-general] problem installing octave

On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 09:12:02AM +1000, Allan McRae wrote: > "Run 'pacman -Syu' and try again." > > But you ignored it: > > "I've no intention to do a full system upgrade ATM" I did not ignore it, I gave some reasons why that was not an option at that time. And those reasons are in line with

Re: [arch-general] problem installing octave

On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 04:12:47PM -0600, Leonid Isaev wrote: > Simply put there are 2 pkg trees: in the official repos and on your system. > They are supposed to be in-sync -- that's what pacman -Sy does. pacman -S > fetches pkg according to YOUR tree. Over time the sync is lost, so YOUR tree >

Re: [arch-general] problem installing octave

On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:55:22PM +0100, Alexandre Ferrando wrote: > On 16 February 2012 22:52, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > > Could you elaborate a bit on that ?  Isn't 'pacman -S foo' supposed > > to either install (if not yet installed) or update any dependenc

Re: [arch-general] problem installing octave

On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:41:53PM +0100, Karol Blazewicz wrote: > On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:36 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > > Because it is apparently a dependency of octave. And pacman tried to > > install it, but failed due to the 'no version information'. >

Re: [arch-general] problem installing octave

On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:22:51PM +0100, Karol Blazewicz wrote: > On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 10:04 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 09:52:49PM +0100, Karol Blazewicz wrote: > >> On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Fons Adriaensen > >> wrote: >

Re: [arch-general] problem installing octave

On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 09:52:49PM +0100, Karol Blazewicz wrote: > On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > I tried to install octave (after a pacman -Sy). > > Run 'pacman -Syu' and try again. I've no intention to do a full system upgrade ATM, n

[arch-general] problem installing octave

Hello all, I tried to install octave (after a pacman -Sy). root@zita1:/home/fons> pacman -S octave pacman: /usr/lib/libcurl.so.4: no version information available (required by /usr/lib/libalpm.so.7) Octave gets installed, but refuses to run due to the missing library. ??? -- FA Vor

Re: [arch-general] change in mount behaviour?

On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 12:28:00AM +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 2012-01-29 at 23:11 +0000, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > A trained audio engineer knows how to find out > > such things and get them right, but the average user is completely > > lost if there is more

Re: [arch-general] change in mount behaviour?

On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 11:33:34PM +0100, Tom Gundersen wrote: > ALSA is not using this information in the same way (if at all). It is > a well known problem that PA will act crazy if the dB values from ALSA > are wrong, but ALSA itself mostly does not care (because the user is > setting all the

Re: [arch-general] change in mount behaviour?

On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 11:17:38PM +0100, Heiko Baums wrote: > My is based on a bug report, upstream's solution for closing this bug > report - this weird ALSA configuration which cripples those cards to > pure stereo cards - and their response to the reopening of this bug > report. The ALSA 'ro

Re: [arch-general] change in mount behaviour?

On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 10:02:25PM +0100, Heiko Baums wrote: > Am Sun, 29 Jan 2012 14:42:33 + > schrieb Fons Adriaensen : > > > They *DO* know and understand the difference between consumer and > > 'pro' audio. > > I have another impression. Could be. M

Re: [arch-general] change in mount behaviour?

On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 02:46:37PM +0100, Heiko Baums wrote: > This has already been tried at least with pulseaudio. Their reactions > are known. Blame ALSA for PA's faults while ALSA supports those card > perfectly since years, and crippling those audio cards down to stereo > with some very stra

Re: [arch-general] change in mount behaviour?

On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 03:41:06PM -0600, Leonid Isaev wrote: > http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/NEWS.23.2 This doesn't provide any reason why emacs should depend on consolekit for its functionality. It only says it depends on gconf to find out a 'default font', and that you can opt out at com

Re: [arch-general] change in mount behaviour?

On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 06:46:20PM +0100, Tom Gundersen wrote: > There has been a lot of changes lately, this is true. However, a lot > of effort has been put into reaching consensus between the distros and > the relevant upstream projects. Much more so now than before. > > It is my impression t

Re: [arch-general] PulseAudio again (was: change in mount behaviour?)

On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 01:14:47PM -0600, Leonid Isaev wrote: > PA is a great consumer thing, and that's exactly what we need. PA is indeed a great consumer thing, and it may be what you need. It is definitely not what some others need. > Because noone cares about "pro" audio solutions You me

Re: [arch-general] PulseAudio again (was: change in mount behaviour?)

On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 06:24:07PM +0100, Heiko Baums wrote: > If PulseAudio was generally only optional and if its developers > wouldn't try to declare it as a standard, I just wouldn't care. It's part of a more general trend, that of dependencies on specific desktop junk trickling down into ev

Re: [arch-general] change in mount behaviour?

On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 05:29:51PM +0100, Heiko Baums wrote: > And, no, artificially crippling a (semi-)professional audio card down > to stereo with a strange ALSA configuration is not a solution for this. > And, no, it's not ALSA's fault like Lennart Poettering says, it's > PulseAudio's fault.

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