On Dec 30, 2011 3:32 AM, "David Kolb" wrote:
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> > would force the person to research on their own or just send one
> > message to check t
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On 12/29/2011 1:57 PM, Don Juan wrote:
> If its a repeated question why not either no one respond which
> would force the person to research on their own or just send one
> message to check the wiki and or other pertinent place where the
> info has bee
On 12/28/2011 10:16 PM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote:
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Steve Holmes wrote:
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 11:18:33AM +, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
Seriously? It's comments like this that make me wonder if subscribing to this
list is really worth it. At least you did go on to pro
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Steve Holmes wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 11:18:33AM +, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
>> Seriously? It's comments like this that make me wonder if subscribing to
>> this
>> list is really worth it. At least you did go on to provide some useful
>> information,
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 11:18:33AM +, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
> Seriously? It's comments like this that make me wonder if subscribing to
> this
> list is really worth it. At least you did go on to provide some useful
> information, albeit in a "if I MUST stoop down to your level" kind of t
On Sat, 24 Dec 2011 00:20:17 +0100
Tom Gundersen wrote:
> > http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=114233317926101
> >
> > And equivelent on Linux
> >
> > http://forums.grsecurity.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=47
> >
> > You can use framebuffer mode or the nouveau driver instead of the
> > nvidia binary and
On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 14:38:14 -0600
Leonid Isaev wrote:
> Disabling cap_sys_rawio renders
> X unusable with intel drivers (it fails to start with an I/O error).
Depends on the driver, newer ati may have a better KMS method than
framebuffer but adding vga=ask to the kernel bootline and using
xf86-v
On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 1:08 AM, Ralf Madorf wrote:
>
> [...] what would be the difference [...] For Debian I [...]
Ralf ...
your thread has managed to generate 65+ responses in 24 hours -- yet
you have not actually encountered a problem, nor produced anything
concrete to work with -- and thus f
On Sat, 2011-12-24 at 08:08 +0100, Ralf Madorf wrote:
> [snip]
> IIUC https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PKGBUILD#provides [snip]
>
> provides=('pulseaudio
>pulseaudio-alsa')
> ?!
provides=('pulseaudio'
'pulseaudio-alsa')
?!
> - Ralf
On Fri, 2011-12-23 at 22:28 -0500, Brendan Long wrote:
> If you don't like what GNOME is doing, don't use it. :p
Please read my mails more carefully. I do like what many GNOME apps are
doing. I already switched to Xfce, but from time to time I'll test
GNOME3 and even if there might be no need for
On Fri, 2011-12-23 at 22:34 -0500, Brendan Long wrote:
> Is it really worth the effort to save 5 MB of disk space (while having
> random broken packages)?
When the packages pulseaudio and pulseaudio-alsa
(including /etc/asound.conf) are replaced by a dummy package no other
package would be broken.
On 12/23/2011 05:03 AM, Ralf Madorf wrote:
>
> So I should install PA, while not using it? Is this the interpretation
> of KISS by Arch Linux?
>
> I already have written that I'll use a HDSP card = HDSP mixer, a desktop
> mixer thingy won't be able to handle such an audio card and my sound
> server
On 12/23/2011 02:10 PM, Ralf Madorf wrote:
> This isn't the original Linux policy, this is some new policy and one
> after the other distro gets impacted by this new style.
Um what? GNOME is not Linux, nor is it Arch Linux. If you don't like
what GNOME is doing, don't use it. :p
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On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 8:35 PM, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 15:54:35 +0100
> Tom Gundersen wrote:
>
>> > [...] I have to disable 3d support on some
>> > machines,
>> > due to the gaping security hole that graphics cards require [...]
>>
>> OT:
>>
>> Woul
On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 19:35:23 +
Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> You can use framebuffer mode or the nouveau driver instead of the
> nvidia binary and still run X with RAWIO access disabled but with
> limited acceleration.
Interesting, how does it work with nouveau? Disabling cap_sys_rawio renders
X
On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 14:34:21 +0100
Ralf Madorf wrote:
> Ok, so it's usually not running ...
I've used chmod 000 in the past when I couldn't find where something
was initialising but updates will reset the permissions and using
immutability might make pacman error and die.
Is there a way to tell
On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 15:54:35 +0100
Tom Gundersen wrote:
> > [...] I have to disable 3d support on some
> > machines,
> > due to the gaping security hole that graphics cards require [...]
>
> OT:
>
> Would you care to elaborate on this? What security hole do you have in
Haha alright thanks :)
On Dec 23, 2011 2:21 PM, "Stefan Wilkens" wrote:
> 2011/12/23 Jonathan Vasquez :
> > I agree with Paul and Peter. People cant be treating others like crap
> just
> > because they are asking for help. If you don't have anything better to
> say,
> > then just be quiet and fil
2011/12/23 Jonathan Vasquez :
> I agree with Paul and Peter. People cant be treating others like crap just
> because they are asking for help. If you don't have anything better to say,
> then just be quiet and filter, you don't have to contribute. I've only been
> on these mailing lists for a few d
I agree with Paul and Peter. People cant be treating others like crap just
because they are asking for help. If you don't have anything better to say,
then just be quiet and filter, you don't have to contribute. I've only been
on these mailing lists for a few days and I know most people aren't like
On Fri, 2011-12-23 at 12:17 -0600, Leonid Isaev wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 19:03:16 +0100
> Ralf Madorf wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 2011-12-23 at 09:44 -0600, Leonid Isaev wrote:
> > > Can you suggest something better? I don't think so.
> >
> > Yes, jackd would be much better. Pulseaudio is an unluck
On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 19:03:16 +0100
Ralf Madorf wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-12-23 at 09:44 -0600, Leonid Isaev wrote:
> > Can you suggest something better? I don't think so.
>
> Yes, jackd would be much better. Pulseaudio is an unlucky choice. If
> there's no PA installed and people don't wish to handl
On Fri, 2011-12-23 at 09:44 -0600, Leonid Isaev wrote:
> Can you suggest something better? I don't think so.
Yes, jackd would be much better. Pulseaudio is an unlucky choice. If
there's no PA installed and people don't wish to handle jackd, ALSA
already is able to do all what's needed. What was ba
On Fri, 2011-12-23 at 14:34 +, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> This is a Unix issue and not even a Linux issue though Linux tends to be
> worse than other Unices. OpenBSD tries to minimise these dependencies
> as more code equals more bugs but they do get constant headaches from
> upstream. It's better
On Fri, 2011-12-23 at 14:05 +, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
> On Friday 23 Dec 2011 14:34:21 Ralf Madorf wrote:
> > ... OT: OTOH I don't really understand how it works or why it seemingly
> > won't solve some PA issues when it's running.
>
> I think you need to use it to invoke other programs:
>
>
On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 11:57:11 +0100
Ralf Madorf wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-12-23 at 10:17 +, Peter Lewis wrote:
> > And if you want to, file a bug report upstream about the dependency on
> > pulse.
>
> As others already pointed out. It's not a bug regarding to Arch
> packages, but the policy of GN
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> [...] I have to disable 3d support on some machines,
> due to the gaping security hole that graphics cards require [...]
OT:
Would you care to elaborate on this? What security hole do you have in mind?
Cheers,
T
This is a Unix issue and not even a Linux issue though Linux tends to be
worse than other Unices. OpenBSD tries to minimise these dependencies
as more code equals more bugs but they do get constant headaches from
upstream. It's better than having ancient libraries like on windows
around though. Th
On Friday 23 Dec 2011 14:34:21 Ralf Madorf wrote:
> ... OT: OTOH I don't really understand how it works or why it seemingly
> won't solve some PA issues when it's running.
I think you need to use it to invoke other programs:
# pasuspender startx
or maybe inside .xinirc:
exec pasuspender startxf
On Fri, 2011-12-23 at 14:03 +0100, Alessandro Doro wrote:
> man pasuspender
Ok, so it's usually not running ...
[spinymouse@archlinux ~]$ pidof pulseaudio
1051
[spinymouse@archlinux ~]$ pidof pasuspender
[spinymouse@archlinux ~]$
... OT: OTOH I don't really understand how it works or why it seem
man pasuspender
PS:
> killall padevchooser
Perhaps this was missing when people killed PA and they still had
issues.
On Fri, 2011-12-23 at 16:57 +0530, Jayesh Badwaik wrote:
> You can simply turn pulseaudio off!!!
I wonder if this works
#!/bin/bash
#Kill PulseAudio and PulseAudio Device Chooser
pulseaudio --kill
killall padevchooser
Stuff like that is discussed since years and often killing PA shipped
with is
On Friday 23 Dec 2011 11:18:33 Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
> On Friday 23 Dec 2011 12:06:37 Kwpolska wrote:
> > Dear idiot,
> >
> > I'm kinda wondering why you aren't filtered from my mailbox yet.
> > [..]
> > I-M-P-O-S-S-I-B-L-E. Period.
>
> Seriously? It's comments like this that make me wonder i
PS:
On Fri, 2011-12-23 at 12:06 +0100, Kwpolska wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Ralf Madorf
> wrote:
> (b) learn how to code and cut
> out all sound stuff out of gnome-settings-daemon.
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=998403#p998403
But this won't help, if you install GNOM
On Fri, 2011-12-23 at 11:02 +, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
> On Friday 23 Dec 2011 21:02:43 Allan McRae wrote:
> > > I like GDM. I don't like login managers where I can't browse the users.
> > Good to see you did you research on other login managers...
>
> I don't think this kind of sarcasm is goi
On Fri, 2011-12-23 at 12:06 +0100, Kwpolska wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Ralf Madorf
> wrote:
> > Wow :D
> >
> > I first just asked for a solution similar to Debian dummy packages and
> > get tons [1] of insults.
> >
> > Then I explained why I (and I know a lot of other people) will
On Fri, 2011-12-23 at 10:56 +, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
> On Friday 23 Dec 2011 11:45:23 Ralf Madorf wrote:
> > I'll use jack, no desktop sound, no Skype etc., just pro and consumer
> > multimedia apps, flashplayer.
> > There hopefully is a way to fake that PA is installed.
>
> Hi Ralph,
>
> I
EDIT
> I believe that unless your other applications (the ones that matter) do not
> directly require pulseaudio, you should be fine.
>
I believe that unless your other applications (the ones that matter) do
directly require pulseaudio, you should be fine.
--
--
Hi,
>
> At least I need Xfce.
>
> I was a KDE3 user (for some tasks I used Ion2). When KDE4 replaced KDE3
> I switched to GNOME2 and when GNOME3 replaced GNOME2 I switched to Xfce.
>
> I tested a lot of DEs/WMs.
Really? Did you do that?
I know there are themes for slim that are easily available w
On Friday 23 Dec 2011 12:06:37 Kwpolska wrote:
> Dear idiot,
>
> I'm kinda wondering why you aren't filtered from my mailbox yet.
> [..]
> I-M-P-O-S-S-I-B-L-E. Period.
Seriously? It's comments like this that make me wonder if subscribing to this
list is really worth it. At least you did go on
Quoting Ralf Madorf (2011-12-23 11:35:49)
>Wow :D
>
>I first just asked for a solution similar to Debian dummy packages and
>get tons [1] of insults.
No, you didn't. You only mentioned that you used dummy packages on
debian. You asked and talked about a lot of other things.
Please consider writing
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Ralf Madorf
wrote:
> Wow :D
>
> I first just asked for a solution similar to Debian dummy packages and
> get tons [1] of insults.
>
> Then I explained why I (and I know a lot of other people) will install
> e.g. GNOME. I'll do it again. We might wish to use this D
On Fri, 2011-12-23 at 10:17 +, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
> However, if I understand correctly, you're interested in using ArchLinux for
> a
> Digital Audio Workstation?
Yes
> If you only need to use a couple of tools, you may
> find that you don't need a desktop environment, and could get aw
On Friday 23 Dec 2011 21:02:43 Allan McRae wrote:
> > I like GDM. I don't like login managers where I can't browse the users.
> Good to see you did you research on other login managers...
I don't think this kind of sarcasm is going to help Ralph, and is likely to
make him more frustrated, which w
On Fri, 2011-12-23 at 10:17 +, Peter Lewis wrote:
> And if you want to, file a bug report upstream about the dependency on pulse.
As others already pointed out. It's not a bug regarding to Arch
packages, but the policy of GNOME3 to make it the default sound sever.
OTOH here should be a possibi
On Friday 23 Dec 2011 11:45:23 Ralf Madorf wrote:
> I'll use jack, no desktop sound, no Skype etc., just pro and consumer
> multimedia apps, flashplayer.
> There hopefully is a way to fake that PA is installed.
Hi Ralph,
I have no idea if this will work for you but try this:
1) Create an empty d
On 23/12/11 20:49, Ralf Madorf wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-12-23 at 12:16 +0200, Ionut Biru wrote:
>> if you don't like gdm, remove it and replace it with lxdm,lightdm or
>> other crap out there.
>
> I like GDM. I don't like login managers where I can't browse the users.
>
Good to see you did you rese
On Fri, 2011-12-23 at 12:16 +0200, Ionut Biru wrote:
> if you don't like gdm, remove it and replace it with lxdm,lightdm or
> other crap out there.
I like GDM. I don't like login managers where I can't browse the users.
- Ralf
On Fri, 2011-12-23 at 11:13 +0100, Heiko Baums wrote:
> Am Fri, 23 Dec 2011 10:53:56 +0100
> schrieb Ralf Madorf :
>
> > I know this command, but this won't solve the issue, that PA on Arch
> > Linux is a dependency for software that don't need PA.
> > I want a clean solution.
>
> Run pacman -Qi
Wow :D
I first just asked for a solution similar to Debian dummy packages and
get tons [1] of insults.
Then I explained why I (and I know a lot of other people) will install
e.g. GNOME. I'll do it again. We might wish to use this DE or simply GDM
as login manager. I don't blame Arch Linux package
On Friday 23 Dec 2011 10:57:40 Ralf Madorf wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-12-23 at 13:02 +0330, ali.mous...@gmail.com wrote:
> > you can't use gnome 3 without pulse audio. if you don't want to use
> > pulse audio, consider using another DE or WM.
>
> At the moment I'm using Xfce only, but I will have the l
On 12/23/2011 12:11 PM, Ralf Madorf wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-12-23 at 03:39 -0600, C Anthony Risinger wrote:
>> Do not install an application requiring it?
>
> Why does GDM require it?
> Why does GNOME3 require it?
>
why are you talking about it here? We are not GNOME.
but to answer your question,
Am Fri, 23 Dec 2011 10:53:56 +0100
schrieb Ralf Madorf :
> I know this command, but this won't solve the issue, that PA on Arch
> Linux is a dependency for software that don't need PA.
> I want a clean solution.
Run pacman -Qi pulseaudio to see what package(s) forces you to install
PA. As far as
You should speak to GNOME about why they require PA. If Debian doesn't
require it, then they most likely patched it to not require it. Arch
doesn't really patch .. avoids it if possible.
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 5:11 AM, Ralf Madorf wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-12-23 at 03:39 -0600, C Anthony Risinger wr
On Fri, 2011-12-23 at 03:39 -0600, C Anthony Risinger wrote:
> Do not install an application requiring it?
Why does GDM require it?
Why does GNOME3 require it?
> You'll need to provide context about what you're trying to accomplish
> (clear and simple goals) and what you've already done (eg. I ra
Arch Linux stands by being as close as possible to upstream. If upstream
makes a decision, Arch follows it. Arch hardly patches anything at all. So
basically whatever packages you get when you try to install something, is
the way that upstream wanted those packages to be installed.
On Fri, Dec 23,
On 12/23/2011 11:51 AM, Ralf Madorf wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-12-23 at 11:27 +0200, Ionut Biru wrote:
>> On 12/23/2011 11:25 AM, Ralf Madorf wrote:
>>> On Fri, 2011-12-23 at 11:17 +0200, Ionut Biru wrote:
can you clarify that you are talking about pulseaudio and not about
libpulse?
>>>
>>> #
On Fri, 2011-12-23 at 10:38 +0100, Stefan Wilkens wrote:
> Pulse recently replaced esound as the dependent sound server for
> gnome[1], esound has been marked dead.
>
> You might have some relative success if you drop pulse and do some
> per-application configuration to redirect their default outp
2011/12/23 Ralf Madorf :
> On Fri, 2011-12-23 at 13:02 +0330, ali.mous...@gmail.com wrote:
>> you can't use gnome 3 without pulse audio. if you don't want to use pulse
>> audio, consider using another DE or WM.
>
> At the moment I'm using Xfce only, but I will have the libre to use
> GNOME3 too, si
On Fri, 2011-12-23 at 13:02 +0330, ali.mous...@gmail.com wrote:
> you can't use gnome 3 without pulse audio. if you don't want to use pulse
> audio, consider using another DE or WM.
At the moment I'm using Xfce only, but I will have the libre to use
GNOME3 too, since it works without PA. It did wo
2011/12/23 Ralf Madorf :
> On Fri, 2011-12-23 at 11:27 +0200, Ionut Biru wrote:
>> On 12/23/2011 11:25 AM, Ralf Madorf wrote:
>> > On Fri, 2011-12-23 at 11:17 +0200, Ionut Biru wrote:
>> >> can you clarify that you are talking about pulseaudio and not about
>> >> libpulse?
>> >
>> > # pacman -Rss p
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Ralf Madorf
wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-12-23 at 11:27 +0200, Ionut Biru wrote:
>> On 12/23/2011 11:25 AM, Ralf Madorf wrote:
>> > On Fri, 2011-12-23 at 11:17 +0200, Ionut Biru wrote:
>> >> can you clarify that you are talking about pulseaudio and not about
>> >> libpul
On Fri, 2011-12-23 at 04:29 -0500, Jonathan Vasquez wrote:
> You could do that by doing pacman -Rsc pulseaudio .. but be extremely
> careful with that command. It deletes everything recursively down
> (cascading as man pacman puts it).
I know this command, but this won't solve the issue, that PA o
On Fri, 2011-12-23 at 11:27 +0200, Ionut Biru wrote:
> On 12/23/2011 11:25 AM, Ralf Madorf wrote:
> > On Fri, 2011-12-23 at 11:17 +0200, Ionut Biru wrote:
> >> can you clarify that you are talking about pulseaudio and not about
> >> libpulse?
> >
> > # pacman -Rss pulseaudio
> > checking dependenc
On Dec 23, 2011 2:41 AM, "Ralf Madorf" wrote:
>
> Is there a clean solution to get completely rid of PA?
Do not install an application requiring it?
You'll need to provide context about what you're trying to accomplish
(clear and simple goals) and what you've already done (eg. I ran command
xyz,
Pulse recently replaced esound as the dependent sound server for
gnome[1], esound has been marked dead.
You might have some relative success if you drop pulse and do some
per-application configuration to redirect their default output to alsa
or OSS. While this would work for applications such as g
you can't use gnome 3 without pulse audio. if you don't want to use pulse
audio, consider using another DE or WM.
You could do that by doing pacman -Rsc pulseaudio .. but be extremely
careful with that command. It deletes everything recursively down
(cascading as man pacman puts it).
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 4:27 AM, Ionut Biru wrote:
> On 12/23/2011 11:25 AM, Ralf Madorf wrote:
> > On Fri, 2011-12-23 at 11:
On 12/23/2011 11:25 AM, Ralf Madorf wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-12-23 at 11:17 +0200, Ionut Biru wrote:
>> can you clarify that you are talking about pulseaudio and not about
>> libpulse?
>
> # pacman -Rss pulseaudio
> checking dependencies...
> error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy de
I believe you have to remove each package that pulseaudio depends on. You
can reinstall them after.
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 4:25 AM, Ralf Madorf wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-12-23 at 11:17 +0200, Ionut Biru wrote:
> > can you clarify that you are talking about pulseaudio and not about
> > libpulse?
>
>
On Fri, 2011-12-23 at 11:17 +0200, Ionut Biru wrote:
> can you clarify that you are talking about pulseaudio and not about
> libpulse?
# pacman -Rss pulseaudio
checking dependencies...
error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
:: gnome-settings-daemon: requires pulseaud
On 12/23/2011 10:41 AM, Ralf Madorf wrote:
> Hi :)
>
> people told me that Arch Linux will not force me to install PA. Today I
> continued to set up my Arch Linux. A cold still hinder me to work very
> long on my computer, so until now Google didn't help me to find an easy
> solution to get rid of
Hi :)
people told me that Arch Linux will not force me to install PA. Today I
continued to set up my Arch Linux. A cold still hinder me to work very
long on my computer, so until now Google didn't help me to find an easy
solution to get rid of PA. Arch Linux on my machine does force me to
install
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