On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Felipe Contreras
wrote:
> I don't have that machine available at the moment, but I don't see how
> such an issue could have been fixed given the lack of interest from
> Lennart in that G+ post.
Without the insults, this would have been picked up on and sorted out
On 15/08/12 at 08:38am, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 4:40 AM, Jason Ryan wrote:
> > On 15/08/12 at 04:01am, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> >> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 3:51 AM, Jason Ryan wrote:
> >> > On 15/08/12 at 03:35am, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> >>
> >> >> I just became aware
[2012-08-14 16:19:18 +0200] Ralf Mardorf:
> Regarding to this discussion I don't like his opinion.
You call this a discussion when all you've been doing is post useless
oneliners and decide whether or not you like other's opinions?
Please do everyone a big favor next time you are about to send yo
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Felipe Contreras
> wrote:
>> I don't have that machine available at the moment, but I don't see how
>> such an issue could have been fixed given the lack of interest from
>> Lennart in that G+ post.
>
> Witho
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Felipe Contreras
wrote:
>>> Well, I see absolutely no evidence of such an analysis, so consider me
>>> a skeptic.
>>
>> That's ok. We are not in the PR business, we are not selling anything.
>
> You are selling a distribution.
We are? Damn. Where is my cut. Allan!
2012/8/15 Felipe Contreras :
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Felipe Contreras
>> wrote:
>>> I don't have that machine available at the moment, but I don't see how
>>> such an issue could have been fixed given the lack of interest from
>>
[2012-08-15 03:35:15 +0200] Felipe Contreras:
> it became clear I was on my own
Isn't life tough?
And seriously, who do you think gives a damn about platitudes like
> If you have a problem you will not be able to open a script and figure
> out what is happening, and perhaps modify it, and debug
Hi,
Just when I thought I'd solved the systemd issues, it seems broken
again, coming back from a power outage. As near as I can tell--and
please understand I've never seen behavior quite like this before, so
conjecture might be the better term--my virtual terminals aren't
coming up at least in a r
Am 15.08.2012 03:30, schrieb Michael Nawrocki:
> I'm trying to get my laptop backlight keys (fn+f6/f7) to adjust the
> brightness of my toshiba laptop backlight.
I am curious. With 3.3 and earlier, my keys used to adjust brightness on
their own. Since 3.4, they don't, and only work in KDE, but not
On Tuesday 14 Aug 2012 18:00:25 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Btw. my Arch Linux is absolutely stable, excepted of one change. I
> tested Network Manager, this software is not that good. However, IIUC
> switching back to netcfg which always was stable on my machine might
> cause issues, when not using syst
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:39 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Felipe Contreras
> wrote:
Well, I see absolutely no evidence of such an analysis, so consider me
a skeptic.
>>>
>>> That's ok. We are not in the PR business, we are not selling anything.
>>
>> You a
> I'd love to see the overall advantages and disadvantages of each of
> those fleshed out on a page where I can read them
Here's one part
A good design would make the init process which is always running and
everyone must run.
1./ Be a small simple binary
2./ Have no dependencies
3./ Be easy t
> > So I think Arch Linux will probably hit issues, and you think it's FUD
> > to say "hey Arch Linux, I think you might hit issues"?
> >
> You have “issues”. Your thread title, your baseless extrapolation of your own
> experience to all of Arch are classic FUD.[0]
If you look in a dictionary o
> I tried systemd a while ago in a brand new machine with Arch Linux and
> the boot was *much slower*
It can be slower on embedded too, the reason is suspected to be maxing
out a cheap processor. We are talking about instant on here which is
only an issue if systemd becomes a requirement which it
> If there's a developer anywhere that agrees with you, and I expect there will
> be at some point, udev will be forked, or something else will be developed to
> rival systemd. Right now, that's not even necessary.
Little need but may well be.
http://blog.stuart.shelton.me/archives/891
--
___
> SO! truth is the commercial fedoras/redhats and ubuntus out there are
> all a vibrant part of this process,
True
> and they WILL supply/shoulder the
> bulk of development.
Wrong, there have been more commits from independents in the Linux tree
in the last decade atleast.
--
> Have you looked at qmail lately?
What do you mean. Qmail is one of the best mailers out there. You do
need patches and in fact some huge patches bring it up to speed in one
go?
--
___
'Write programs that do one thing and do
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
>> I'd love to see the overall advantages and disadvantages of each of
>> those fleshed out on a page where I can read them
>
> Here's one part
>
> A good design would make the init process which is always running and
> everyone must run.
>
>
On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 05:09:29 -0500
C Anthony Risinger wrote:
> it's interesting to me how so many can believe that
> OSS/distros/etc/etc are really driven and decided by the whimsical
> desires of the complete, mob-like user base.
All points taken, and, for my own part, I do not complain about
[2012-08-15 12:27:33 +0200] Felipe Contreras:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Kevin Chadwick
> wrote:
> > 4./ be as fast as possible
> >
> > systemd meets 4.
>
> I agree in general, but systemd doesn't meet #4; we are supposed to
> believe that's the case, but does it really?
Are you trying
Aurko Roy [2012.08.15 1140 +0530]:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 7:00 AM, Michael Nawrocki wrote:
>
> > Hey everyone,
> >
> > I'm trying to get my laptop backlight keys (fn+f6/f7) to adjust the
> > brightness of my toshiba laptop backlight. Previously, I had entered the
> > following in my /etc/acpi/h
Am 15.08.2012 11:21, schrieb Kevin Chadwick:
>> I'd love to see the overall advantages and disadvantages of each of
>> those fleshed out on a page where I can read them
>
> Here's one part
>
> A good design would make the init process which is always running and
> everyone must run.
>
> 1./ Be a
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:01 PM, Gaetan Bisson wrote:
> [2012-08-15 12:27:33 +0200] Felipe Contreras:
>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Kevin Chadwick
>> wrote:
>> > 4./ be as fast as possible
>> >
>> > systemd meets 4.
>>
>> I agree in general, but systemd doesn't meet #4; we are supposed to
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Thomas Bächler wrote:
> Am 15.08.2012 11:21, schrieb Kevin Chadwick:
>>> I'd love to see the overall advantages and disadvantages of each of
>>> those fleshed out on a page where I can read them
>>
>> Here's one part
>>
>> A good design would make the init process
On 08/14/2012 08:53 PM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:55 AM, David Benfell
wrote:
Does systemd not use the standard
mount program and follow /etc/fstab?
It does. Though it does not use "mount -a", but rather mounts each fs
se
First of all I 'm new user of these distribution list and I do not know
if this is the correct place to post my problem and ask for help. If not
my apology and please refer me to to the correct place.
I' m using Arch now for several years on a desktop and a laptob without
severe problems.
Few
Am 15.08.2012 13:34, schrieb Felipe Contreras:
>>> 1./ Be a small simple binary
>>
>> The systemd main binary is not very large (larger than sysvinit's
>> /sbin/init, but not by much).
>
> But that binary alone is useless, and certainly not *simple*.
/sbin/init from sysvinit alone is useless. Wha
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 12:09 PM, C Anthony Risinger wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:39 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Felipe Contreras
>> wrote:
> Well, I see absolutely no evidence of such an analysis, so consider me
> a skeptic.
That's ok. We
On 08/15/2012 03:39 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Felipe Contreras
wrote:
Well, I see absolutely no evidence of such an analysis, so consider me
a skeptic.
That's ok. We are not in the PR business, we are not selling anything.
You are selling a distribution.
We ar
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Thomas Bächler wrote:
> Am 15.08.2012 13:34, schrieb Felipe Contreras:
1./ Be a small simple binary
>>>
>>> The systemd main binary is not very large (larger than sysvinit's
>>> /sbin/init, but not by much).
>>
>> But that binary alone is useless, and certainl
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:55 AM, Leon Feng wrote:
> 2012/8/15 Felipe Contreras :
>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
>>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Felipe Contreras
>>> wrote:
I don't have that machine available at the moment, but I don't see how
such an issu
> > /sbin/init from sysvinit alone is useless. What is your point?
>
> The rest are rather simple scripts (in the case of Arch Linux).
>
> And you are still ignoring the fact that systemd is anything but
> *simple*. How convenient to ignore that argument.
Those "simple scripts" are written in a
Am 15.08.2012 14:01, schrieb Felipe Contreras:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Thomas Bächler wrote:
>> Am 15.08.2012 13:34, schrieb Felipe Contreras:
> 1./ Be a small simple binary
The systemd main binary is not very large (larger than sysvinit's
/sbin/init, but not by much)
On 2012/8/15 Felipe Contreras wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Thomas Bächler wrote:
>> Am 15.08.2012 13:34, schrieb Felipe Contreras:
> 1./ Be a small simple binary
The systemd main binary is not very large (larger than sysvinit's
/sbin/init, but not by much).
>>>
>>>
[2012-08-15 13:31:10 +0200] Felipe Contreras:
> If you are making the claim that systemd is
> faster, you should have clear undeniable evidence at hand, where is
> it?
Everywhere:
https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=systemd+boot+time
Stop looking at your belly button for a minute and p
[2012-08-15 14:01:16 +0200] Felipe Contreras:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Thomas Bächler wrote:
> > Am 15.08.2012 13:34, schrieb Felipe Contreras:
> >> No. The "services" (in systemd lingo) should be in an interpreted
> >> language: e.g. shell.
> >
> > Why should they be? As far as I unders
[2012-08-15 13:56:22 +0200] Felipe Contreras:
> The biggest thing any program can do is not the technical details
> of the program itself; it’s how useful the program is to users.
> So any time any program (like the kernel or any other project),
> breaks the user experience, to me, that’s t
On Wednesday 15 Aug 2012 02:13:26 Tom Gundersen wrote:
> Quote from IRC today:
>
> #systemd: mezcalero » falconindy: ah, arch switches for good?
> #systemd: mezcalero » falconindy: that's great news
> #systemd: mezcalero » falconindy: if you need any upstream support for
> this, just ping
>
> (wh
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Gaetan Bisson wrote:
> [2012-08-15 13:31:10 +0200] Felipe Contreras:
>> If you are making the claim that systemd is
>> faster, you should have clear undeniable evidence at hand, where is
>> it?
>
> Everywhere:
>
> https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=syste
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:26 PM, Gaetan Bisson wrote:
> [2012-08-15 14:01:16 +0200] Felipe Contreras:
>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Thomas Bächler wrote:
>> > Am 15.08.2012 13:34, schrieb Felipe Contreras:
>> >> No. The "services" (in systemd lingo) should be in an interpreted
>> >> languag
>>> Thunar doesn't use LC_COLLATE, it has its own sorting algorithms, which
>>> had some bugs with Latin characters in the past. So this is an upstream
>>> issue which should be reported to the Thunar devs.
>>
>> I wrote about it in thunar mailing list. Nobody replied.
>>
> They are so lame :( Any
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Rémy Oudompheng
wrote:
> On 2012/8/15 Felipe Contreras wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Thomas Bächler wrote:
>>> Am 15.08.2012 13:34, schrieb Felipe Contreras:
>> 1./ Be a small simple binary
>
> The systemd main binary is not very large (l
I could not fix the systems as I could not get
> a "recovery" bash prompt. I had to use a boot live CD to edit the fstab
> and then all was well. On all my sysvinit systems a bad mount point
> would just give me an error and continue booting.
Wouldn't it have been easier to just start with init=/
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Thomas Bächler wrote:
> Am 15.08.2012 14:01, schrieb Felipe Contreras:
>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Thomas Bächler wrote:
>>> Am 15.08.2012 13:34, schrieb Felipe Contreras:
>> 1./ Be a small simple binary
>
> The systemd main binary is not very
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Felipe Contreras <
felipe.contre...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Rémy Oudompheng
> wrote:
> > On 2012/8/15 Felipe Contreras wrote:
> >> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Thomas Bächler
> wrote:
> >>> Am 15.08.2012 13:34, schrieb Felipe Con
On 08/15/2012 09:30 AM, Christoph Vigano wrote:
I could not fix the systems as I could not get
a "recovery" bash prompt. I had to use a boot live CD to edit the fstab
and then all was well. On all my sysvinit systems a bad mount point
would just give me an error and continue booting.
Wouldn't
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Brandon Watkins wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Felipe Contreras <
> felipe.contre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Rémy Oudompheng
>> wrote:
>> > On 2012/8/15 Felipe Contreras wrote:
>> >> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Thom
On Aug 15, 2012 3:32 PM, "Felipe Contreras"
wrote:
>
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Thomas Bächler
wrote:
> > Am 15.08.2012 14:01, schrieb Felipe Contreras:
> >> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Thomas Bächler
wrote:
> >>> Am 15.08.2012 13:34, schrieb Felipe Contreras:
> >> 1./ Be a smal
On Aug 15, 2012 3:32 PM, "Felipe Contreras"
wrote:
>
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Thomas Bächler
wrote:
> > Am 15.08.2012 14:01, schrieb Felipe Contreras:
> >> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Thomas Bächler
wrote:
> >>> Am 15.08.2012 13:34, schrieb Felipe Contreras:
> >> 1./ Be a smal
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:28 PM, Gaetan Bisson wrote:
> [2012-08-15 13:56:22 +0200] Felipe Contreras:
>> The biggest thing any program can do is not the technical details
>> of the program itself; it’s how useful the program is to users.
>> So any time any program (like the kernel or any o
Am 15.08.2012 15:31, schrieb Felipe Contreras:
>> What argument? You _claim_ that it isn't simple, but you do not give any
>> proof for that claim.
>
> It is general knowledge that scripting languages are generally simpler
> than compiling languages.
Here I wanted to stop discussing with you, but
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 01:50:01PM +0200, Fred Verschueren wrote:
> My problem:
> When booting with init=/bin/systemd I have the following phenomenon:
>
> Job dev-mapper-nvidia_cjjcaiiep1.device/start timed out and booting
> stops and I'm in a rescue shell.
> my /home partition is not mounted.
>
On Wednesday 15 Aug 2012 11:02:03 Thomas Bächler wrote:
> I am curious. With 3.3 and earlier, my keys used to adjust brightness
> on their own. Since 3.4, they don't, and only work in KDE, but not on
> the console.
>
> Was it a deliberate kernel change that the brightness keys have no
> effect?
T
On Aug 15, 2012 1:56 PM, "Felipe Contreras"
wrote:
> The biggest thing any program can do is not the technical details
> of the program itself; it’s how useful the program is to users.
> So any time any program (like the kernel or any other project),
> breaks the user experience, to me, th
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
> On Aug 15, 2012 1:56 PM, "Felipe Contreras"
> wrote:
>> The biggest thing any program can do is not the technical details
>> of the program itself; it’s how useful the program is to users.
>> So any time any program (like the kernel
> I already found another feature in
> systemd that people always wanted for initscripts, but was too hard to
> implement,
After posting so much pointless and wrong text aside from systemd can
do some things a little quicker which we all know. Why haven't you told
us this feature which would be wo
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 6:38 AM, Baho Utot wrote:
> On 08/14/2012 08:53 PM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:55 AM, David Benfell
>>> wrote:
Does systemd not use the standard
mount program and follow /et
[2012-08-15 15:03:21 +0200] Felipe Contreras:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Gaetan Bisson wrote:
> > Everywhere:
> >
> > https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=systemd+boot+time
>
> You call that evidence? Did you even click on that link? Most of those
> results are of "fast" boot tim
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Norbert Zeh wrote:
>
> You can achieve the same by adding the instructions to write to
> /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness to an appropriate file in
> tmpfiles.d.
> Read the section on temporary files in the systemd page on the archwiki.
>
> Cheers,
> No
[2012-08-15 15:08:21 +0200] Felipe Contreras:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:26 PM, Gaetan Bisson wrote:
> > [2012-08-15 14:01:16 +0200] Felipe Contreras:
> >> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Thomas Bächler
> >> wrote:
> >> > Am 15.08.2012 13:34, schrieb Felipe Contreras:
> >> >> No. The "services
Am 15.08.2012 16:47, schrieb Kevin Chadwick:
>> I already found another feature in
>> systemd that people always wanted for initscripts, but was too hard to
>> implement,
>
> After posting so much pointless and wrong text aside from systemd can
> do some things a little quicker which we all know.
Hello all,
Does anyone know why both /etc/timezone and /etc/localtime are required for
systemd? It looks like duplicated data. Also, "man 5 timezone" seems to flash
something for a split second and close, which is also rather strange...
Paul
> Am 15.08.2012 11:21, schrieb Kevin Chadwick:
> >> I'd love to see the overall advantages and disadvantages of each of
> >> those fleshed out on a page where I can read them
> >
> > Here's one part
> >
> > A good design would make the init process which is always running and
> > everyone must ru
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:48 PM, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> Does anyone know why both /etc/timezone and /etc/localtime are required for
> systemd? It looks like duplicated data. Also, "man 5 timezone" seems to
> flash
> something for a split second and close, which is also rather s
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Paul Gideon Dann wrote:
> Does anyone know why both /etc/timezone and /etc/localtime are required for
> systemd? It looks like duplicated data. Also, "man 5 timezone" seems to
> flash
> something for a split second and close, which is also rather strange...
It
> though they may very well just keep chugging on,
> pretending all is well.
Very last post on systemd as you've said this before and I chose not to
respond.
No, they will throw a decriptive or general error and do what the script
author intended which could be sub routines, traps which could be
On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 20:49:22 -0400
Manolo Martínez wrote:
> On 08/15/12 at 12:25am, John K Pate wrote:
> > On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 19:13:33 -0400
> > Manolo Martínez wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > If I'm not wrong, systemd makes consolekit superfluous. This is what I
> > > thought it took for
On 2012/8/15 Kevin Chadwick wrote:
>> Am 15.08.2012 11:21, schrieb Kevin Chadwick:
>> > 1./ Be a small simple binary
>>
>> The systemd main binary is not very large (larger than sysvinit's
>> /sbin/init, but not by much).
>>
>
> Just 26 times as large and who knows how many times more complicated.
> Does anyone know why both /etc/timezone and /etc/localtime are required
> for
> systemd? It looks like duplicated data. Also, "man 5 timezone" seems
> to flash
> something for a split second and close, which is also rather strange...
/etc/timezone is not needed really. I just created symlink
(
On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 12:27:33 +0200
Felipe Contreras wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Kevin Chadwick
> wrote:
> >> I'd love to see the overall advantages and disadvantages of each of
> >> those fleshed out on a page where I can read them
> >
> > Here's one part
> >
> > A good design wou
On 15 August 2012 21:31, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> I just subscribed to this list, and 80% of the traffic I'm seeing is
> problems with systemd. That should tell you something; systemd has
> problems.
Felipe, I understand where you're coming from, and I can feel you.
But, the fact remains that yo
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
>> though they may very well just keep chugging on,
>> pretending all is well.
>
> Very last post on systemd as you've said this before and I chose not to
> respond.
>
> No, they will throw a decriptive or general error and do what the scrip
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Rashif Ray Rahman wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> Please think of systemd as the freedesktop.org specs for desktop files
> or graphical interoperability between distributions (X11, d-bus). It
> is a new 'upstream' that we can rely on for running our GNU/Linux
> systems. It s
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Mikael Eriksson
wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 01:50:01PM +0200, Fred Verschueren wrote:
>> My problem:
>> When booting with init=/bin/systemd I have the following phenomenon:
>>
>> Job dev-mapper-nvidia_cjjcaiiep1.device/start timed out and booting
>> stops and
> Forking processes does not copy binaries.
>
Pulled out of silence for the very very last time.
It copies the parent which is much larger is what I meant. A real
problem for embedded where memory fragmentation matters to the point
that Google had code written just to handle it. The smaller the
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 3:39 AM, Felipe Contreras
wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 5:17 AM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
> wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:35 PM, Felipe Contreras
>> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm sure in due time systemd will be ready, and will have nice
>>> advantages, but I doubt
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 07:18:10PM -0700, David Benfell wrote:
> Have you looked at qmail lately?
Yup. Installed it just a couple weeks ago. Use it every day.
Pointed a coverity analysis at it the other week.
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:21:25AM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> Here's one part
>
> A good design would make the init process which is always running and
> everyone must run.
>
> 1./ Be a small simple binary
>
> 2./ Have no dependencies
>
> 3./ Be easy to follow, fix and lockdown, best fit be
On 08/15/2012 11:01 AM, C Anthony Risinger wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 6:38 AM, Baho Utot wrote:
On 08/14/2012 08:53 PM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 1:55 AM, David Benfell
wrote:
Does systemd not use the standard
mount p
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 6:25 PM, Rashif Ray Rahman wrote:
> On 15 August 2012 21:31, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>> I just subscribed to this list, and 80% of the traffic I'm seeing is
>> problems with systemd. That should tell you something; systemd has
>> problems.
>
> Felipe, I understand where yo
Hi guys,
As most devs have done already, I'm going to change my relationship
with arch-general. This probably does not matter to most of you, so
sorry for the noise. Then again, it might be a useful reminder about
how most devs interact with the list (or rather, how they do not).
My approach to a
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 6:53 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Stéphane Gaudreault
> wrote:
>> (1) and (2) could be done after the missing unit files rebuild is over. They
>> should probably be announced at the same time as I expect that some users
>> will prefer a fresh
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Leonid Isaev wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 12:27:33 +0200
> Felipe Contreras wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Kevin Chadwick
>> wrote:
>> >> I'd love to see the overall advantages and disadvantages of each of
>> >> those fleshed out on a page where I
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 5:40 PM, Rémy Oudompheng
wrote:
>> cgroups, dbus, ipv6, udev, kmod, pam, libcap
>
> These dependencies just enumerate basic system administration tools in
> the form of libraries. A boot procedure relying on shell scripts would
> have the same dependencies as commands, tha
> So, if you *already* know that there are problems, why not wait?
> What's wrong with waiting another year, and see if you don't see so
> many problems then? What's the hurry to break people's systems?
Fedora still has grub2-beta which breaks multi-boot installs (a
documented problem!). I'll just
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 5:05 PM, Gaetan Bisson wrote:
> [2012-08-15 15:03:21 +0200] Felipe Contreras:
>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:23 PM, Gaetan Bisson wrote:
>> > Everywhere:
>> >
>> > https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=systemd+boot+time
>>
>> You call that evidence? Did you even clic
On 08/15/2012 01:27 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
Hi guys,
As most devs have done already, I'm going to change my relationship
with arch-general. This probably does not matter to most of you, so
sorry for the noise. Then again, it might be a useful reminder about
how most devs interact with the list
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 6:53 PM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 3:39 AM, Felipe Contreras
> wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 5:17 AM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
>> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:35 PM, Felipe Contreras
>>> wrote:
Hi,
I'm sure in due
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 4:03 AM, David Benfell
wrote:
> Also
> when I log in, the password is visible.
The first place I would check for this would be your console
font/keymap config in /etc/vconsole.conf:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Systemd#Console_and_keymap
=-Jameson
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 4:16 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
> On Aug 15, 2012 1:56 PM, "Felipe Contreras"
> wrote:
>> The biggest thing any program can do is not the technical details
>> of the program itself; it’s how useful the program is to users.
>> So any time any program (like the kernel
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 10:57 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> As most devs have done already, I'm going to change my relationship
> with arch-general. This probably does not matter to most of you, so
> sorry for the noise. Then again, it might be a useful reminder about
> how most devs in
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Felipe Contreras
wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 6:53 PM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
> wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 3:39 AM, Felipe Contreras
>> wrote:
>>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 5:17 AM, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto
>>> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:35
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Felipe Contreras
wrote:
> Ad hominem fallacy.
I don't know if you're trying to show that you really know
argumentation topics by heart or just trying to make peopple dislike
you right away. That kind of snobish sance doesn't help you at all.
--
A: Because it obf
On Wed, 15 Aug 2012 13:47:10 -0400
Baho Utot wrote:
> Those that want to insult me (again you know who you are) go right
> ahead if it makes you feel good.
> Sorry I wont' see your insults.
>
> Good luck and Good nite
>
> Mabuhay
>
http://youtu.be/ey0wvGiAH9g
Not that I have ever insulted y
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Baho Utot wrote:
> On 08/15/2012 11:01 AM, C Anthony Risinger wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 6:38 AM, Baho Utot
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 08/14/2012 08:53 PM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote:
On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
>
> On Wed, A
On 16 August 2012 01:21, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> So, if you *already* know that there are problems, why not wait?
> What's wrong with waiting another year, and see if you don't see so
> many problems then? What's the hurry to break people's systems?
Felipe, we've been doing that all along. This
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On 08/15/2012 03:16 AM, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
>> Have you looked at qmail lately?
>
> What do you mean. Qmail is one of the best mailers out there. You
> do need patches and in fact some huge patches bring it up to speed
> in one go?
>
A few years ag
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On 08/15/2012 10:55 AM, Jameson wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 4:03 AM, David Benfell
> wrote:
>> Also when I log in, the password is visible.
>
> The first place I would check for this would be your console
> font/keymap config in /etc/vconsole.
On 15/08/2012 1:27 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
Hi guys,
As most devs have done already, I'm going to change my relationship
with arch-general. This probably does not matter to most of you, so
sorry for the noise. Then again, it might be a useful reminder about
how most devs interact with the list (
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On 08/15/2012 11:31 AM, David Benfell wrote:
> On 08/15/2012 10:55 AM, Jameson wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 4:03 AM, David Benfell
>> wrote:
>>> Also when I log in, the password is visible.
>
>> The first place I would check for this would be y
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