Re: [arin-ppml] FYI -- RIPE-605 Services to Legacy InternetResource Holders

2014-02-11 Thread John Curran
On Feb 11, 2014, at 5:29 PM, David Conrad wrote: > For some definition of a particular subset of the "ARIN community", it may be > true that accuracy of registration information is secondary to imposing > policy dictates. I suspect, however, that for the vast majority of actual > users of reg

Re: [arin-ppml] FYI -- RIPE-605 Services to Legacy InternetResource Holders

2014-02-11 Thread Owen DeLong
On Feb 11, 2014, at 4:29 PM, David Conrad wrote: > Owen, > > On Feb 11, 2014, at 5:12 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: >>> "The importance of maintaining accurate records in the RIPE database is >>> recognised as the NCC's principal task. " >>> (well, ok, they spelled recognized wrong :)) >> No, they s

Re: [arin-ppml] FYI -- RIPE-605 Services to Legacy InternetResource Holders

2014-02-11 Thread John Curran
On Feb 11, 2014, at 5:29 PM, David Conrad wrote: > > I'm curious: do you personally believe that accuracy of registration data is > secondary to imposing policy dictates? David - To be clear, the registration data is accurate, in that it reflects the party which has the rights to the address

Re: [arin-ppml] FYI -- RIPE-605 Services to Legacy InternetResource Holders

2014-02-11 Thread David Conrad
Owen, On Feb 11, 2014, at 5:12 PM, Owen DeLong wrote: >> "The importance of maintaining accurate records in the RIPE database is >> recognised as the NCC's principal task. " >> (well, ok, they spelled recognized wrong :)) > No, they spelled it the way the British do instead of the Americans. It

[arin-ppml] Circumvention and operational usefulness of the registry (was: Re FYI -- RIPE-605 Services to Legacy Internet Resource Holders)

2014-02-11 Thread John Curran
On Feb 11, 2014, at 5:12 PM, Owen DeLong mailto:o...@delong.com>> wrote: (drc) Needs testing, in and of itself, is not the issue. What is at issue is what ARIN does when a transfer occurs (and they have, do, and will occur) outside of "justified" need. As a _registry_, I believe ARIN's role (a

Re: [arin-ppml] FYI -- RIPE-605 Services to Legacy InternetResource Holders

2014-02-11 Thread Owen DeLong
> "The importance of maintaining accurate records in the RIPE database is > recognised as the NCC's principal task. " > > (well, ok, they spelled recognized wrong :)) No, they spelled it the way the British do instead of the Americans. This shouldn't be a surprise, given that Europe, in general

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-7: Section 4.4 Micro Allocation Conservation Update

2014-02-11 Thread William Herrin
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Heather Schiller wrote: > I am opposed to the policy because of this line " IXP's formed as non > profits will be considered end user organizations. All others will be > considered ISPs." > > This statement will impact the overwhelming majority of Critical > Infr

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-7: Section 4.4 Micro Allocation Conservation Update

2014-02-11 Thread Martin Hannigan
Support. I wrote what appears to be "the offending language" in order to clean up vague, unclear language already memorialized in the existing policy. To wit: "ISPs and other organizations receiving these micro-allocations will be charged under the ISP fee schedule, while end-users will be charge

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-7: Section 4.4 Micro Allocation Conservation Update

2014-02-11 Thread John Springer
Opposed as written. Agree with the following reasoning. I am OK with the 2 -> 3 change. John Springer On Tue, 11 Feb 2014, Heather Schiller wrote: I oppose the policy as written. I don't have an opinion on the 2 vs 3, though I see it as such a small change and given the total number of CI IX

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-7: Section 4.4 Micro Allocation Conservation Update

2014-02-11 Thread Heather Schiller
I oppose the policy as written. I don't have an opinion on the 2 vs 3, though I see it as such a small change and given the total number of CI IX assignments (66 over how many years?) it won't significantly change anything. I am opposed to the policy because of this line " IXP's formed as non pro

Re: [arin-ppml] FYI -- RIPE-605 Services to Legacy InternetResource Holders

2014-02-11 Thread David Conrad
Chris, On Feb 10, 2014, at 2:13 PM, Chris Grundemann wrote: > Also, the RIRs, and ARIN in particular, were not created to "promote the > Internet" necessarily (although I do find that a laudable cause) True. > - their primary purpose is to _support the Internet_ by acting as stewards of > the

Re: [arin-ppml] support for 2014-1 (out of region use)

2014-02-11 Thread Owen DeLong
On Feb 10, 2014, at 09:19 , Andrew Sullivan wrote: > On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 08:53:43AM -0800, Scott Leibrand wrote: > >> So are you in favor of or opposed to 2014-1 > > I'm opposed to it, because I just don't buy that it will actually > solve any problem. The existing policy neither forbids

Re: [arin-ppml] support for 2014-1 (out of region use)

2014-02-11 Thread Owen DeLong
On Feb 9, 2014, at 20:37 , William Herrin wrote: > On Sun, Feb 9, 2014 at 11:04 PM, Matthew Kaufman wrote: >> On 2/8/2014 6:19 AM, William Herrin wrote: >>> If we want to manage addresses this way, we should first endeavor to pass >>> a globally coordinated policy to the effect that multiregion