Re: [arin-ppml] Micro-allocation policy proposal draft

2014-09-30 Thread Martin Hannigan
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 7:12 PM, Bill Woodcock wrote: >> - increase the reserve pool to a /15 >> - increase the minimum allocation for an IXP to a /22 > > Quadrupling the allocation while doubling the pool halves the number of IXPs > served, and I think it would be unfortunate and short-sighted t

Re: [arin-ppml] Micro-allocation policy proposal draft

2014-09-30 Thread Owen DeLong
A more rational threshold for that measurement would be 248 or even 240 participants. Consider most IXPs have at least a couple of route servers (2 IPs) and likely need some numbers for the physical infrastructure of the IXP. Additionally, there are only 254 usable IP addresses in a /24, and ha

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-17: Change Utilization Requirements from last-allocation to total-aggregate

2014-09-30 Thread Owen DeLong
I would support option 3. Owen On Sep 30, 2014, at 11:06 , Leif Sawyer wrote: > Delaying implementation until further down the run-out line doesn't help orgs > with current needs. > > > I think that as the "spirit" of this is to help out the smaller organizations, > the argument could easily

Re: [arin-ppml] Micro-allocation policy proposal draft

2014-09-30 Thread David Farmer
On 9/30/14, 18:12 , Bill Woodcock wrote: - increase the reserve pool to a /15 - increase the minimum allocation for an IXP to a /22 Quadrupling the allocation while doubling the pool halves the number of IXPs served, and I think it would be unfortunate and short-sighted to let that happen. .

Re: [arin-ppml] Micro-allocation policy proposal draft

2014-09-30 Thread Scott Leibrand
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote: > Thanks. > > The discussion in the Open-IX community seems to support a CI change > related to IXPs in the following manners: > > - use sparse allocations for CI space > > Helps to avoid renumbering of growing CI. We will use the suggestion

Re: [arin-ppml] Micro-allocation policy proposal draft

2014-09-30 Thread Bill Woodcock
> - increase the reserve pool to a /15 > - increase the minimum allocation for an IXP to a /22 Quadrupling the allocation while doubling the pool halves the number of IXPs served, and I think it would be unfortunate and short-sighted to let that happen. To inject some facts into the debate: ht

Re: [arin-ppml] Micro-allocation policy proposal draft

2014-09-30 Thread Martin Hannigan
Thanks. The discussion in the Open-IX community seems to support a CI change related to IXPs in the following manners: - use sparse allocations for CI space Helps to avoid renumbering of growing CI. We will use the suggestions process for this. - increase the reserve pool to a /15 Appears to b

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-17: Change Utilization Requirements from last-allocation to total-aggregate

2014-09-30 Thread Leif Sawyer
Delaying implementation until further down the run-out line doesn't help orgs with current needs. I think that as the "spirit" of this is to help out the smaller organizations, the argument could easily be made that limiting this to orgs with < 18 isn't needlessly hurtful toward larger orgs.

Re: [arin-ppml] Queue depth report?

2014-09-30 Thread Mike Burns
The team review provides for serialization of requests which makes this possible, and hence it should continue even if one requestor has unmet need. Even after completion depletion, parties will want to know that they are being approved and placed on the list in the appropriate order. FYI,

Re: [arin-ppml] Queue depth report?

2014-09-30 Thread John Curran
On Sep 30, 2014, at 12:48 PM, Mike Burns wrote: > Hi John, > >>> Reading between the lines, I think this is about ARIN's max carrying rate >>> without schedule slippage. > >> We actually have been fairly creative (e.g. moving IPv6 and ASN > requests to additional resources to free up more time

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-17: Change Utilization Requirements from last-allocation to total-aggregate

2014-09-30 Thread Andrew Dul
Hello, The staff and legal assessment below noted some concerns regarding this policy. To alleviate some of these concerns we have thought about the following three changes to the draft policy. 1. Delay implementation of the policy, such that the free pool was small enough that a large organizat

Re: [arin-ppml] Queue depth report?

2014-09-30 Thread Mike Burns
Hi John, Reading between the lines, I think this is about ARIN's max carrying rate without schedule slippage. We actually have been fairly creative (e.g. moving IPv6 and ASN requests to additional resources to free up more time for IPv4 requests); there are other similar options if needed, s

Re: [arin-ppml] Queue depth report?

2014-09-30 Thread Leif Sawyer
If folks are (still) really interested in playing around with the Run-Out forecasting, I developed a set of scripts to automate this: https://github.com/akhepcat/ARIN-Runout You can play around with the polynomial functions to see what works best on the timescales that you're interested in. I

Re: [arin-ppml] Queue depth report?

2014-09-30 Thread John Curran
On Sep 30, 2014, at 11:56 AM, Bill Owens wrote: > On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 11:46:24AM -0400, Mike Burns wrote: >> Also we know that most allocation requests are for much larger >> blocks, thus we know that applicants will go away for at least three >> months between their meager allocations. > >

Re: [arin-ppml] Queue depth report?

2014-09-30 Thread John Curran
On Sep 30, 2014, at 11:46 AM, Mike Burns wrote: > Hi John, > > Thanks for the info. > I don't think Geoff is properly adjusting for ARIN's team review rate, which > is around 200 per month. Geoff's numbers are based allocation rate. > Reading between the lines, I think this is about ARIN's ma

Re: [arin-ppml] Queue depth report?

2014-09-30 Thread Bill Owens
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 11:46:24AM -0400, Mike Burns wrote: > Also we know that most allocation requests are for much larger > blocks, thus we know that applicants will go away for at least three > months between their meager allocations. Does the 4.1.8 policy of assigning only a single block for

Re: [arin-ppml] Queue depth report?

2014-09-30 Thread Mike Burns
Hi John, Thanks for the info. I don't think Geoff is properly adjusting for ARIN's team review rate, which is around 200 per month. Reading between the lines, I think this is about ARIN's max carrying rate without schedule slippage. Considering the nature of the remaining pool dregs, ARIN will

Re: [arin-ppml] Queue depth report?

2014-09-30 Thread John Curran
On Sep 30, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Matthew Kaufman wrote: > I've been watching Geoff's ARIN runout prediction slip out into the future, > and reading here about increased review leading to slower processing... Is > runout being delayed just because legitimate applications for space are > queuing up

[arin-ppml] Queue depth report?

2014-09-30 Thread Matthew Kaufman
I've been watching Geoff's ARIN runout prediction slip out into the future, and reading here about increased review leading to slower processing... Is runout being delayed just because legitimate applications for space are queuing up? Can we get a report on historical and current application que