Re: [arin-ppml] Revised - Draft Policy ARIN-2020-8: Clarify and Update 4.2.1.2 Annual Renewal Fee

2021-01-16 Thread John Curran
Fernando - Again, please do not make assertions regarding the structure and governance of ARIN without direct knowledge of their accuracy. Your statement below ("What I mentioned several times, is that the Board *can not* make rules for resources allocation which is a sole prerogative from th

Re: [arin-ppml] Revised - Draft Policy ARIN-2020-8: Clarify and Update 4.2.1.2 Annual Renewal Fee

2021-01-16 Thread Fernando Frediani
I am not exactly sure what are you trying to ensure here, but most of what you mentioned below is well known and not disputed. What I mentioned several times, is that the Board *can not* make rules for resources allocation which is a sole prerogative from this forum. Board may or may not adopt

Re: [arin-ppml] Revised - Draft Policy ARIN-2020-8: Clarify and Update 4.2.1.2 Annual Renewal Fee

2021-01-16 Thread Martin Hannigan
There is no argument here. Happy pandemic Saturday, all. -M< On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 9:15 PM John Curran wrote: > On 16 Jan 2021, at 8:37 PM, Fernando Frediani > wrote: > > > I am sure we are talking about the same thing David. > > The authority to establish the rules in which resources are

Re: [arin-ppml] Revised - Draft Policy ARIN-2020-8: Clarify and Update 4.2.1.2 Annual Renewal Fee

2021-01-16 Thread John Curran
On 16 Jan 2021, at 8:37 PM, Fernando Frediani mailto:fhfredi...@gmail.com>> wrote: I am sure we are talking about the same thing David. The authority to establish the rules in which resources are allocated and revoked is a prerogative from this forum (which includes members and non-members),

Re: [arin-ppml] Revised - Draft Policy ARIN-2020-8: Clarify and Update 4.2.1.2 Annual Renewal Fee

2021-01-16 Thread Fernando Frediani
I am sure we are talking about the same thing David. The authority to establish the rules in which resources are allocated and revoked is a prerogative from this forum (which includes members and non-members), as in any other RIR. The PDP guarantees the Board the ultimate authority to adopt a

Re: [arin-ppml] Revised - Draft Policy ARIN-2020-8: Clarify and Update 4.2.1.2 Annual Renewal Fee

2021-01-16 Thread David Farmer
No it doesn’t, that authority comes from the membership, not this policy forum. Yes, there is significant overlap between the two, but they are distinct groups. On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 18:23 Fernando Frediani wrote: > Hi David > > I am not against it has, but it does because the authority given

Re: [arin-ppml] Revised - Draft Policy ARIN-2020-8: Clarify and Update 4.2.1.2 Annual Renewal Fee

2021-01-16 Thread Fernando Frediani
Hi David I am not against it has, but it does because the authority given to them for that come from this forum (for the revocation part not the fee structure). 4.2.1.2 makes it very clear and doesn't go into any operational details and this proposal is willing to remove it. Fernando On 16/

Re: [arin-ppml] Revised - Draft Policy ARIN-2020-8: Clarify and Update 4.2.1.2 Annual Renewal Fee

2021-01-16 Thread David Farmer
The Board has the power to set fees, which includes at least the power to revoke resources for nonpayment. If it did not, the power to set fees would be meaningless. Thanks On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 5:29 PM Fernando Frediani wrote: > John, let's make it simple: The Board has no power to *make and

Re: [arin-ppml] Revised - Draft Policy ARIN-2020-8: Clarify and Update 4.2.1.2 Annual Renewal Fee

2021-01-16 Thread Fernando Frediani
John, let's make it simple: The Board has no power to *make and adopt policies* concerning resources allocation without passing in this forum. Look: make policies not just adopt them ! Yes we all understand it has the ultimate authority to adopt all ARIN's policies, but it *cannot make and ado

Re: [arin-ppml] Revised - Draft Policy ARIN-2020-8: Clarify and Update 4.2.1.2 Annual Renewal Fee

2021-01-16 Thread John Curran
On 16 Jan 2021, at 3:39 PM, Fernando Frediani mailto:fhfredi...@gmail.com>> wrote: Exactly John, that's why the Board of Trustees or equivalent body has to approve policies that advances from this forum, to make sure they are in line with the applicable law, operational impacts, etc. But the Bo

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2020-2: Grandfathering of Organizations Removed from Waitlist by Implementation of ARIN-2019-16

2021-01-16 Thread A N
Owen, IPv6 hesitation is very common in schools and even at many universities. Part of it is that with smaller staff, it's generally not risen up as a priority. (Sorry to be off topic.) On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 1:26 AM Owen DeLong wrote: > Unless you consider 10+ year old technology “new”, IPv6 d

Re: [arin-ppml] Revised - Draft Policy ARIN-2020-8: Clarify and Update 4.2.1.2 Annual Renewal Fee

2021-01-16 Thread Fernando Frediani
Exactly John, that's why the Board of Trustees or equivalent body has to approve policies that advances from this forum, to make sure they are in line with the applicable law, operational impacts, etc. But the Board has not power to make policies or define rules for allocation of revocation. M

Re: [arin-ppml] Revised - Draft Policy ARIN-2020-8: Clarify and Update 4.2.1.2 Annual Renewal Fee

2021-01-16 Thread John Curran
On 16 Jan 2021, at 10:35 AM, Fernando Frediani mailto:fhfredi...@gmail.com>> wrote: Hello Owen *Any* revocation must always be governed by this forum which is the only body who has power to define allocation policies and therefore revocation. RIRs don't have power for that, except on exception

Re: [arin-ppml] Revised - Draft Policy ARIN-2020-8: Clarify and Update 4.2.1.2 Annual Renewal Fee

2021-01-16 Thread Fernando Frediani
Hello Owen *Any* revocation must always be governed by this forum which is the only body who has power to define allocation policies and therefore revocation. RIRs don't have power for that, except on exceptional situations (section 10.1) which have to be confirmed by this forum. The RIR, base

[arin-ppml] Petition Successful for ARIN-2020-2

2021-01-16 Thread ARIN
The petition for Board of Trustees adoption consideration of "ARIN-2020-2: Reinstatement of Organizations Removed from Waitlist by Implementation of ARIN-2019-16" received the support of at least 25 people from 25 organizations within the allotted timeframe of five days. Per the Policy Devel