Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2022-9: Leasing Not Intended

2022-09-12 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
I don’t think there is such thing (formally speaking), and is not. Regards, Jordi @jordipalet El 12/9/22, 14:24, "Martin Hannigan" escribió: On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 08:02 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML wrote: Hi Martin, No, is not a global policy

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2022-9: Leasing Not Intended

2022-09-12 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
Hi Martin, No, is not a global policy, they are only meant for IANA-RIR matters. We just mention what is the actual situation in other RIRs, also because we have submitted similar policies, but as we all know, it may happen in one region and not in others. Regards, Jordi @jordipale

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2022-9: Leasing Not Intended

2022-09-12 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
Hi Marco, Small clarification from our side. We actually checked this with the policy officer around March-April-May 2022, if I recall correctly. What we got from that email exchange was that "leasing" is not defined, but also was not explicitly allowed neither disallowed as a valid justificati

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2021-7: Make Abuse Contact Useful

2021-10-28 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
may happen that many parts of the text are "enforceable" for you and not for me (or viceversa) ... but the fact is that we, as a community, are accepting that by consensus. El 28/10/21 9:48, "William Herrin" escribió: On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 12:23 AM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2021-7: Make Abuse Contact Useful

2021-10-28 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
/21 4:41, "William Herrin" escribió: On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 2:07 PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML wrote: > However, right now 2 above doesn’t exist and instead > if we keep using email but making a policy that enforces > a transition to X-ARF/RFC5965/RF

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2021-7: Make Abuse Contact Useful

2021-10-27 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
Yes, I did, but *only* in order to make sure that the status of the abuse-c polices is known in the list for what is worth on this discussion, because I assume that not everyone follows/contributes to the policies in the 5 RIRs as it is my case (probably just a very few folks). I think it is

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2021-7: Make Abuse Contact Useful

2021-10-27 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
> On Oct 27, 2021, at 09:40 , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML wrote: > > It doesn't work if emails aren't validated at least a couple of times per year. Meh… Doable, but expensive. > It doesn't work if the policy doesn't enforce that

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2021-7: Make Abuse Contact Useful

2021-10-27 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
interested in that effort. Regards, Jordi @jordipalet El 27/10/21 21:47, "Owen DeLong" escribió: On Oct 27, 2021, at 01:12 , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML wrote: Hi Owen, all, Responding in-line as [Jordi] I will once again urge you to get an MUA

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2021-7: Make Abuse Contact Useful

2021-10-27 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
It doesn't work if emails aren't validated at least a couple of times per year. It doesn't work if the policy doesn't enforce that the resource actually addresses the abuse cases. It doesn't work if the policy allows an auto-responder that enforces a form submission. Ideally, we, as a global c

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2021-7: Make Abuse Contact Useful

2021-10-27 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
Maybe I should review and resubmit my abuse-c proposal now that it is clear that at least in other 2 RIRs is being a success? https://www.arin.net/vault/policy/proposals/ARIN_prop_264_orig.html https://www.arin.net/vault/policy/proposals/2019_5.html Regards, Jordi @jordipalet El 27/10/2

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2021-7: Make Abuse Contact Useful

2021-10-27 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
Hi Owen, all, Responding in-line as [Jordi] Saludos, Jordi @jordipalet El 27/10/21 8:06, "Owen DeLong" escribió: On Oct 26, 2021, at 15:17 , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML wrote: Hi, Unless I misunderstood this proposal, I believe this is

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2021-7: Make Abuse Contact Useful

2021-10-26 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
ML en nombre de JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML" escribió: Hi, Unless I misunderstood this proposal, I believe this is the wrong way to go. Is this proposal suggesting that the abuse email must not be used anymore and instead a URL for abuse reports enforced? If you look at all the ot

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2021-7: Make Abuse Contact Useful

2021-10-26 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
Hi, Unless I misunderstood this proposal, I believe this is the wrong way to go. Is this proposal suggesting that the abuse email must not be used anymore and instead a URL for abuse reports enforced? If you look at all the other 4 RIRs, this is totally contrary to the practical experience. I

Re: [arin-ppml] Proposal - Remove Initial Small Assignment Requirements for IPv6

2021-09-13 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
Renumbering is possible, but you are missing in your list implications such as renumbering the DNS and making sure that the servers work with the old and the new addresses for some hours, interruptions in live session, etc., etc. Regards, Jordi @jordipalet El 13/9/21 19:44, "ARIN-

Re: [arin-ppml] Proposal - Remove Initial Small Assignment Requirements for IPv6

2021-09-13 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
Definitively any organization or even an individual user that want to have its own IPv6 PI must be able to get it. Anything that can promote ULA+NTPv6 (which by the way it is an experimental protocol, not to be used in production), is evil and for that, we better don’t waste our time to move

Re: [arin-ppml] Change of Use and ARIN (was: Re: AFRINIC And The Stability Of The Internet Number Registry System)

2021-09-07 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
My fault … For some reason yesterday night I was misreading from your email that the AC  is elected by community, not membership (which is what I recalled). El 8/9/21 1:45, "John Curran" escribió: On 7 Sep 2021, at 5:12 PM, arin-ppml wrote: I was also recalling that the AC was elect

Re: [arin-ppml] Change of Use and ARIN (was: Re: AFRINIC And The Stability Of The Internet Number Registry System)

2021-09-07 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
I was also recalling that the AC was elected by membership as well, and I just found that in the PDP: “To accomplish this goal, the PDP charges the member-elected ARIN Advisory Council (AC) as the primary facilitators of the policy development process with appropriate checks and balances on

Re: [arin-ppml] Change of Use and ARIN (was: Re: AFRINIC And The Stability Of The Internet Number Registry System)

2021-09-07 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
Unless I recall it incorrectly, they are elected by the *membership* not the *community*. There is a huge difference. In other regions, the chairs of the PDP are elected by the community. The board is still elected by the membership, but the board has nothing to say in regards to PDP/policy

Re: [arin-ppml] Inter-RIR transfer Policy reciprocity with Afrinic_Resource Transfer Policy proposal

2020-10-12 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
Hi Anthony, As said, I will be happy to support any proposal that works, and consequently withdraw mine, but there is still a nit that makes it incompatible with ARIN. I’ve already sent you a private email a few days ago on that detail. Regards, Jordi @jordipalet El 12/10/2

Re: [arin-ppml] Legacy number resources in the ARIN region (was: Re: Inter-RIR transfer Policy reciprocity with Afrinic_Resource Transfer Policy proposal)

2020-10-12 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
Hi Mike, No,  is not compatible, there is a nit in the text that precisely makes it against as John as confirmed. Nevertheless I only wanted to clarify the situation, I don’t think  this is a topic for a continued discussion in ARIN ppml. Regards, Jordi @jordipalet El 12/

Re: [arin-ppml] Inter-RIR transfer Policy reciprocity with Afrinic_Resource Transfer Policy proposal

2020-10-12 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
Let’s suppose every possible proposal author in every other RIR comes to the list to ask questions about compatibility … it will be a mess. I will understand that if the text of any policy in ARIN is not clear enough for any “reader” (including an author of a possible proposal in other region

Re: [arin-ppml] Inter-RIR transfer Policy reciprocity with Afrinic_Resource Transfer Policy proposal

2020-10-12 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
Hi all, The issue is a much bigger one … let me try to summarize. There are 3 different policy proposals for Inter-RIR transfers in AFRINIC, the older one is from myself. Other people decided to submit other proposals afterwards, when this one was already being discussed and being adapted

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2020-3: IPv6 Nano-allocations

2020-04-19 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
Hi Chris, I guess you missed this at the end of my previous email: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-palet-v6ops-rfc6177-bis-02. I need to update it! Regards, Jordi @jordipalet El 19/4/20 21:32, "ARIN-PPML en nombre de Chris Woodfield" escribió: I’ll admit to havin

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2020-3: IPv6 Nano-allocations

2020-04-19 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
LACNIC and AFRINIC have similar problems in the fee structure that doesn’t incentivize the right deployment of IPv6. I’ve already made proposals to the relevant boards to change that (it is not a matter of policies in those cases). Many management departments of ISPs make the numbers about th

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-2019-19 Require IPv6 before receiving Section 8 IPv4 Transfers

2020-01-20 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
And furthermore, he is not considering that *most* of the traffic today is from the caches (hosted by the ISPs) to the subscribers, so this is never passing via the IX. For example, a Netflix cache, got a copy (via IPv6) of film "A", but is being used by 10.000 subscribers in that ISP. The tota

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-19: Require IPv6 Before Receiving Section 8 IPv4 Transfers

2019-11-07 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
Hi Michel, I'm not sure if this is a love or a war declaration ... below ... El 7/11/19 4:08, "Michel Py" escribió: Jordi, I wanted to close the day on a positive note. > Jordi wrote : > I buy you a dinner if not, even in one of the Michelin restaurants in Madrid i

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-19: Require IPv6 Before Receiving Section 8 IPv4 Transfers

2019-11-07 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
Hi Michel, I said google and others. There are many similar stats (ISOC, APNIC, AKAMAI, Facebook, etc.), in fact, I think we are closer to 35% than 30%. Can you really believe is a coincidence that all them are measuring approximately the same figures? You're right in one thing: is 5-10% highe

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-19: Require IPv6 Before Receiving Section 8 IPv4 Transfers

2019-11-06 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
30% of *global* Internet traffic, measured by google, among others. If you read all the details you will understand that the measurements in IX, don't reflect average world traffic, especially when ISPs have their own caches from Google, Facebook, Netflix, Akamai+other CDNs etc., which represent

Re: [arin-ppml] LAST CALL: Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2019-15: ARIN-2019-15: Hijacking Authorization Not-intended

2019-11-06 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
Just in case ... support ! Regards, Jordi @jordipalet El 6/11/19 18:57, "ARIN-PPML en nombre de ARIN" escribió: The ARIN Advisory Council (AC) met on 1 November 2019 and decided to send the following Recommended Draft Policy to Last Call: ARIN-2019-15: Hijacking Authoriza

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-19: Require IPv6 Before Receiving Section 8 IPv4 Transfers

2019-11-06 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
Hi Michael, With all the respect, 30%+ global IPv6 traffic, I think somebody else should open the eyes! China already mandated it to the ISPs, even if we aren't able to measure it correctly (yet), you can guess that being a country with 1.4 billion inhabitants, this will, in just a couple of y

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-19: Require IPv6 Before Receiving Section 8 IPv4 Transfers

2019-11-06 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
I fully support this proposal. Sooner or later goverments will start protecting citizens against organizations that provide services not supporting IPv6. ASAP we start making that ourselves, by all possible means, much better than being regulated. I've only a comment. Replace migration working

arin-ppml@arin.net

2019-10-13 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
Same view here. Regards, Jordi @jordipalet El 13/10/19 9:39, "ARIN-PPML en nombre de Steven Ryerse via ARIN-PPML" escribió: +1 Sent from my iPhone On Oct 12, 2019, at 6:59 PM, William Herrin wrote:  On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 6:29 AM wrote: I agree. The only re

Re: [arin-ppml] Revised - Draft Policy ARIN-2019-15: Hijacking Authorization Not-intended

2019-07-22 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
And of course, I full agree with the proposed text. Regards, Jordi @jordipalet El 22/7/19 10:56, "ARIN-PPML en nombre de ARIN" escribió: The following has been revised: * Draft Policy ARIN-2019-15: Hijacking Authorization Not-intended Revised text is below and can be

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-15: Hijacking Authorization Not-intended

2019-07-22 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
Hi all, I’ve been too busy to take care of all my emails  … I think David and Scott captured very well my intent. The point was to clarify in the problem statement “why and when” this problem was generated. Regards, Jordi @jordipalet El 26/6/19 20:03, "ARIN-PPML en nombre d

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-10: Inter-RIR M&A - Seeking Community Comments

2019-07-17 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
Hi Jimmy, The cost of doing all that has been done already for IPv4 and by other RIRs. It is one-time development cost anyway (to adapt the changes to IPv6), so not a giant effort. And by the way, it has been done already to allow that working among RIPE and APNIC, and I believe there is plenty

Re: [arin-ppml] Revised/Retitled - Draft Policy ARIN-2019-5: Validation of POCs Referenced as Abuse Contacts

2019-07-17 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
ending an abuse report, and it can't be handled automatically, there is always someone to take care of it. Regards, Jordi @jordipalet El 16/7/19 23:58, "Steve Atkins" escribió: > On Jul 16, 2019, at 6:05 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML wrote: >

Re: [arin-ppml] Revised/Retitled - Draft Policy ARIN-2019-5: Validation of POCs Referenced as Abuse Contacts

2019-07-16 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
ng of those manual tickets is no longer in the company, and nobody realized to modify that contact. -Scott On Tue, Jul 16, 2019 at 10:05 AM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML wrote: Hi Scott, I guess there is some misunderstanding in that part of the text. May be “ultimately” is

Re: [arin-ppml] [Ext] Re: Draft Policy ARIN-2019-10: Inter-RIR M&A - Seeking Community Comments

2019-07-16 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
Actually I think there is something what we are missing in RIPE (copied Marco on this), that will be very useful. A web page as a kind of "ToC" with all the links to all policies, may be ordered thematically (for example). There is something close: https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-p

Re: [arin-ppml] Revised/Retitled - Draft Policy ARIN-2019-5: Validation of POCs Referenced as Abuse Contacts

2019-07-16 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
Hi Scott, I guess there is some misunderstanding in that part of the text. May be “ultimately” is not doing the intended “work”. The idea is “last resort”. The idea is not that messages are processed only by humans. If it can be automatically processed that’s fine and perfect. The goal is

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-10: Inter-RIR M&A - Seeking Community Comments

2019-07-15 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
Same as in IPv4. If course the difference is the size of the blocks received from IANA, but this is comparative to the order of magnitude difference between IPv4 and IPv6. Regards, Jordi @jordipalet El 16/7/19 5:18, "arin-ppml-boun...@arin.net en nombre de hostmas...@uneedus.com" escribi

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-12: M&A Legal Jurisdiction Exclusion

2019-07-15 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
Could someone willing to have resources form ARIN, create a company in US, subsidiary of a company in another RIR, justify the need, get the resources, close the US company, and following this policy keep the ARIN resources? I still think that ARIN-2019-10 (Inter-RIR M&A) makes more sense than t

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-10: Inter-RIR M&A - Seeking Community Comments

2019-07-15 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
e first place. Albert Erdmann Network Administrator Paradise On Line Inc. On Mon, 15 Jul 2019, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML wrote: > Hi Albert, > > I think you looked at the wrong RIPE documents. Unless I got it wrong, the right document

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-10: Inter-RIR M&A - Seeking Community Comments

2019-07-15 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
Hi Albert, I think you looked at the wrong RIPE documents. Unless I got it wrong, the right document is RIPE-682, and it clearly states that IPv6 can also be transferred (both intra and inter-RIR). I've a similar policy proposal in LACNIC and APNIC, and working as well for submitting in a few

Re: [arin-ppml] Board Rejects "ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation” Due to Scope

2019-07-13 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
Hi, I’ve the same self-contradictory feelings, if I can say that way, as David indicated. El 13/7/19 19:20, "ARIN-PPML en nombre de John Curran" escribió: On 13 Jul 2019, at 1:53 AM, David Farmer wrote: On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 12:14 PM John Curran wrote: The problem with th

Re: [arin-ppml] Board Rejects "ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation” Due to Scope

2019-07-11 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
as maligning Jordi's character. Nothing of the sort was intended. Amy On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 11:31 AM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML wrote: As I've said in my email, this is not about the proposal, it just reminded me that it has been 3 months, since the minutes where pu

Re: [arin-ppml] Board Rejects "ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation” Due to Scope

2019-07-11 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
not changed, but it should be publicly acknowledge that they contain false information and that should be somehow attached also to the published minutes. Regards, Jordi @jordipalet El 11/7/19 17:21, "Jimmy Hess" escribió: On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 9:03 AM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via

Re: [arin-ppml] Board Rejects "ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation” Due to Scope

2019-07-11 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
Hi all, and specially the AC (as I think a response is required), Reviewing this email, I just realized that the minutes of the 10th April 2019 minutes are still published as originally. There are two points that I've discussed in emails and in person with several AC members, which were clearly

Re: [arin-ppml] Squatting the argument against Prop-266 (Was: Solving the squatting problem)

2019-05-17 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
And just to confirm, the other co-author agrees on all this. Regards, Jordi El 17/5/19 10:06, "ARIN-PPML en nombre de Carlos Friaças via ARIN-PPML" escribió: On Fri, 17 May 2019, David Farmer wrote: > > On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 12:20 AM Michel Py wrote: >

[arin-ppml] exclusive use of resources - ARIN NRPM explicitly allows *hijacking* of address space

2019-05-06 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
Hi all, One of the aspects being discussed regarding prop-266 is if the use rights are exclusive or not. While re-reading the NRPM, working in v2 of the prop-266 and trying to understand all the different points of view from the list discussion, it looks to me that section 2.5 of the NRPM is s

Re: [arin-ppml] [EXT] Re: Open Petition for ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation

2019-05-02 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
Hi John, El 2/5/19 19:03, "John Curran" escribió: On 2 May 2019, at 12:38 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML wrote: In any members association, the association is legitimated to act against members that don’t follow the rules. It is not a matter of “police”,

Re: [arin-ppml] prop266 - re-framing the discussion

2019-05-02 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
Hi John, El 2/5/19 18:36, "John Curran" escribió: On 2 May 2019, at 11:48 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML wrote: As said before, I’m fine if the RIRs don’t want to take actions, but they must have clear rules (policy text) that allows the victims to claim by other

Re: [arin-ppml] [EXT] Re: Open Petition for ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation

2019-05-02 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
019 a la(s) 09:03, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML (arin-ppml@arin.net) escribió: El 2/5/19 15:50, "hostmas...@uneedus.com" escribió: On Thu, 2 May 2019, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML wrote: > Hi Albert, > > El 2/5/19 15:02, "arin-ppml

Re: [arin-ppml] prop266 - re-framing the discussion

2019-05-02 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
El 2/5/19 17:39, "ARIN-PPML en nombre de Nicolas Antoniello" escribió: ARIN (and so the other RIRs like LACNIC) are doing things to combat the problem more effectively, like fostering RPKI deployment and so... but police stuff remains (and I think it must remain) out of the scope of R

Re: [arin-ppml] [EXT] Re: Open Petition for ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation

2019-05-02 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
El 2/5/19 17:36, "ARIN-PPML en nombre de William Herrin" escribió: On Wed, May 1, 2019 at 11:50 PM Fernando Frediani wrote: Why people always believe they "own" IP address space and nobody can take it from them as if it was a router or a server purchased with a invoice and declared

Re: [arin-ppml] [EXT] Re: Open Petition for ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation

2019-05-02 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
o take actions in a much easier way, either by the RIR or by scaling it to courts if the RIR decides not acting against a “bad faith-acting member”. Regards, Nicolas El jue., 2 de may. de 2019 a la(s) 09:03, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML (arin-ppml@arin.net) escribió: 

Re: [arin-ppml] prop266 - re-framing the discussion

2019-05-02 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
El 2/5/19 17:16, "ARIN-PPML en nombre de Scott Leibrand" escribió: Do we have any evidence that 1) a significant fraction of BGP hijacking I will say that even if it solves a single case (going to the extreme), is good to have it. We often do policies that have a single case. We try

Re: [arin-ppml] [EXT] Re: Open Petition for ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation

2019-05-02 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
El 2/5/19 15:50, "hostmas...@uneedus.com" escribió: On Thu, 2 May 2019, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML wrote: > Hi Albert, > > El 2/5/19 15:02, "arin-ppml-boun...@arin.net en nombre de hostmas...@uneedus.com" escribió:

Re: [arin-ppml] [EXT] Re: Open Petition for ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation

2019-05-02 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
Hi Joe, El 2/5/19 15:11, "Joe Provo" escribió: [see Disclaimer] On Thu, May 02, 2019 at 12:30:38PM +0200, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML wrote: [snip] > So, you???re saying that if an ARIN member is *acting* against > the exclusive rights

Re: [arin-ppml] [EXT] Re: Open Petition for ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation

2019-05-02 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
Hi Albert, El 2/5/19 15:02, "arin-ppml-boun...@arin.net en nombre de hostmas...@uneedus.com" escribió: On Thu, 2 May 2019, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML wrote: >2. CONDITIONS OF SERVICE > >(1) The exclusive right to be the registrant of

Re: [arin-ppml] [EXT] Re: Open Petition for ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation

2019-05-02 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
Hi Owen, El 2/5/19 11:23, "Owen DeLong" escribió: Speaking only for myself... On May 2, 2019, at 00:55 , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML wrote: Hi Owen, I think that the comparison with a property is not good, so I'm top posting to make it simple. ARIN

Re: [arin-ppml] [EXT] Re: Open Petition for ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation

2019-05-02 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
Hi Owen, I think that the comparison with a property is not good, so I'm top posting to make it simple. ARIN is providing a registration service for unique and exclusive rights for resources, following a membership organization model. Let's take another similar "association membership model".

Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN-prop-266 Open Petition

2019-05-01 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
Hi Owen, I think my original message (https://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-ppml/2019-April/032896.html) clearly stated it, and despite the different wording used by different folks, everybody is supporting the same petition, as there is only one right now in the list. There is a further messa

Re: [arin-ppml] Open Petition for ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation

2019-04-29 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
support or nonsupport for the topic to allow others to follow discussions of interest more easily and make your position clear. <<<<< On Apr 29, 2019, at 2:28 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML wrote: Right, I was about to respond as well, but I think at this sta

Re: [arin-ppml] Open Petition for ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation

2019-04-29 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
Right, I was about to respond as well, but I think at this stage we should keep the discussion on the petition. All those details could be agreed once we have the proposal adopted for the discussion. In fact, we have a new version ready (v2, being published in RIPE soon) with have a lot of a

Re: [arin-ppml] [EXT] Re: Open Petition for ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation

2019-04-27 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
Hi Owen, El 27/4/19 9:40, "Owen DeLong" escribió: My text below is my own thoughts and not any official position from ARIN or the AC... On Apr 27, 2019, at 00:23 , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: Hi Owen, El 27/4/19 9:00, "Owen DeLong" escribió: Speaking only as a member of t

Re: [arin-ppml] Open Petition for ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation

2019-04-27 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
Hi Owen, I will be interesting to have figures about this in all the RIRs. How many are members, how many not, how many are clearly intentional vs fat fingers, etc. Somebody already replied with an example of a member hijacking ... and this is interesting, because you know the excuse I get ever

Re: [arin-ppml] Open Petition for ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation

2019-04-27 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
Hi Michael, El 27/4/19 1:12, "Michael Sinatra" escribió: On 2019-04-26 13:54, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML wrote: > Hi Owen, > > So, you believe that if an ARIN member is repeatedly misusing the resources from another member, is just fine and the AR

Re: [arin-ppml] [EXT] Re: Open Petition for ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation

2019-04-27 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
ot;representative" system for the community). I hope this is helpful information. Owen > On Apr 26, 2019, at 23:44 , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML wrote: > > Hi Michel, > > This proposal is being discussed already in RIPE a

Re: [arin-ppml] [EXT] Re: Open Petition for ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation

2019-04-26 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
Hi Michel, This proposal is being discussed already in RIPE and LACNIC and we are working in the relevant changes for versions to be submitted in AFRINIC and APNIC. As I understand the petition process is not for the proposal merits, but just to be able to follow the process with it, so it can

Re: [arin-ppml] Open Petition for ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation

2019-04-26 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
Hi Owen, So, you believe that if an ARIN member is repeatedly misusing the resources from another member, is just fine and the ARIN membership which rules are the policies, should not care about this behavior and members should not get their exclusive rights to use their allocated resources pro

[arin-ppml] Discussion Petition (Proposal has not been accepted as a Draft Policy)

2019-04-26 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
Hi all, The AC should have already accepted “ARIN-prop-266: BGP Hijacking is an ARIN Policy Violation” as a Draft Policy. The authors petition to move the proposal text forward for discussion on the list and at the next Public Policy Meeting. Please support moving this proposal forward now by

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-4: Allow Inter-regional IPv6 Resource Transfers

2019-04-04 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
ansfers should be limited to PI space and it should not be permitted in PA space since that leads us down the road to much fragmented routing tables. Albert Erdmann Network Administrator Paradise On Line Inc. On Wed, 3 Apr 2019, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML wr

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-4: Allow Inter-regional IPv6 Resource Transfers

2019-04-04 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
I agree with Jay (or at least is my reading from the proposal), Job can probably confirm. It is true that my example is easier to explain for an M&A case but not only that case is being covered by the proposal. Regards, Jordi El 4/4/19 22:29, "ARIN-PPML en nombre de Jay Borkenhagen" esc

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-5: Validation of Abuse-mailbox

2019-04-03 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
that governments prefer to issue billion euros fines to tech giants who are called BAADD by The Economist than to moralize those I call GGM21C - the Great Global Mafia of the 21st Century. Marilson Em qua, 27 de mar de 2019 às 05:41, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML escreveu:

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-4: Allow Inter-regional IPv6 Resource Transfers

2019-04-03 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
Hi Owen, El 27/3/19 18:04, "Owen DeLong" escribió: > On Mar 27, 2019, at 09:41 , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML wrote: > > Hi Owen, > > Just found a couple of examples that I was sure I've read recently. > >

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-4: Allow Inter-regional IPv6 Resource Transfers

2019-04-03 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
I guess people that suffered big networks M&A or similar situations, know very well, how terrible are this type of situations, and how they want to avoid at all means renumbering. We also need to remember that smaller networks have also equivalent problems, they have less devices to renumber, b

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-4: Allow Inter-regional IPv6 Resource Transfers

2019-04-03 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
Sorry the late answer been extremely busy for a few days and had big email backlog. El 27/3/19 23:12, "arin-ppml-boun...@arin.net en nombre de hostmas...@uneedus.com" escribió: On Tue, 26 Mar 2019, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML wrote: > > El 26/3/19 2

Re: [arin-ppml] Revised - Draft Policy ARIN-2018-5: Disallow Third-party Organization Record Creation

2019-04-03 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
Hi Guy, all, Because I see my name here, I’m just guessing that your opinion is not about this policy proposal (2018-5), as per the subject, but about ARIN-2019-4: Allow Inter-regional IPv6 Resource Transfers ? I think is important to clarify for the PDP decision process. Regards, Jord

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-4: Allow Inter-regional IPv6 Resource Transfers

2019-03-27 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
se for IPv6 in any RIR. Owen > On Mar 27, 2019, at 07:15 , JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML wrote: > > In some RIRs, the policies only allow you to use the addresses (or most of them), in that region. > > Regards, > Jordi >

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-4: Allow Inter-regional IPv6 Resource Transfers

2019-03-27 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
In some RIRs, the policies only allow you to use the addresses (or most of them), in that region. Regards, Jordi El 27/3/19 13:38, "ARIN-PPML en nombre de Roberts, Orin" escribió: Opposed - the simple view. Why is the need for an IPv6 "Inter-regional" policy justifiable?

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-5: Validation of Abuse-mailbox

2019-03-27 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
Hi Marilson, El 27/3/19 1:34, "ARIN-PPML en nombre de Marilson Mapa" escribió: If the current policy, “3.6. Annual Validation of ARIN’s Public Whois Point of Contact Data” does not provide sufficient validation of the actual availability of the abuse mailbox, a standard abuse-c/abuse-ma

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-4: Allow Inter-regional IPv6 Resource Transfers

2019-03-27 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
ment as well? Thanks. On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 4:46 PM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML wrote: In favor of the proposal. My point of view is on the other way around. This policy is needed, because if there is a company under an M&A or reorganization, it seems clear that then it is

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-4: Allow Inter-regional IPv6 Resource Transfers

2019-03-26 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
El 26/3/19 23:23, "arin-ppml-boun...@arin.net en nombre de hostmas...@uneedus.com" escribió: I am opposed. IPv6 policies have been designed from the beginning to limit the growth of the global routing tables. Policies such as sparse assignment help with this goal, as wel

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-4: Allow Inter-regional IPv6 Resource Transfers

2019-03-26 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
In favor of the proposal. My point of view is on the other way around. This policy is needed, because if there is a company under an M&A or reorganization, it seems clear that then it is transferred IPv4, IPv6, ASN. But there may be cases where is not entirely failing into that category. For e

Re: [arin-ppml] Revised/Retitled - Draft Policy ARIN-2018-4: Clarification on Temporary Sub-Assignments

2018-08-15 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
Exactly, that was one of the main reason for me to submit this proposal in all the RIRs, no NOT, means that something that was often happening in IPv4, will happen with every end-user assignment in IPv6, because most of them provide some kind of access to employees, visitors, etc. Regards, Jord

Re: [arin-ppml] Revised/Retitled - Draft Policy ARIN-2018-4: Clarification on Temporary Sub-Assignments

2018-08-14 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
Unless I’m missing anything (in other regions we have “sub-assignment”), I think it works for me. May be a way to shorten it is to use the proposed sentence, but after all the definitions: 2.5. Allocation, Assignment, Reallocation, Reassignment Allocation - Address space delegated

Re: [arin-ppml] Revised/Retitled - Draft Policy ARIN-2018-4: Clarification on Temporary Sub-Assignments

2018-08-13 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
I should have waited a few extra minutes before replying ... I'm ok with this new text wording. Thanks! Regards, Jordi -Mensaje original- De: ARIN-PPML en nombre de ARIN Fecha: lunes, 13 de agosto de 2018, 12:39 Para: Asunto: [arin-ppml] Revised/Retitled - Draft

Re: [arin-ppml] Revised - Draft Policy ARIN-2018-4: Clarification on IPv6 Sub-Assignments

2018-08-13 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
Hi all, I believe the new wording is sufficiently clear. Thanks for that! Regards, Jordi -Mensaje original- De: ARIN-PPML en nombre de ARIN Fecha: viernes, 10 de agosto de 2018, 13:48 Para: Asunto: [arin-ppml] Revised - Draft Policy ARIN-2018-4: Clarification on IPv6

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2018-4: Clarification on IPv6 Sub-Assignments

2018-05-11 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
connected, then you leave. This is temporary. Even if you’re there for several days (as in a hotel guest network), it’s still temporary in nature. Owen On May 10, 2018, at 8:29 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML wrote: I don’t think that will help, on the contrary … you can

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2018-4: Clarification on IPv6 Sub-Assignments

2018-05-10 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
I don’t think that will help, on the contrary … you can use both static or dynamic mechanism for both temporary and non-temporary assignments. What I think it was clear is the differentiation between a “permanent broadband service” and a temporary service (you come to your workplace and get