Re: [arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2021-8: Deprecation of the ‘Autonomous System Originations’ Field

On 1 Nov 2022, at 11:10 PM, Owen DeLong mailto:o...@delong.com>> wrote: On Nov 1, 2022, at 19:49, John Curran mailto:jcur...@arin.net>> wrote: You had the option to consolidate to a single billing relationship for all of the resources, but choose not to do so. I had one ORG-ID and one bill.

Re: [arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2021-8: Deprecation of the ‘Autonomous System Originations’ Field

> On Nov 1, 2022, at 19:49, John Curran wrote: > > >> On 1 Nov 2022, at 9:21 PM, Owen DeLong > > wrote: >> >>> On Nov 1, 2022, at 12:14, John Curran >> > wrote: >>> ... >>> Owen - >>> >>> That was your choice: you could have consolidated int

Re: [arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2021-8: Deprecation of the ‘Autonomous System Originations’ Field

On 1 Nov 2022, at 9:21 PM, Owen DeLong mailto:o...@delong.com>> wrote: On Nov 1, 2022, at 12:14, John Curran mailto:jcur...@arin.net>> wrote: ... Owen - That was your choice: you could have consolidated into a single billing relationship if you wished or opted (as you did) to maintain distin

Re: [arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2021-8: Deprecation of the ‘Autonomous System Originations’ Field

> On Nov 1, 2022, at 12:14, John Curran wrote: > > >> On 1 Nov 2022, at 3:03 PM, Owen DeLong > > wrote: >> >>> On Nov 1, 2022, at 05:07, John Curran >> > wrote: >>> >>> The “double-charging” that you allege was imposed by the ARIN Board of >>

Re: [arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2021-8: Deprecation of the ‘Autonomous System Originations’ Field

On 1 Nov 2022, at 3:03 PM, Owen DeLong mailto:o...@delong.com>> wrote: On Nov 1, 2022, at 05:07, John Curran mailto:jcur...@arin.net>> wrote: The “double-charging” that you allege was imposed by the ARIN Board of Trustees was actually self-imposed by you; i.e., you chose to maintain separate

Re: [arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2021-8: Deprecation of the ‘Autonomous System Originations’ Field

> On Nov 1, 2022, at 05:07, John Curran wrote: > > >> On 1 Nov 2022, at 12:31 AM, Owen DeLong via ARIN-PPML > > wrote: >> ... >> I’ve done it. It got me out of the fee hikes and double-charging that were >> imposed as a result of the ARIN board’s fee-asco long ago.

Re: [arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2021-8: Deprecation of the ‘Autonomous System Originations’ Field

On 1 Nov 2022, at 12:31 AM, Owen DeLong via ARIN-PPML mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net>> wrote: ... I’ve done it. It got me out of the fee hikes and double-charging that were imposed as a result of the ARIN board’s fee-asco long ago. Owen - The “double-charging” that you allege was imposed by the ARI

Re: [arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2021-8: Deprecation of the ‘Autonomous System Originations’ Field

> On Oct 31, 2022, at 20:13, David Farmer wrote: > > > On Mon, Oct 31, 2022 at 9:47 PM Owen DeLong > wrote: >> >> While it’s true that ARIN does not make the authenticated IRR or RPKI >> available to legacy holders without a contract, those that care >> to publish th

Re: [arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2021-8: Deprecation of the ‘Autonomous System Originations’ Field

On Mon, Oct 31, 2022 at 9:47 PM Owen DeLong wrote: > > While it’s true that ARIN does not make the authenticated IRR or RPKI > available to legacy holders without a contract, those that care > to publish the information are free to do any of the following: > + Transfer their legacy resources to R

Re: [arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2021-8: Deprecation of the ‘Autonomous System Originations’ Field

> The only question in my mind has been, what is the right timetable for > deprecating the ORIGIN-AS field? Currently, some legacy resource holders > don’t have access to ARIN’s authenticated IRR or to RPKI and only can use the > ORIGIN-AS field. However, with the recent changes to the RSA/LRSA

Re: [arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2021-8: Deprecation of the ‘Autonomous System Originations’ Field

On Mon, Oct 31, 2022 at 7:36 PM Owen DeLong via ARIN-PPML < arin-ppml@arin.net> wrote: > The data is largely missing. > What’s not missing is largely inaccurate. > > If anyone is relying on it for any purpose, that’s bad. > If we take away the bad data, then we can be sure that nobody is relying >

Re: [arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2021-8: Deprecation of the ‘Autonomous System Originations’ Field

The data is largely missing. What’s not missing is largely inaccurate. If anyone is relying on it for any purpose, that’s bad. If we take away the bad data, then we can be sure that nobody is relying upon it. That’s good. What am I missing? Owen > On Oct 31, 2022, at 17:21, Matt Erculiani wr

Re: [arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2021-8: Deprecation of the ‘Autonomous System Originations’ Field

Hi Owen, If what you say is true about this mostly being a cleanup operation, then my only question is...why? I don't see anything broken here, I just see the possibility of things breaking; that is what has me concerned. The fact is, we cannot know what the fallout will be until it happens. Ar

Re: [arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2021-8: Deprecation of the ‘Autonomous System Originations’ Field

> On Oct 31, 2022, at 15:03, Matt Erculiani wrote: > > I fully stand by my comments made in-person. I do not support this policy. > > I do not believe making this data harder to access particularly benefits > anyone. If this is a technical challenge that ARIN faces serving this data at > th

Re: [arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2021-8: Deprecation of the ‘Autonomous System Originations’ Field

I fully stand by my comments made in-person. I do not support this policy. I do not believe making this data harder to access particularly benefits anyone. If this is a technical challenge that ARIN faces serving this data at the volume it is requested, perhaps system augmentation is necessary to

[arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2021-8: Deprecation of the ‘Autonomous System Originations’ Field

On 21 October 2022, the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) advanced the following Draft Policy to Recommended Draft Policy status: * ARIN-2021-8: Deprecation of the ‘Autonomous System Originations’ Field The text of the Recommended Draft Policy is below, and may also be found at: https://www.a