Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17: Returned Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved Pool

On Tue, Aug 27, 2019 at 5:10 AM Owen DeLong wrote: > > > On Aug 26, 2019, at 18:09 , Martin Hannigan wrote: > > > > On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 5:10 PM Owen DeLong wrote: > >> Really, it seems to me that this proposal is another attempt at >> eliminating the waiting list for unmet requests. >> >>

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17: Returned Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved Pool

> On Aug 26, 2019, at 18:09 , Martin Hannigan wrote: > > > > On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 5:10 PM Owen DeLong > wrote: > Really, it seems to me that this proposal is another attempt at eliminating > the waiting list for unmet requests. > > The first attempt (ARIN

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17: Returned Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved Pool

s very helpful for the council. > > -Alison > > *From:* ARIN-PPML [mailto:arin-ppml-boun...@arin.net > ] *On Behalf Of *Fernando Frediani > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 30, 2019 6:44 AM > *To:* arin-ppml > *Subject:* Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17: Returned Addresses > to

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17: Returned Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved Pool

new rule limiting the waiting list to those with less than a /20? > Whatever rule is imposed, a way around it will be sought. > > > > I think it should be shut down, and new entrants buy from the market, or > adhere to the rules for 4.10 and 4.4. > > > > Regards, > &

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17: Returned Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved Pool

et<mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17: Returned Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved Pool The waiting list is a necessary and fair way to manage what is left for the RIR to distribute to organizations according to its mission and based on similar

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17: Returned Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved Pool

; Please keep your feedback coming, it is very helpful for the council. >>> >>> -Alison >>> >>> From: ARIN-PPML [mailto:arin-ppml-boun...@arin.net] On Behalf Of Fernando >>> Frediani >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2019 6:44 AM >>&g

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17: Returned Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved Pool

; > -Alison > > *From:* ARIN-PPML [mailto:arin-ppml-boun...@arin.net > ] *On Behalf Of *Fernando Frediani > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 30, 2019 6:44 AM > *To:* arin-ppml > *Subject:* Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17: Returned Addresses > to the 4.10 Reserved Pool > >

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17: Returned Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved Pool

: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17: Returned Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved Pool Hello Mike I didn't say those things, you are putting words in my mouth. What I said is that in current time things like new entrants, critical infrastructure, and usage like the 4.10 pool should

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17: Returned Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved Pool

, August 16, 2019 11:17 AM To: arin-ppml@arin.net Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17: Returned Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved Pool Hello Mike I didn't say those things, you are putting words in my mouth. What I said is that in current time things like new entrants, critical

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17: Returned Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved Pool

*ARIN-PPML *On Behalf Of *Fernando Frediani *Sent:* Thursday, August 15, 2019 6:04 PM *To:* arin-ppml@arin.net *Subject:* Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17: Returned Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved Pool The waiting list is a necessary and fair way to manage what is left for the RIR to

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17: Returned Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved Pool

, August 15, 2019 6:04 PM To: arin-ppml@arin.net Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17: Returned Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved Pool The waiting list is a necessary and fair way to manage what is left for the RIR to distribute to organizations according to its mission and based

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17: Returned Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved Pool

oming, it is very helpful for the council. > > -Alison > > *From:* ARIN-PPML [mailto:arin-ppml-boun...@arin.net > ] *On Behalf Of *Fernando Frediani > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 30, 2019 6:44 AM > *To:* arin-ppml > *Subject:* Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17: Returned Addresses

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17: Returned Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved Pool

lto:arin-ppml-boun...@arin.net] On Behalf Of Fernando Frediani Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2019 6:44 AM To: arin-ppml Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17: Returned Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved Pool The point is that you treating IP marketing as something 'natural' or a 'default route'

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17: Returned Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved Pool

Tuesday, July 30, 2019 6:44 AM To: arin-ppml Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17: Returned Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved Pool   The point is that you treating IP marketing as something 'natural' or a 'default route' which it is not and can never be. Natural is to receive some a

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17: Returned Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved Pool

ly increase the risks of detection. Owen > I support the policy as written and amended. > > Regards, > Mike > > > > From: ARIN-PPML On Behalf Of Owen DeLong > Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 5:10 PM > To: WOOD Alison * DAS > Cc: arin-ppml &g

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17: Returned Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved Pool

*To:* WOOD Alison * DAS *Cc:* arin-ppml *Subject:* Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17: Returned Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved Pool Really, it seems to me that this proposal is another attempt at eliminating the waiting list for unmet requests. The first attempt (ARIN auctions the space

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17: Returned Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved Pool

On Behalf Of Owen DeLong Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 5:10 PM To: WOOD Alison * DAS Cc: arin-ppml Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17: Returned Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved Pool Really, it seems to me that this proposal is another attempt at eliminating the waiting list

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17: Returned Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved Pool

Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2019 5:10 PM To: WOOD Alison * DAS Cc: arin-ppml Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17: Returned Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved Pool Really, it seems to me that this proposal is another attempt at eliminating the waiting list for unmet requests. The first

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17: Returned Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved Pool

out in the next five years. > > Please keep your feedback coming, it is very helpful for the council. > > -Alison > > From: ARIN-PPML [mailto:arin-ppml-boun...@arin.net] On Behalf Of Fernando > Frediani > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2019 6:44 AM > To: arin-ppml > Sub

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17: Returned Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved Pool

-17: Returned Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved Pool The point is that you treating IP marketing as something 'natural' or a 'default route' which it is not and can never be. Natural is to receive some addresses from the RIR in first place so they are treated as anyone else was in the past

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17: Returned Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved Pool

The point is that you treating IP marketing as something 'natural' or a 'default route' which it is not and can never be. Natural is to receive some addresses from the RIR in first place so they are treated as anyone else was in the past and have a chance to exist in the Internet with same

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17: Returned Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved Pool

I would think that the majority of new entrants would need at least some allocation to help with IPv6 transition and would qualify for addresses from the 4.10 pool.  Depending on what they receive from that pool and when, they may not qualify for additional waiting list addresses and would have

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17: Returned Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved Pool

:* Monday, July 29, 2019 5:03 PM *To:* Fernando Frediani ; arin-ppml@arin.net *Subject:* Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17: Returned Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved Pool Having read the Problem Statement and understood what is being proposed, I'd kindly advise that this policy should also

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17: Returned Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved Pool

behalf of Fernando Frediani mailto:fhfredi...@gmail.com> > Sent: Monday, July 29, 2019 10:39:32 AM To: arin-ppml@arin.net <mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17: Returned Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved Pool I find it interesting the i

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17: Returned Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved Pool

To: arin-ppml@arin.net Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17: Returned Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved Pool I find it interesting the idea of privileging the pool dedicated to facilitate IPv6 Deployment and I also agree with the comments below in the sense that it's not very

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17: Returned Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved Pool

I find it interesting the idea of privileging the pool dedicated to facilitate IPv6 Deployment and I also agree with the comments below in the sense that it's not very beneficial do most ARIN members due to max size, /22, cannot be holding more than a /20. However one point I couldn't

Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17: Returned Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved Pool

I found the wording of the Problem Statement on this one a bit confusing. However, after deciphering the effect of the actual policy change I support it. Essentially, all returned IPv4 space will no longer go to the waiting list but will supplement the 4.10 reserved pool used to enhance IPv6

[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17: Returned Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved Pool

On 18 July 2019, the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) accepted "ARIN-prop-276: Returned Addresses to the 4.10 Reserved Pool" as a Draft Policy. Draft Policy ARIN-2019-17 is below and can be found at: https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2019_17/ You are encouraged to discuss all Draft