Re: [arin-ppml] FYI -- RIPE-605 Services to Legacy Internet Resource Holders

2014-02-18 Thread Lindsey, Marc
John, If I can assist, please let me know. -Marc From: John Curran [mailto:jcur...@arin.net] Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 11:35 PM To: Lindsey, Marc Cc: arin-ppml@arin.net Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] FYI -- RIPE-605 Services to Legacy Internet Resource Holders On Feb 18, 2014, at 11:07 PM

Re: [arin-ppml] FYI -- RIPE-605 Services to Legacy Internet Resource Holders

2014-02-18 Thread John Curran
On Feb 18, 2014, at 11:07 PM, Lindsey, Marc mailto:mlind...@lb3law.com>> wrote: Hello John, On Feb 17, 2014, at 5:30 PM you wrote: “As noted earlier, RIPE 605 covers quite a bit of ground; could you be more specific about what specific policy changes you are seeking?” I agree that RIPE 605 co

[arin-ppml] FYI -- RIPE-605 Services to Legacy Internet Resource Holders

2014-02-18 Thread Lindsey, Marc
Hello John, On Feb 17, 2014, at 5:30 PM you wrote: "As noted earlier, RIPE 605 covers quite a bit of ground; could you be more specific about what specific policy changes you are seeking?" I agree that RIPE 605 covers a lot of ground, and there are opportunities to improve it. From my perspec

Re: [arin-ppml] FYI -- RIPE-605 Services to Legacy Internet Resource Holders

2014-02-18 Thread Sweeting, John
Kevin is setting up a conference call based on your availability, so yes. Thanks Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 17, 2014, at 9:54 PM, "Martin Hannigan" wrote: > > Let me know if we can work on this before the meeting. > > Side note, I noticed that in January 2013 there was a PDP > simplification b

Re: [arin-ppml] FYI -- RIPE-605 Services to Legacy Internet Resource Holders

2014-02-17 Thread Martin Hannigan
Let me know if we can work on this before the meeting. Side note, I noticed that in January 2013 there was a PDP simplification by the board. Another discussion happened in February 2013. There was an update by Bill Woodcock, the "PDP Simplification Chair" and then nothing. Might be a good committ

Re: [arin-ppml] FYI -- RIPE-605 Services to Legacy Internet Resource Holders

2014-02-17 Thread John Curran
On Feb 17, 2014, at 8:59 PM, Steve Noble mailto:sno...@sonn.com>> wrote: Hi John, You were the one who eventually did fix the issue and I do appreciate that. I don't believe that ARIN today will treat anyone differently than they treated me, as the behavior is based on the rules and regulation

Re: [arin-ppml] FYI -- RIPE-605 Services to Legacy Internet Resource Holders

2014-02-17 Thread Martin Hannigan
Whoops, dropped a word. There was a PDP Simplification Committee established by the board. Sorely needed. Best, -M< On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 9:53 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote: > Let me know if we can work on this before the meeting. > > Side note, I noticed that in January 2013 there was a PDP >

Re: [arin-ppml] FYI -- RIPE-605 Services to Legacy Internet Resource Holders

2014-02-17 Thread Steve Noble
Hi John, You were the one who eventually did fix the issue and I do appreciate that. I don't believe that ARIN today will treat anyone differently than they treated me, as the behavior is based on the rules and regulations that ARIN runs under.  The bar is set too high to allow objects t

Re: [arin-ppml] FYI -- RIPE-605 Services to Legacy Internet Resource Holders

2014-02-17 Thread Sweeting, John
Since I just received confirmation from the Primary I can now let you know it will be Kevin as primary and Bill D as secondary. They will be reaching out to you ASAP. Please let me know if there is anything else I can do at this time. Thanks again -john Sent from my iPhone On Feb 17, 2014, at

Re: [arin-ppml] FYI -- RIPE-605 Services to Legacy Internet Resource Holders

2014-02-17 Thread Sweeting, John
The shepherds will be notified in the morning. Our next meeting is this Thursday so most likely not but we'll see. They should initially reach out to to tomorrow, I will notify you as soon as they accept the appointment. Thanks. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 17, 2014, at 7:52 PM, "Martin Hannigan"

Re: [arin-ppml] FYI -- RIPE-605 Services to Legacy Internet Resource Holders

2014-02-17 Thread Martin Hannigan
Who are the shepherds and should I expect to hear from them with plenty of time available prior to the next AC meeting to make potential initial adjustments? Best, Martin On Monday, February 17, 2014, Scott Leibrand wrote: > Marc, > > Good input, thanks. Can you expand a bit on which aspects

Re: [arin-ppml] FYI -- RIPE-605 Services to Legacy Internet Resource Holders

2014-02-17 Thread Scott Leibrand
Marc, Good input, thanks. Can you expand a bit on which aspects of the LRSA some of your clients find burdensome, and which aspects of RIPE 605 they find preferable? As we (and particularly the AC shepherds) work with the proposal originator on getting a clear problem statement and then figurin

Re: [arin-ppml] FYI -- RIPE-605 Services to Legacy Internet Resource Holders

2014-02-17 Thread John Curran
On Feb 17, 2014, at 4:08 PM, Steve Noble mailto:sno...@sonn.com>> wrote: As a holder of both legacy and non-legacy ARIN objects, I have been subject to ARIN's registry update blocks on _non-legacy_ objects that I rightfully control and use. Steve - I'll be the first to admit you suffered ne

Re: [arin-ppml] FYI -- RIPE-605 Services to Legacy Internet Resource Holders

2014-02-17 Thread Steve Noble
As a holder of both legacy and non-legacy ARIN objects, I have been subject to ARIN's registry update blocks on _non-legacy_ objects that I rightfully control and use.  I spent years (6 I believe) fighting with ARIN to update the information on one of my ASNs while ARIN continued to bill me for

Re: [arin-ppml] FYI -- RIPE-605 Services to Legacy Internet Resource Holders

2014-02-17 Thread John Curran
On Feb 17, 2014, at 2:53 PM, Lindsey, Marc mailto:mlind...@lb3law.com>> wrote: I advise several large legacy block holders. Some of them signed the LRSA, but many have not. For them, the burdens imposed by the LRSA outweigh the benefits. Some on the PPML have suggested that off-contract leg

[arin-ppml] FYI -- RIPE-605 Services to Legacy Internet Resource Holders

2014-02-17 Thread Lindsey, Marc
I advise several large legacy block holders. Some of them signed the LRSA, but many have not. For them, the burdens imposed by the LRSA outweigh the benefits. Some on the PPML have suggested that off-contract legacy holders don't sign up with ARIN because they want to be free-riders. But th

Re: [arin-ppml] FYI -- RIPE-605 Services to Legacy Internet Resource Holders

2014-02-13 Thread John Curran
On Feb 13, 2014, at 8:47 AM, Martin Hannigan wrote: > I will, but how can RIR's have legacy related policy like this be > inconsistent across regions? I would argue its likely that it requires > matching to sone extent here. > > How would people feel about pushing 605 as a "globally coordinat

Re: [arin-ppml] FYI -- RIPE-605 Services to Legacy Internet Resource Holders

2014-02-13 Thread Martin Hannigan
I will, but how can RIR's have legacy related policy like this be inconsistent across regions? I would argue its likely that it requires matching to sone extent here. How would people feel about pushing 605 as a "globally coordinated" policy? Best, Martin On Thursday, February 13, 2014, John

Re: [arin-ppml] FYI -- RIPE-605 Services to Legacy Internet Resource Holders

2014-02-13 Thread Martin Hannigan
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 11:20 AM, David Conrad wrote: > On Feb 13, 2014, at 10:47 AM, Martin Hannigan wrote: > > I will, but how can RIR's have legacy related policy like this be > inconsistent across regions? I would argue its likely that it requires > matching to sone extent here. > > > > How

Re: [arin-ppml] FYI -- RIPE-605 Services to Legacy Internet Resource Holders

2014-02-13 Thread David Conrad
On Feb 13, 2014, at 10:47 AM, Martin Hannigan wrote: > I will, but how can RIR's have legacy related policy like this be > inconsistent across regions? I would argue its likely that it requires > matching to sone extent here. > > How would people feel about pushing 605 as a "globally coordinat

Re: [arin-ppml] FYI -- RIPE-605 Services to Legacy Internet Resource Holders

2014-02-13 Thread John Curran
On Feb 12, 2014, at 9:46 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote: > I have a dumb question. > > Does 605 mean addresses are now property? Or only in some regions? It would be best to ask RIPE about interpretation of their policies. Thanks! /John John Curran President and CEO ARIN __

Re: [arin-ppml] FYI -- RIPE-605 Services to Legacy Internet Resource Holders

2014-02-12 Thread Martin Hannigan
I have a dumb question. Does 605 mean addresses are now property? Or only in some regions? Best, Marty On Wednesday, February 12, 2014, David Conrad wrote: > John, > > On Feb 12, 2014, at 1:13 PM, John Curran > > wrote: > >> "The importance of maintaining accurate records in the ARIN databa

Re: [arin-ppml] FYI -- RIPE-605 Services to Legacy Internet Resource Holders

2014-02-09 Thread Martin Hannigan
What's next? RIR competition? :-) On Saturday, February 8, 2014, Owen DeLong wrote: > I'm sure it insures something. I'm not sure an accurate registry is what > it insures. > > Owen > > On Feb 7, 2014, at 18:07 , Martin Hannigan > > > wrote: > > > RIPE-605 is now policy in the RIPE region. > >

Re: [arin-ppml] FYI -- RIPE-605 Services to Legacy Internet Resource Holders

2014-02-08 Thread Owen DeLong
I'm sure it insures something. I'm not sure an accurate registry is what it insures. Owen On Feb 7, 2014, at 18:07 , Martin Hannigan wrote: > > RIPE-605 is now policy in the RIPE region. > > 1. Provides registry services to legacy holders without contractual > requirement > > 2. Excludes l

[arin-ppml] FYI -- RIPE-605 Services to Legacy Internet Resource Holders

2014-02-07 Thread Martin Hannigan
RIPE-605 is now policy in the RIPE region. 1. Provides registry services to legacy holders without contractual requirement 2. Excludes legacy holders from RIPE policy purview, past-present-future 3. Can revert a legacy block under contract back to a non-contract state 4. Reversion concept = "re