Re: [arin-ppml] Response to the ARIN counsel's assessment of 2014-1 (Out of region use)

2015-04-13 Thread Andrea Cima
o:* Milton L Mueller; arin-ppml@arin.net > *Subject:* RE: [arin-ppml] Response to the ARIN counsel's assessment of > 2014-1 (Out of region use) > > > > Milton, > > > > All of the example net blocks that used in your examples below appear > to be rou

Re: [arin-ppml] Response to the ARIN counsel's assessment of 2014-1 (Out of region use)

2015-04-13 Thread Milton L Mueller
If I understand what counsel is claiming, it is in a way a contrapositive inference. That is- because ARIN does not assign resources to applicants who do not have a presence within its region, there is no logical basis for assertion of jurisdiction beyond that region. MM: I thought we had al

Re: [arin-ppml] Response to the ARIN counsel's assessment of 2014-1 (Out of region use)

2015-04-13 Thread Milton L Mueller
net> [mailto:arin-ppml-boun...@arin.net] On Behalf Of Milton L Mueller Sent: April 12, 2015 4:53 PM To: arin-ppml@arin.net<mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net> Subject: [arin-ppml] Response to the ARIN counsel's assessment of 2014-1 (Out of region use) At ARIN 35 we will be discussing the fate of

Re: [arin-ppml] Response to the ARIN counsel's assessment of 2014-1 (Out of region use)

2015-04-13 Thread Eliot Lear
Hi Milton and others, I don't generally comment on these sorts of things, and so please excuse me if this comment is untimely. I have a single comment about your response to counsel. On 4/12/15 10:53 PM, Milton L Mueller wrote: > > Counsel asserts: > > "...if the policy were adopted, ARIN could

Re: [arin-ppml] Response to the ARIN counsel's assessment of 2014-1 (Out of region use)

2015-04-12 Thread Kevin Blumberg
ml-boun...@arin.net> [mailto:arin-ppml-boun...@arin.net] On Behalf Of Milton L Mueller Sent: April 12, 2015 4:53 PM To: arin-ppml@arin.net<mailto:arin-ppml@arin.net> Subject: [arin-ppml] Response to the ARIN counsel's assessment of 2014-1 (Out of region use) At ARIN 35 we will be dis

Re: [arin-ppml] Response to the ARIN counsel's assessment of 2014-1 (Out of region use)

2015-04-12 Thread Kevin Blumberg
in-ppml@arin.net Subject: [arin-ppml] Response to the ARIN counsel's assessment of 2014-1 (Out of region use) At ARIN 35 we will be discussing the fate of a proposal to formally allow out of region use of number resources. Attendees can review the text of the policy alongside a staff and l

Re: [arin-ppml] Response to the ARIN counsel's assessment of 2014-1 (Out of region use)

2015-04-12 Thread Milton L Mueller
> -Original Message- > Historically, there have been bad actors who have successfully obtained > substantial IPv4 space from ARIN without having any customers or significant > equipment in the region. A common method is to set up a routing > infrastructure inside the ARIN region, and back

Re: [arin-ppml] Response to the ARIN counsel's assessment of 2014-1 (Out of region use)

2015-04-12 Thread Milton L Mueller
...@cable.comcast.com] Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2015 7:31 PM To: Milton L Mueller; arin-ppml@arin.net Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Response to the ARIN counsel's assessment of 2014-1 (Out of region use) Milton, Everything you state below is your opinion, just as what counsel states is an o

Re: [arin-ppml] Response to the ARIN counsel's assessment of 2014-1 (Out of region use)

2015-04-12 Thread Alexander, Daniel
l] Response to the ARIN counsel's assessment of 2014-1 (Out of region use) At ARIN 35 we will be discussing the fate of a proposal to formally allow out of region use of number resources. Attendees can review the text of the policy alongside a staff and legal assessment of it here: https://www

Re: [arin-ppml] Response to the ARIN counsel's assessment of 2014-1 (Out of region use)

2015-04-12 Thread David Huberman
I would like to quote just one section of Milton's post. >Counsel asserts: > "the policy will lead to an increase in fraudulent applications from out of > region requestors, and issuance of resources to those who fraudulently > file, since ARIN is not as well positioned to successfully disco

[arin-ppml] Response to the ARIN counsel's assessment of 2014-1 (Out of region use)

2015-04-12 Thread Milton L Mueller
At ARIN 35 we will be discussing the fate of a proposal to formally allow out of region use of number resources. Attendees can review the text of the policy alongside a staff and legal assessment of it here: https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2014_1.html The following is my response to the le