Re: [Arm-netbook] Urgent statement on Cryptocurrency ethics

2018-03-23 Thread Lars Kruse
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, Am Wed, 21 Mar 2018 11:26:29 -1000 schrieb "Tor, the Marqueteur" : > In the interests of their long term sustainability, I would like to see > them figure out what they need to deal with that, and charge it. > Probably somewhere around 1-3% fr

Re: [Arm-netbook] Urgent statement on Cryptocurrency ethics

2018-03-22 Thread Robert Wilkinson
On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 10:49:40AM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > --- > > We ran the experiment for decades, and the point at which it partially > > succeeded was when the likes of whatsap provided people with a way of > > avoiding responsibilty. > > there's another one... what's it

Re: [Arm-netbook] Urgent statement on Cryptocurrency ethics

2018-03-22 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 10:29 AM, Philip Hands wrote: >> so let's think about that case for a minute... PGP/GPG were designed >> for encrypting / signing static data. if that was all that was >> involved, crypto-curre

Re: [Arm-netbook] Urgent statement on Cryptocurrency ethics

2018-03-22 Thread Philip Hands
Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton writes: > --- > crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 > > > On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 9:45 AM, Philip Hands wrote: > >> I'd like to announce a revolution in data privacy. Individuals can take >> control of their data, and ensure that

Re: [Arm-netbook] Urgent statement on Cryptocurrency ethics

2018-03-22 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 9:45 AM, Philip Hands wrote: > I'd like to announce a revolution in data privacy. Individuals can take > control of their data, and ensure that it doesn't leak into the hands of > people that th

Re: [Arm-netbook] Urgent statement on Cryptocurrency ethics

2018-03-22 Thread Philip Hands
Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton writes: > oh. sorry, i forgot to add the other qualifier to > crypto-currencies / blockchain: *individuals* have to take *direct* > responsibility [where previously they could abdicate that > responsibility to a third party / central authority]. if they fail to > ta

Re: [Arm-netbook] Urgent statement on Cryptocurrency ethics

2018-03-21 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 6:40 AM, Hrvoje Lasic wrote: > I completely disagree. You are mixing block chain and cryptocurrencies. not entirely > Also, I disagree on second point. We still have ` power at the hands of > central banks, corrupt governments, expensive and flawed judicial systems, > ov

Re: [Arm-netbook] Urgent statement on Cryptocurrency ethics

2018-03-21 Thread Hrvoje Lasic
I completely disagree. You are mixing block chain and cryptocurrencies. Also, I disagree on second point. We still have ` power at the hands of central banks, corrupt governments, expensive and flawed judicial systems, overcharging and underpayment by unethical insurance companies` *This is my mai

Re: [Arm-netbook] Urgent statement on Cryptocurrency ethics

2018-03-21 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 9:16 PM, Hrvoje Lasic wrote: > ask yourself simple question: If all cryptocurencies are gone tomorrow, > what would you miss? crypto-currencies are literally the first time in human history where contracts can be made and honoured between one or more parties in an atomic

Re: [Arm-netbook] Urgent statement on Cryptocurrency ethics

2018-03-21 Thread Tor, the Marqueteur
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/21/2018 11:03 AM, zap wrote: > > I think it is safe to say that cryptocurrencies aren't very > feasible right now. > > My thoughts are: Liberapay is a good idea, > > I don't know if anything else is anywhere near as good. Liberapay is good, t

Re: [Arm-netbook] Urgent statement on Cryptocurrency ethics

2018-03-21 Thread Hrvoje Lasic
On 21 March 2018 at 21:58, Sam Huntress wrote: > Excessive power consumption by bitcoin miners is an indication that either > power is undervalued, bitcoin is overvalued, or both. ask yourself simple question: If all cryptocurencies are gone tomorrow, what would you miss? __

Re: [Arm-netbook] Urgent statement on Cryptocurrency ethics

2018-03-21 Thread zap
>> Yep, the Monero devs are very much dedicated to "egalitarian mining", >> which I think gets closer to Satoshi's original intent,[1][2] and makes >> something like javascript browser-based mining possible, which then >> opens up an entire new set of ethical concerns, even if it's a tiny step >>

Re: [Arm-netbook] Urgent statement on Cryptocurrency ethics

2018-03-21 Thread Sam Huntress
Excessive power consumption by bitcoin miners is an indication that either power is undervalued, bitcoin is overvalued, or both. > On Mar 21, 2018, at 3:48 PM, KRT Listmaster wrote: > > Now the discussion is starting to get interesting > > On 03/21/2018 07:11 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leight

Re: [Arm-netbook] Urgent statement on Cryptocurrency ethics

2018-03-21 Thread KRT Listmaster
Now the discussion is starting to get interesting On 03/21/2018 07:11 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: [...] > > *if* people agree - world-wide - to slow down on the mining *then* > the hashrate - world-wide - will slow down. however the only way > that's actually realistically lik

Re: [Arm-netbook] Urgent statement on Cryptocurrency ethics

2018-03-21 Thread Louis Pearson
On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 8:11 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > --- > crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 > > > On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 12:08 PM, Wookey wrote: > > On 2018-03-20 21:44 +0100, Philip Hands wrote: > > > >> https://www.theguardian.com/tec

Re: [Arm-netbook] Urgent statement on Cryptocurrency ethics

2018-03-21 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68 On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 12:08 PM, Wookey wrote: > On 2018-03-20 21:44 +0100, Philip Hands wrote: > >> >> https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/mar/20/child-abuse-imagery-bitcoin-blockchain-illegal-content > > Th

Re: [Arm-netbook] Urgent statement on Cryptocurrency ethics

2018-03-21 Thread Wookey
On 2018-03-20 21:44 +0100, Philip Hands wrote: > > https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/mar/20/child-abuse-imagery-bitcoin-blockchain-illegal-content There's always someone isn't there? This is why we can't have nice things. I'm quite surprised that the format allows inclusion of rando

Re: [Arm-netbook] Urgent statement on Cryptocurrency ethics

2018-03-20 Thread Jean Flamelle
That link goes back to the fundamental concept of illegal numbers. Anywhere a number can be written, illegal data may be written. Anywhere a number can be written immutably, illegal data may be written immutably. This also gets at a fundamental issue of ethics of censorship, as censorship was vie

Re: [Arm-netbook] Urgent statement on Cryptocurrency ethics

2018-03-20 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 8:44 PM, Philip Hands wrote: > Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton writes: > >> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 6:15 PM, Jean Flamelle wrote: >>> This is difficult to express so please bear patience. Able >>> manipulators of money do exploit the interest in cryptocurrency to >>>

Re: [Arm-netbook] Urgent statement on Cryptocurrency ethics

2018-03-20 Thread Philip Hands
Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton writes: > On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 6:15 PM, Jean Flamelle wrote: >> This is difficult to express so please bear patience. Able >> manipulators of money do exploit the interest in cryptocurrency to >> affect the prices thereof, > > yep, i know. there's no way

Re: [Arm-netbook] Urgent statement on Cryptocurrency ethics

2018-03-20 Thread Hrvoje Lasic
On 20 March 2018 at 19:15, Jean Flamelle wrote: > This is difficult to express so please bear patience. Able > manipulators of money do exploit the interest in cryptocurrency to > affect the prices thereof, purchase and sell cryptocurrency increasing > their stockpile of national and inte

Re: [Arm-netbook] Urgent statement on Cryptocurrency ethics

2018-03-20 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 6:15 PM, Jean Flamelle wrote: > This is difficult to express so please bear patience. Able > manipulators of money do exploit the interest in cryptocurrency to > affect the prices thereof, yep, i know. there's no way to regulate or prevent the blatant insider trad

[Arm-netbook] Urgent statement on Cryptocurrency ethics

2018-03-20 Thread Jean Flamelle
This is difficult to express so please bear patience. Able manipulators of money do exploit the interest in cryptocurrency to affect the prices thereof, purchase and sell cryptocurrency increasing their stockpile of national and international currencies while sustaining their supply of cryp