[Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

2016-12-04 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
around 3 years ago i bought an apple macbook pro 13in because it was well-built, high spec'd and high-priced (translation: plenty of profit so that no corners need to be cut in manufacturing, which in turn means less chance of component failure). that was the theory, anyway. one design flaw, thou

Re: [Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

2016-12-04 Thread Russell Hyer
Hey Luke, Well, obviously you know that there are a couple more hardware people like https://www.thinkpenguin.com/ in the US and novatech.co.uk in the UK, but none of these are particularly interesting from a tech or friendliness perspective. If it's just about having a machine that might be comp

Re: [Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

2016-12-04 Thread Franck Sinimalé
Hi all, https://lacpdx.com/gnu/Laptop FYI they did not answer to my request since i live in France i guess, cool machines anyway ! a+ Franck Le 04/12/2016 à 12:39, Russell Hyer a écrit : Hey Luke, Well, obviously you know that there are a couple more hardware people like https://www.thinkp

Re: [Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

2016-12-04 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On 12/4/16, Russell Hyer wrote: > Hey Luke, > > Well, obviously you know that there are a couple more hardware people > like https://www.thinkpenguin.com/ in the US my sponsor, so yes :) however, they focus on laptops around the $500 give-or-take mark, max screen resolution 1920x1080, weight ar

Re: [Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

2016-12-04 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On 12/4/16, Franck Sinimalé wrote: > Hi all, > > https://lacpdx.com/gnu/Laptop > > FYI they did not answer to my request since i live in France i guess, > cool machines anyway ! unfortunately the LCD resolutions max out at 1920x1080. after having experienced a 2560x1600 LCD, where i can get *TE

Re: [Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

2016-12-04 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sun, Dec 04, 2016 at 12:29:00PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > On 12/4/16, Franck Sinimalé wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > https://lacpdx.com/gnu/Laptop > > > > FYI they did not answer to my request since i live in France i guess, > > cool machines anyway ! > > unfortunately the LCD

Re: [Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

2016-12-04 Thread Russell Hyer
Luke, if you do decide to go the DELL route, last time I checked, I had several friends at DELL all of whom could offer some employee discounts (obviously, not as good as the Mexico deal recently publicised). Let me know if I should send a query out to them to see if I can get an employee discount

Re: [Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

2016-12-04 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
yes please that would be really helpful russell. andrew i looked at what system76 have: smallest is the 14in @ $699 which means its spec is nowhere near that of the dell xps 13 9350, the yoga pro or the zenbook(s). the machines you refer to that can do 4k are monster 15 and 17in, they'll be some

Re: [Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

2016-12-04 Thread Russell Hyer
@Luke (I asked the question re the code, I'll see if I get a response) On 4 December 2016 at 14:40, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > yes please that would be really helpful russell. > > andrew i looked at what system76 have: smallest is the 14in @ $699 > which means its spec is nowhere near

Re: [Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

2016-12-04 Thread Andrew Mike
You could get a Gigabyte Aero 14: http://www.xoticpc.com/gigabyte-aero-14.html 2560x1440 14-inch screen, 1.9 kg, but has everything else you wanted at your price point. There's also the AORUS X3 Plus PC3K4D: http://www.xoticpc.com/aorus-x3-plus-v6-pc3k4d.html Still misses the weight budget, a

Re: [Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

2016-12-04 Thread Christopher Havel
Have not fully read the rest of the thread (quickly skimmed -- I'm on a time budget, forgive me) -- but -- An external SSD is essentially a conglomerate of three separate parts. The SSD proper (always just a standard drive), the enclosure in which it is placed (with a USB/FireWire/eSATA host contr

Re: [Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

2016-12-04 Thread Wolfram Kahl
On Sun, Dec 04, 2016 at 11:15:20AM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > well-built, high spec'd and high-priced I am happy owner of an M3 from eurocom.com, which, together with most of their machines, falls roughly into that category, too, but comes (at your choice) without operating syste

Re: [Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

2016-12-04 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On 12/4/16, Andrew Mike wrote: > You could get a Gigabyte Aero 14: > http://www.xoticpc.com/gigabyte-aero-14.html > > 2560x1440 14-inch screen, 1.9 kg, but has everything else you wanted at > your price point. dang. up to 32gb DDR4 RAM. in a laptop. i'm very very tempted... the only thing is:

Re: [Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

2016-12-04 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On 12/4/16, Christopher Havel wrote: > Have not fully read the rest of the thread (quickly skimmed -- I'm on a > time budget, forgive me) -- but -- > > An external SSD is essentially a conglomerate of three separate parts. The > SSD proper (always just a standard drive), the enclosure in which it

Re: [Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

2016-12-04 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On 12/4/16, Wolfram Kahl wrote: > On Sun, Dec 04, 2016 at 11:15:20AM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton > wrote: >> well-built, high spec'd and high-priced > > I am happy owner of an M3 from eurocom.com, which, together with > most of their machines, falls roughly into that category, too, > but c

Re: [Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

2016-12-04 Thread Christopher Havel
@luke -- what's the Mac version of fsck (command-line filesystem check, Windows' version is chkdsk) and did you run it? I've 'fixed' improperly-unmounted USB thumb drives with that command. On Linux, where 'sdx' is your SSD, "fsck -a sdx" (no quotes!) followed by a punch of the ENTER key, will do

Re: [Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

2016-12-04 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On 12/4/16, Christopher Havel wrote: > @luke -- what's the Mac version of fsck (command-line filesystem check, > Windows' version is chkdsk) and did you run it? yep. > I've 'fixed' improperly-unmounted USB thumb drives with that command. yep, i know what it does - it triggers an ioctl to the

Re: [Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

2016-12-04 Thread Christopher Havel
Only thing I can think of at that point, which, if you're still in the techy part of China, is actually reasonably possible - open the SSD and see if you can get a replacement controller chip and someone to put it down... Replying on my phone here, please excuse any errors. This thing sometimes wa

Re: [Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

2016-12-04 Thread Wolfram Kahl
On Sun, Dec 04, 2016 at 07:16:34PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > > (The 13.3 inch M3 and M4 are not listed currently on the Eurocom > > main pages; I'd ask.) > > i will - it's a little awkward to operate on 10-15k/sec internet > connection (there's another couple of world-wide DDO

Re: [Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

2016-12-04 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
okaaay, apparently there's a store called http://gplustore.com in luohu, shenzhen (right outside the border crossing from HK), which is listed as a distributor for the Aorus laptops. it's a bit weird: they appear to be a bricks-and-mortar presence for what is essentially a pure "online" operation.

Re: [Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

2016-12-04 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
https://linux.slashdot.org/story/16/12/03/0727258/ask-slashdot-whats-the-best-linux-laptop#comments ha, funny - someone posted on slashdot a near-identical question :) ___ arm-netbook mailing list arm-netbook@lists.phcomp.co.uk http://lists.phcomp.co.uk

Re: [Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

2016-12-05 Thread mike.v...@gmail.com
2016-12-04 12:15 GMT+01:00 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton : > > * 2560x1600 or greater resolution LCD (CAD development) > * 13in size (has to fit in my backpack) > * below 1.5kg weight (carryable) > * 16GB of RAM (i'm maxing out the 8GB) > * 512GB SSD (i've maxed out the 256GB drive) > * cooperative

Re: [Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

2016-12-05 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
hiya mike thanks for the comprehensive insights. still investigating the aorus forums, there does exist a thread where people are attempting to install various flavours of linux, and are struggling quite a lot, basically. one person is running lubuntu in a VM under windows and the machine is hang

Re: [Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

2016-12-05 Thread mike.v...@gmail.com
2016-12-05 11:55 GMT+01:00 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton : > *sigh* argh i can just feel that, after thinking it through, 16GB > simply isn't going to be enough, long-term. > How about using a lighter/smaller laptop and a "mini" desktop as a server, SSH/VNC. Like an Intel NUC Asus ZenBook UX305CA

Re: [Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

2016-12-05 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On 12/5/16, mike.v...@gmail.com wrote: > 2016-12-05 11:55 GMT+01:00 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton : > >> *sigh* argh i can just feel that, after thinking it through, 16GB >> simply isn't going to be enough, long-term. >> > > How about using a lighter/smaller laptop and a "mini" desktop as a server,

Re: [Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

2016-12-05 Thread Julie Marchant
Just my 2 cents: From what I've been gathering, Luke, this is the situation: you are used to a very high spec setup capable of really large amounts of multitasking and don't want to give up your current way of doing things, so you are looking for a new laptop capable of this. There's nothing wrong

Re: [Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

2016-12-05 Thread Adam Van Ymeren
On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 10:11 AM, Julie Marchant wrote: > Just my 2 cents: > > From what I've been gathering, Luke, this is the situation: you are used > to a very high spec setup capable of really large amounts of > multitasking and don't want to give up your current way of doing things, > so you

Re: [Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

2016-12-05 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On 12/5/16, Julie Marchant wrote: > Just my 2 cents: appreciated, julie. lots of factors involved: i've been through them, however it always helps to go over them in case i missed something. > From what I've been gathering, Luke, this is the situation: you are used > to a very high spec setup

Re: [Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

2016-12-05 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On 12/5/16, Adam Van Ymeren wrote: > The real solution is to get EOMA-200 rolling with 32GB of RAM :). yeah :) gotta redo that. with 4k displays now prevalent, i think it's going to be necessary to add either MIPI, eDP or both to EOMA-200. l. ___

Re: [Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

2016-12-05 Thread Julie Marchant
> by contrast: fvwm2 is an 8 *megabyte* install size. gnome is... > what... several hundred megabytes? latest versions force you to use > wayland? and systemd?? fuck that!! absolutely no way i'm tolerating > that. GNOME does not force you to use Wayland. I don't know where you got this idea f

Re: [Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

2016-12-05 Thread FaTony
Julie Marchant: > On that note, I'd recommend for Firefox (if that's what you use) an > extension called QuickJS, which gives you a button in the toolbar to > enable and disable JavaScript. I suggest uMatrix: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/umatrix/ In whitelist mode it blocks all

Re: [Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

2016-12-06 Thread mike.v...@gmail.com
2016-12-05 13:55 GMT+01:00 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton : > On 12/5/16, mike.v...@gmail.com wrote: > > 2016-12-05 11:55 GMT+01:00 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton : > > How about using a lighter/smaller laptop and a "mini" desktop as a > server, > > SSH/VNC. Like an Intel NUC > > nice idea... can't

Re: [Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

2016-12-06 Thread Adam Van Ymeren
On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 5:55 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > *sigh* argh i can just feel that, after thinking it through, 16GB > simply isn't going to be enough, long-term. Just a thought, seeing as you are already in/near China, if you find a suitable laptop that supports 32GB, maybe yo

Re: [Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

2016-12-06 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On 12/6/16, Adam Van Ymeren wrote: > On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 5:55 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton > wrote: >> *sigh* argh i can just feel that, after thinking it through, 16GB >> simply isn't going to be enough, long-term. > > Just a thought, seeing as you are already in/near China, if you find a

Re: [Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

2016-12-06 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On 12/5/16, Julie Marchant wrote: >> by contrast: fvwm2 is an 8 *megabyte* install size. gnome is... >> what... several hundred megabytes? latest versions force you to use >> wayland? and systemd?? fuck that!! absolutely no way i'm tolerating >> that. > > GNOME does not force you to use Wayla

Re: [Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

2016-12-06 Thread Adam Van Ymeren
On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > On 12/6/16, Adam Van Ymeren wrote: >> On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 5:55 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton >> wrote: >>> *sigh* argh i can just feel that, after thinking it through, 16GB >>> simply isn't going to be enough, long-term

Re: [Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

2016-12-06 Thread Julie Marchant
On 12/06/2016 01:05 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > it seems to be ok up to a point on the macbook pro one, but beyond a > certain point the SSD appears to go into "maintenance" for up to a few > seconds at a time, ceasing to deal with writes and reads. generally > this is bad :) That'

Re: [Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

2016-12-06 Thread Russell Hyer
@Luke those friends @DELL (Ireland) haven't picked up the phone/email, so I don't think I'll be able to help on that front (though they might make a Treppenwitz reply) R On 6 December 2016 at 18:25, Julie Marchant wrote: > On 12/06/2016 01:05 PM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: >> it seems

Re: [Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

2016-12-07 Thread Philip Hands
Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton writes: > On 12/5/16, Julie Marchant wrote: >>> by contrast: fvwm2 is an 8 *megabyte* install size. gnome is... >>> what... several hundred megabytes? latest versions force you to use >>> wayland? and systemd?? fuck that!! absolutely no way i'm tolerating >>> th

Re: [Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

2016-12-07 Thread Michael Howard
On 07/12/2016 09:07, Philip Hands wrote: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton writes: On 12/5/16, Julie Marchant wrote: by contrast: fvwm2 is an 8 *megabyte* install size. gnome is... what... several hundred megabytes? latest versions force you to use wayland? and systemd?? fuck that!! absolut

Re: [Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

2016-12-07 Thread mike.v...@gmail.com
2016-12-07 10:56 GMT+01:00 Michael Howard : > On 07/12/2016 09:07, Philip Hands wrote: > >> If everyone that doesn't like systemd runs screaming away from Debian, >> shouting about libsystemd0, and doesn't bother to report bugs where our >> ambition to support other inits falls short, then they ju

Re: [Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

2016-12-07 Thread Philip Hands
"mike.v...@gmail.com" writes: > 2016-12-07 10:56 GMT+01:00 Michael Howard : > >> On 07/12/2016 09:07, Philip Hands wrote: >> >>> If everyone that doesn't like systemd runs screaming away from Debian, >>> shouting about libsystemd0, and doesn't bother to report bugs where our >>> ambition to suppo

Re: [Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

2016-12-07 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On 12/7/16, Philip Hands wrote: > Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton writes: > >> On 12/5/16, Julie Marchant wrote: by contrast: fvwm2 is an 8 *megabyte* install size. gnome is... what... several hundred megabytes? latest versions force you to use wayland? and systemd?? fuck that!!

Re: [Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

2016-12-07 Thread Julie Marchant
On 12/07/2016 06:56 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > not sure i fully understand what you're saying, but i'm aware that > devuan is supporting a huge alternative range of init systems: the > only one they *don't* support is... systemd! libsystemd is not an init system. The init system is

Re: [Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

2016-12-07 Thread Julie Marchant
On 12/07/2016 04:07 AM, Philip Hands wrote: > and also constraining systemd when it is running as init > to be backwards compatible with sysvinit in various ways, which means > that there are things that Gnome can safely assume on the likes of > Fedora which might not be true on a particular Debian

Re: [Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

2016-12-07 Thread Paul Boddie
On Wednesday 7. December 2016 12.56.06 Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > > not sure i fully understand what you're saying, but i'm aware that > devuan is supporting a huge alternative range of init systems: the > only one they *don't* support is... systemd! > > now, it may surprise you to l

Re: [Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

2016-12-07 Thread Ythogtha
> On 12/07/2016 06:56 AM, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: > > not sure i fully understand what you're saying, but i'm aware that > > devuan is supporting a huge alternative range of init systems: the > > only one they *don't* support is... systemd! > > libsystemd is not an init system. The in

Re: [Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

2016-12-08 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Wed, Dec 07, 2016 at 04:49:36PM +0100, Ythogtha wrote: > I'm new on this list, so hello everybody :) > > If I may make a small remark... > I feel that somehow, having a library installed only to know wether some other > software is present or not feels the wrong way to do things. I don'

Re: [Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

2016-12-08 Thread Paul Boddie
On Thursday 8. December 2016 13.41.19 Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > > How do you detect this at run time? Every program should write its own > (buggy) test? No, it should use an existing test. Use libsystemd. I don't want to get into an argument about systemd, but one way of detecting systemd would to

Re: [Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

2016-12-08 Thread Julie Marchant
On 12/08/2016 09:25 AM, Paul Boddie wrote: > I don't want to get into an argument about systemd, but one way of detecting > systemd would to be for things to test for a file that always gets installed > as part of the systemd packages. This file could even have zero content and > be > explicitl

Re: [Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

2016-12-08 Thread Adam Van Ymeren
On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 7:41 AM, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > On Wed, Dec 07, 2016 at 04:49:36PM +0100, Ythogtha wrote: > >> I'm new on this list, so hello everybody :) >> >> If I may make a small remark... >> I feel that somehow, having a library installed only to know wether some >> other >> sof

Re: [Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

2016-12-08 Thread mike.v...@gmail.com
2016-12-08 16:08 GMT+01:00 Adam Van Ymeren : > On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 7:41 AM, Tzafrir Cohen > wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 07, 2016 at 04:49:36PM +0100, Ythogtha wrote: > > > >> I'm new on this list, so hello everybody :) > >> > >> If I may make a small remark... > >> I feel that somehow, having

Re: [Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

2016-12-08 Thread Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton
On 12/8/16, mike.v...@gmail.com wrote: > 2016-12-08 16:08 GMT+01:00 Adam Van Ymeren : > >> On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 7:41 AM, Tzafrir Cohen >> wrote: >> > On Wed, Dec 07, 2016 at 04:49:36PM +0100, Ythogtha wrote: >> > >> >> I'm new on this list, so hello everybody :) >> >> >> >> If I may make

Re: [Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

2016-12-12 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Thu, Dec 08, 2016 at 10:08:33AM -0500, Adam Van Ymeren wrote: > On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 7:41 AM, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 07, 2016 at 04:49:36PM +0100, Ythogtha wrote: > > > >> I'm new on this list, so hello everybody :) > >> > >> If I may make a small remark... > >> I feel tha

Re: [Arm-netbook] new development laptop needed, looking at dell xps 13 9350

2016-12-12 Thread Adam Van Ymeren
On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > On Thu, Dec 08, 2016 at 10:08:33AM -0500, Adam Van Ymeren wrote: >> On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 7:41 AM, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: >> > On Wed, Dec 07, 2016 at 04:49:36PM +0100, Ythogtha wrote: >> > >> >> I'm new on this list, so hello everybod