Re: [asterisk-biz] IP Phone/Hard Phone

2007-07-13 Thread Andy Spring
*Why not select the www.magicdreamlife.com it is good. And one of the IP phones' details is like this below, anyone interest can have a try.* ** *Specifications: *Solution: Infineon Protocol : SIP/IAX2 Two 10/10M Ethernet Interfaces Suport registering two SIP Servers and one IAX Server simultaneou

Re: [asterisk-biz] Better ITSP Bureau

2007-07-13 Thread Trixter aka Bret McDanel
There is a fundamental problem that many would have if providers are moderating post about themselves and their competition. There is also a potential for people in competing markets to use that as a way of trying to discredit their competition. As for captcha, it may help to stop spam bots, but

Re: [asterisk-biz] Better ITSP Bureau

2007-07-13 Thread Andrew Kohlsmith
On Friday 13 July 2007 12:18:41 pm Matthew Rubenstein wrote: > There's a world of distance between "100% trustworthy", and the kind of > dangerously misleading info such a casual approach to public reviews can > be. And considering the personalities in this community which that I was thinkin

Re: [asterisk-biz] IP Phone/Hard Phone

2007-07-13 Thread Si Tai Fan
Try the SIP IP phones from Siemens i.e. the optiPoint 410/420 family. They are even better in my opinion. W. Glenn Campbell wrote: Polycom (In my opinion) has the best quality. *W. Glenn Campbell* [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetStar Solutions, LLC. http://www.netstarsolutions.com Phone: (2

Re: [asterisk-biz] Better ITSP Bureau ( The URL )

2007-07-13 Thread Al Bochter
To everyone on the list The site is now on line the URL is *http://bochterservices.com/phpbb/ Lets start posting!!! Who is going to be first? By the way I am looking for moderators for the list if you want to help let me know.*

[asterisk-biz] Selling a Digium TDM400P w/ 4 FXO cards

2007-07-13 Thread Ken Shaw
Sorry in advance if this is slightly off topic. I'm selling a Digium TDM400P with 4 FXO ports for $300 plus $20 shipping costs. This is an authentic Digium TDM400P. It's brand-new and was only installed into a system once and then removed (we decided to go with T1 spans instead). Please email me

Re: [asterisk-biz] Better ITSP Bureau

2007-07-13 Thread Matthew Rubenstein
Whether the public statement is truth or slander is decided by the courts - not always correctly. By that point in the process, everyone has lost at least a litle. On Fri, 2007-07-13 at 12:35 -0400, Charles Vance wrote: > You can't sue me if I have stated the truth, and opinion is not > s

Re: [asterisk-biz] Better ITSP Bureau

2007-07-13 Thread Elliot Otchet
I have to agree with Matthew (and others) on the need to objectively quantify complaints against an ITSP, but I think the whole issue is speaking to a larger issue: the need to objectively quantify VoIP performance with concrete metrics under real world conditions. As many on this list may know,

Re: [asterisk-biz] IP Phone/Hard Phone

2007-07-13 Thread Aleks Clark
Seconded, although if you're a bit scared off by the pricing, snom makes decent intro phones, and they'll be physically much similar to the key system phones so common in the SMB world. On 7/13/07, W. Glenn Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Polycom (In my opinion) has the best quality.

Re: [asterisk-biz] Better ITSP Bureau

2007-07-13 Thread Charles Vance
You can't sue me if I have stated the truth, and opinion is not subject to either slander of libel. I think the "amazon" review style works. It's just an opinion and the reader can take it or leave it. - Original Message - From: Matthew Rubenstein To: W.

Re: [asterisk-biz] Better ITSP Bureau

2007-07-13 Thread Aleks Clark
I think you can solve most problems by allowing multiple viewpoints to be heard...if a provider recieves a bad review, he's more than welcome to post stats, or get one of his clients to post another review of themselves. So long as the exchange is fairly open, and carefully (not too much, and not

Re: [asterisk-biz] Better ITSP Bureau

2007-07-13 Thread Aleks Clark
Wiki is fine if all you want is a comparison table, but I think what's called for is a real site with voting, staff reviews, and user reviews. Make sure to get several viewpoints, etc. Also, that way you avoid the [citation needed] buggers >.> And of course, everything would use ReCaptcha. Improve

Re: [asterisk-biz] Better ITSP Bureau

2007-07-13 Thread Matthew Rubenstein
There's a world of distance between "100% trustworthy", and the kind of dangerously misleading info such a casual approach to public reviews can be. And considering the personalities in this community which that directory would serve, I would be surprised if someone unsatisfied with their p

Re: [asterisk-biz] IP Phone/Hard Phone

2007-07-13 Thread W. Glenn Campbell
Polycom (In my opinion) has the best quality. W. Glenn Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] NetStar Solutions, LLC. http://www.netstarsolutions.com Phone: (270) 554-6700 Fax: (502) 415-7112 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Seysan Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007

Re: [asterisk-biz] Better ITSP Bureau

2007-07-13 Thread W. Glenn Campbell
I had added this to a "hobby" site of mine a while back ( http://www.itspratings.com ), but never really did anything with it. May be time to revive it? I agree that reviews/ratings aren't 100% trustworthy, but it's a pretty good starting point for those shopping around. Do you really believe al

Re: [asterisk-biz] Better ITSP Bureau

2007-07-13 Thread Matthew Rubenstein
Actually, Wikipedia works pretty well, because its access is so open to so many people, and there is indeed a relatively trustworthy publisher which implements fairly content-neutral policies to prevent most common abuses. Smaller communities with the same model produce a much less accurate

Re: [asterisk-biz] Better ITSP Bureau (was: Re: Fed up with my ITSP)

2007-07-13 Thread Charles Vance
tut tut. The community is trustworthy. Afterall, Wickopedia works doesn't it? - Original Message - From: Matthew Rubenstein To: Al Bochter Cc: Asterisk -Biz Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 1

Re: [asterisk-biz] Fed up with my ITSP

2007-07-13 Thread Steve Totaro
Why not just use resellerratings.com system? I am sure there are already some vendors on there. Kind of pointless to re-invent a wheel as good as theirs. http://www.resellerratings.com/store/VoipSupply is on there. I didn't look too much but if it isn't there, add it. Thanks, Steve Totaro

Re: [asterisk-biz] Fed up with my ITSP

2007-07-13 Thread Darren Wiebe
Good Voipstreet Atlasvoice Thinktel Bad Livevoip :-) Darren Wiebe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Charles Vance wrote: > Good > Vitelity > Telasip > > > Bad > plainvoip > > > > - Original Message - > *From:* Aleks Clark > *To:* Commercial

[asterisk-biz] Better ITSP Bureau (was: Re: Fed up with my ITSP)

2007-07-13 Thread Matthew Rubenstein
I can't wait to see this list's typical professionalism, dispassionate critiques, sense of proportion, fair play among competitors and aversion to mere gossip and personal attacks be published in a central database that the general public will use to do business with so many companies large

Re: [asterisk-biz] Fed up with my ITSP

2007-07-13 Thread Al Bochter
To everyone on the list Please email me off the list any BAD ITSP, Voip Providers, And other Voip things you had problems with. Make SURE you provide details of what that problem you had. Let me know about the good ones too. I am going to start a list and post the details about the providers.

Re: [asterisk-biz] Fed up with my ITSP

2007-07-13 Thread Charles Vance
Good Vitelity Telasip Bad plainvoip - Original Message - From: Aleks Clark To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Fed up with m

Re: [asterisk-biz] Fed up with my ITSP

2007-07-13 Thread Aleks Clark
Word On 7/13/07, Elliot Otchet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Here Here! *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Dovid Bender *Sent:* Friday, July 13, 2007 9:16 AM *To:* asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com *Subject:* [asterisk-biz] Fed up with my ITSP Hi List, I am fed

Re: [asterisk-biz] Fed up with my ITSP

2007-07-13 Thread Elliot Otchet
Here Here! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dovid Bender Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 9:16 AM To: asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com Subject: [asterisk-biz] Fed up with my ITSP Hi List, I am fed up with one of the ITSP's. That I used to use (I don't use them any mor

[asterisk-biz] Fed up with my ITSP

2007-07-13 Thread Dovid Bender
Hi List, I am fed up with one of the ITSP's. That I used to use (I don't use them any more but still have a few DID's by them). Back in the day they were good but now they seem to be down every so often. When you call tech support they say to please wait on hold and 2-3 minutes later you hear a

Re: [asterisk-biz] Live Answering Service Beta Testers (US Based)

2007-07-13 Thread Danny Froberg
It's ok, you answered in another mail :) " All calls will be answered by operators in the US only. Since this is a melting pot I can't guarantee we will never have someone with an accent of some sort or another but we will never hire anyone that can't speak clearly and professionally in English."