Re: [asterisk-biz] OT: Paying people in faraway (Western) places.

2009-01-07 Thread randulo
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 12:41 AM, Alex Balashov wrote: > For those of you based in the US, how do you pay employees outside the > country? And, I do mean employees, not contractors, staffing firms, We have a contractor in the UK and I am in Europe. Since the UK is not in the Euro, they make it as

Re: [asterisk-biz] Flash Softphone with SIP?

2009-01-07 Thread Rehan Allah Wala
Try http://www.gtalk2voip.com/sipper/ We are using it already on super-phone.com > > Is there any flash softphone that could be used on our website (free or third > party) - without > leaving the website or downloading any activeX components, with configurable > IP? > Thanks. Rehan Ahme

Re: [asterisk-biz] OT: Paying people in faraway (Western) places.

2009-01-07 Thread Nitzan Kon
--- On Wed, 1/7/09, Patrick Davis wrote: > He may need to look after changing you the VAT or something > like that, but that is his responsibility not yours. A US company is not liable for VAT anyway. The employee however will be reliable for income taxes. In the US that's not a problem becaus

Re: [asterisk-biz] OT: Re: comepletely off topic political stuff

2009-01-07 Thread John Todd
[body deleted, and I've intentionally broken message threading on this reply] I've been watching this thread title and the related follow-ups (some with different titles) with some dismay, but I don't think at this time it is appropriate to moderate the list. Self-moderation has worked in

Re: [asterisk-biz] OT: Paying people in faraway (Western) places.

2009-01-07 Thread Nitzan Kon
--- On Wed, 1/7/09, Alex Balashov wrote: > 1. He is perfectly qualified for a fabulous range of UK IT > jobs; what > on Earth could possibly motivate him to register and form a > company to > operate out of, or deal with the complexities of remanding > taxes himself > to UK authorities? Ther

Re: [asterisk-biz] OT: Paying people in faraway (Western) places.

2009-01-07 Thread Patrick Davis
Just hire him on a contract as a consultant. As long as you don't define the time and place of work, provide tools to do the work, and he isn't working on your site you shouldn't have any problem. If you want have him write a one page proposal. There shoudn't be any withholding taxes etc. He

Re: [asterisk-biz] OT: Paying people in faraway (Western) places.

2009-01-07 Thread Nitzan Kon
--- On Wed, 1/7/09, Trixter aka Bret McDanel wrote: > its easier if you move over seas :) It doesn't matter where you live. Part of the wonderful world of being taxed by the US globally is that CFC is a CFC no matter where you live or whether it is legit or not. If you're a US citizen and own mo

Re: [asterisk-biz] OT: Paying people in faraway (Western) places.

2009-01-07 Thread Alex Balashov
I can't afford a 40% premium. No incentive whatsoever to hire him over a US-based employee at that point. 10%, we'll talk. 40%, can't do. This guy isn't looking for the sorts of benefits or other megacorporate perks that such overhead would generally justify. Dean Collins wrote: > Keep loo

Re: [asterisk-biz] OT: Paying people in faraway (Western) places.

2009-01-07 Thread Alex Balashov
Andres wrote: > Alex Balashov wrote: > >> That was the first thought I had when reading Brett's and Nitzan's >> responses. I thought about that. >> >> The problem with all these worthless staffing and recruiting parasites >> is that their markup on him is not merely "an overhead." They want a

Re: [asterisk-biz] OT: Paying people in faraway (Western) places.

2009-01-07 Thread Alex Balashov
Trixter aka Bret McDanel wrote: > On Wed, 2009-01-07 at 19:42 -0500, Alex Balashov wrote: >> The problem is, I don't want to become an "international businessman" - >> I have neither the resources nor the business case nor the capital for >> it. This UK deal is most likely a one-off; I'm not p

Re: [asterisk-biz] OT: Paying people in faraway (Western) places.

2009-01-07 Thread Nitzan Kon
--- On Wed, 1/7/09, Trixter aka Bret McDanel wrote: > The economy is down, governments are lowering taxes, they > are not able to tax as much because there is less money moving, > as a result they appear to be getting ready to be more aggressive > with people who they can squeeze. Be warned, I

Re: [asterisk-biz] OT: Paying people in faraway (Western) places.

2009-01-07 Thread Dean Collins
Keep looking, there are companies that will generally add about 40% premium which is about right. It's a PITA to do it any other way. Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Inc d...@cognation.net +1-212-203-4357 New York +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). +44-20-3129-6001 (London in-dial). > -

Re: [asterisk-biz] OT: Paying people in faraway (Western) places.

2009-01-07 Thread Andres
Alex Balashov wrote: >That was the first thought I had when reading Brett's and Nitzan's >responses. I thought about that. > >The problem with all these worthless staffing and recruiting parasites >is that their markup on him is not merely "an overhead." They want a >100%+ margin. > Hard to

Re: [asterisk-biz] OT: Paying people in faraway (Western) places.

2009-01-07 Thread Trixter aka Bret McDanel
On Wed, 2009-01-07 at 20:02 -0500, Alex Balashov wrote: > That was the first thought I had when reading Brett's and Nitzan's > responses. I thought about that. > > The problem with all these worthless staffing and recruiting parasites > is that their markup on him is not merely "an overhead."

Re: [asterisk-biz] OT: Paying people in faraway (Western) places.

2009-01-07 Thread Nitzan Kon
--- On Wed, 1/7/09, Alex Balashov wrote: > I'm guessing most people paying folks overseas sort of > do it under the table, since they can't be > 'employed' anyway, based on what you suggest. Most people don't employ people overseas directly. :) It's usually done via a foreign company in the empl

Re: [asterisk-biz] OT: Paying people in faraway (Western) places.

2009-01-07 Thread Trixter aka Bret McDanel
On Wed, 2009-01-07 at 16:39 -0800, Nitzan Kon wrote: > --- On Wed, 1/7/09, Trixter aka Bret McDanel wrote: > > > If you have a large enough base, you can legally > > (generally) avoid taxes (consult a tax advisor!) by forming > > a corporation somewhere and running all non-US stuff through > >

Re: [asterisk-biz] OT: Paying people in faraway (Western) places.

2009-01-07 Thread Alex Balashov
That was the first thought I had when reading Brett's and Nitzan's responses. I thought about that. The problem with all these worthless staffing and recruiting parasites is that their markup on him is not merely "an overhead." They want a 100%+ margin. That's going to price him well out of

Re: [asterisk-biz] OT: Paying people in faraway (Western) places.

2009-01-07 Thread Dean Collins
Contact a hire company in the UK. Have them invoice you. They pay your contractor. It will cost you an overhead over what you are paying him at the moment but this as you are rapidly finding is a well worth while premium to pay for less hassle. Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Inc d...@cognat

Re: [asterisk-biz] OT: Paying people in faraway (Western) places.

2009-01-07 Thread Trixter aka Bret McDanel
On Wed, 2009-01-07 at 19:42 -0500, Alex Balashov wrote: > The problem is, I don't want to become an "international businessman" - > I have neither the resources nor the business case nor the capital for > it. This UK deal is most likely a one-off; I'm not planning on hiring > others in the UK

Re: [asterisk-biz] OT: Paying people in faraway (Western) places.

2009-01-07 Thread Trixter aka Bret McDanel
On Wed, 2009-01-07 at 16:19 -0800, Nitzan Kon wrote: > I'm pretty sure you cannot directly employ someone who lives in > Britain in an American company. For starters it's illegal for > you to employ anyone without a valid working license in the US, > not to mention you can't withhold taxes for Bri

Re: [asterisk-biz] OT: Paying people in faraway (Western) places.

2009-01-07 Thread Alex Balashov
Trixter aka Bret McDanel wrote: > Jersey has 0% corporate tax rates (20% individual) which upsets the US > and many EU nations to no end claiming "its not fair", why they got put > on a tax haven list recently. There are other places that similarly > have good tax laws that allow you to structure

Re: [asterisk-biz] OT: Paying people in faraway (Western) places.

2009-01-07 Thread Nitzan Kon
--- On Wed, 1/7/09, Trixter aka Bret McDanel wrote: > If you have a large enough base, you can legally > (generally) avoid taxes (consult a tax advisor!) by forming > a corporation somewhere and running all non-US stuff through > there (sales, service, etc) which halts the US > from taxing glob

Re: [asterisk-biz] OT: Paying people in faraway (Western) places.

2009-01-07 Thread Trixter aka Bret McDanel
On Wed, 2009-01-07 at 19:16 -0500, Alex Balashov wrote: > BTW, it sounds from what you're saying like the most reasonable thing > might be for my employee to incorporate in Britain (not that this is > necessarily trivial, cheap, or even possible, but work with me here) and > for me to pay him as

Re: [asterisk-biz] OT: Paying people in faraway (Western) places.

2009-01-07 Thread Alex Balashov
The other thing is, for better or worse, I don't think there's anywhere where it's easier to register & incorporate a company than in the US. Everywhere else, including the UK, there seem to be far more onerous regulatory and on-hand capital requirement burdens. So, the "open a branch in the UK

Re: [asterisk-biz] OT: Paying people in faraway (Western) places.

2009-01-07 Thread Trixter aka Bret McDanel
On Wed, 2009-01-07 at 19:15 -0500, Alex Balashov wrote: > Are you serious? This is retarded. Not like "slow" retarded, more like > clinically braindead retarded. > I never said it wasnt :P > There is absolutely no reason why someone in the UK working for me > should have to give two craps ab

Re: [asterisk-biz] OT: Paying people in faraway (Western) places.

2009-01-07 Thread Alex Balashov
Nitzan Kon wrote: > --- On Wed, 1/7/09, Alex Balashov wrote: > >> Or perhaps it is that I can't actually "employ" anyone in >> Britain without being an incorporated and legally present >> entity there, and must necessarily pay them as a contractor >> across international boundaries. > > I'm p

Re: [asterisk-biz] OT: Paying people in faraway (Western) places.

2009-01-07 Thread Nitzan Kon
--- On Wed, 1/7/09, Alex Balashov wrote: > Or perhaps it is that I can't actually "employ" anyone in > Britain without being an incorporated and legally present > entity there, and must necessarily pay them as a contractor > across international boundaries. I'm pretty sure you cannot directly

Re: [asterisk-biz] OT: Paying people in faraway (Western) places.

2009-01-07 Thread Alex Balashov
BTW, it sounds from what you're saying like the most reasonable thing might be for my employee to incorporate in Britain (not that this is necessarily trivial, cheap, or even possible, but work with me here) and for me to pay him as a vendor company rather than as a 1099er or a W-2er. Trixter a

Re: [asterisk-biz] OT: Paying people in faraway (Western) places.

2009-01-07 Thread Alex Balashov
Are you serious? This is retarded. Not like "slow" retarded, more like clinically braindead retarded. There is absolutely no reason why someone in the UK working for me should have to give two craps about US taxation, or know anything about it, or even know what the IRS is. If their governme

Re: [asterisk-biz] OT: Paying people in faraway (Western) places.

2009-01-07 Thread Trixter aka Bret McDanel
On Wed, 2009-01-07 at 18:58 -0500, Alex Balashov wrote: > In this case I am more interested in the interactions with UK law than > anything else. My understanding of US law suggests pretty clearly that > I don't have to do anything on the US side for someone who is neither a > US/territory resi

Re: [asterisk-biz] OT: Paying people in faraway (Western) places.

2009-01-07 Thread Trixter aka Bret McDanel
On Wed, 2009-01-07 at 18:41 -0500, Alex Balashov wrote: > For those of you based in the US, how do you pay employees outside the > country? And, I do mean employees, not contractors, staffing firms, > body shops, consultants, or any of the stuff that comes with offshoring. > carefully :) if yo

Re: [asterisk-biz] OT: Paying people in faraway (Western) places.

2009-01-07 Thread Alex Balashov
You mean, someone working outside the country still has to have taxes withheld on their behalf as though they lived in Canada, but eventually the withheld amount is recovered? What do the employees have to do on their side? In this case I am more interested in the interactions with UK law than

Re: [asterisk-biz] OT: Paying people in faraway (Western) places.

2009-01-07 Thread Sandeep Kanao
In Canada, 6 moths less a day are 'non resident for taxation purpose'. I am talking about Canadian company dealing with Ind and Pak. Need to withhold taxes but eventually they get it back. On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Alex Balashov wrote: > > > Original Message > Subject: OT

Re: [asterisk-biz] OT: Paying people in faraway (Western) places.

2009-01-07 Thread Alex Balashov
Or perhaps it is that I can't actually "employ" anyone in Britain without being an incorporated and legally present entity there, and must necessarily pay them as a contractor across international boundaries. The problem is I just don't know. This works differently in different places. That's

[asterisk-biz] OT: Paying people in faraway (Western) places.

2009-01-07 Thread Alex Balashov
Original Message Subject: OT: Paying people in faraway (Western) places. Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2009 18:41:34 -0500 From: Alex Balashov To: Asterisk Developers list Hi everyone, I have what must be an incredibly, astoundingly stupid question, but I've never really dealt with it b

[asterisk-biz] cisco fmc iphone app

2009-01-07 Thread Dean Collins
http://www.phoneplusmag.com/hotnews/macworld-iphone-gets-cisco-fmc.html Users can use their iPhones to actively collaborate in Web meetings by viewing what's being shared, seeing the meeting participant list, seeing the active speaker and chatting with other meeting participants. Looks like

[asterisk-biz] Bulk Toll Free Numbers

2009-01-07 Thread Norman Franke
I'm attempting to find someone who can see cheap semi-custom toll frees. We groups of numbers in sets of 100. We need them to have sequential numbers in a range on the last four digits, e.g. 8900-8999 (the rest can be anything in any 8XX toll free area code block.) Verizon used to do this f

Re: [asterisk-biz] Flash Softphone with SIP?

2009-01-07 Thread Dean Collins
Phonefromhere.com / Mexuar / there is also an open source java webphone as well. Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Inc d...@cognation.net +1-212-203-4357 New York +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). +44-20-3129-6001 (London in-dial). > -Original Message- > From: asterisk-biz-boun...@lis

Re: [asterisk-biz] Flash Softphone with SIP?

2009-01-07 Thread Sandeep Kanao
Java should be good as well. Thanks. Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network -Original Message- From: "Dean Collins" Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:02:52 To: Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Flash Softphone with SIP? ___

Re: [asterisk-biz] Flash Softphone with SIP?

2009-01-07 Thread Dean Collins
Does it have to be flash? There is a few java versions. Regards, Dean Collins Cognation Inc d...@cognation.net +1-212-203-4357 New York +61-2-9016-5642 (Sydney in-dial). +44-20-3129-6001 (London in-dial). From: asterisk-biz

[asterisk-biz] Flash Softphone with SIP?

2009-01-07 Thread kirkyoungdale
Try XLite from Counterpath. We use it at our call center. KIRK Sandeep Kanao wrote: > Is there any flash softphone that could be used on our website (free or > third party) - without leaving the website or downloading any activeX > components, with configurable IP? > Thanks. -- Kirk Youngda

[asterisk-biz] Flash Softphone with SIP?

2009-01-07 Thread Sandeep Kanao
Is there any flash softphone that could be used on our website (free or third party) - without leaving the website or downloading any activeX components, with configurable IP? Thanks. ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com--

[asterisk-biz] Survey systems - anything out there?

2009-01-07 Thread kirkyoungdale
Contact Mr. Mario Kresliin at Aheeva in Montreal. They have an excellent outbound call center solution with all of the features and interfaces you could ask for. 514-223-2581 www.aheeva.com Matt Florell wrote: > On 1/7/09, John Todd wrote: > > > > Let's assume that the following query

Re: [asterisk-biz] Survey systems - anything out there?

2009-01-07 Thread Michael Kaspar
I do not know the platform but here is the one many auto dealers use. http://whoscalling.com/Q/MarketQuest_VoiceQUEST.htm Good luck MK -Original Message- From: asterisk-biz-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-biz-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Matt Florell Sent: Wednesday,

Re: [asterisk-biz] Survey systems - anything out there?

2009-01-07 Thread Matt Florell
On 1/7/09, John Todd wrote: > > Let's assume that the following query is being made by someone who is > not an annoying spammer, which I have reasonable belief is the > case. :-) > > I'm looking for anyone who is selling/providing an Asterisk-based > platform that creates outbound surveys to

Re: [asterisk-biz] Survey systems - anything out there?

2009-01-07 Thread Nir Simionovich
Hey John, Funny enough, we have two products that can be tied together to provide exactly that function. One product is a high-powered dialer API, capable of generating up to 35 calls per second, using either VoIP or TDM. The second product is an IVR framework. Both are fully XML-RPC

[asterisk-biz] Portable conference system

2009-01-07 Thread kirkyoungdale
Try the Polycom SoundStation 2W. It has a headset jack, and is used in a wireless environment. It can be connected via a base station to a physical line with an office, or can use the headset jack to work off of a cell phone. In vehicles, it is less effective because of the ambient noise, but in

Re: [asterisk-biz] Portable conference system

2009-01-07 Thread Michael S. White
Wednesday, January 07, 2009 12:22 PM Randulo Wrote: >Hi, >Does anyone make hardware to attach to a cellphone that would improve >the audio in both directions enough so that it could serve as a >speakerphone in a meeting? Second, for a 3g phone, is it feasible to >sit such a phone at a table duri

Re: [asterisk-biz] OT: Re: comepletely off topic political stuff

2009-01-07 Thread Alexander Lopez
SNIP I do not favor a moderated list. Let readers moderate for themselves. Self Regulaton!!!Like Wall Street and the Mortgage Industry! Awsome Sign! I know, I know, OT ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digi

Re: [asterisk-biz] Moderated this list, the same people who complain about spam seem to be the biggest spammers

2009-01-07 Thread Mitul Limbani
Well I guess you got no idea wat an OT means v/s SPAM Messaging "Thanks" with a huge signature on a digest subject line = SPAM Regards, Mitul Limbani, Founder & CEO, Enterux Solutions Pvt Ltd, The Enterprise Linux Company(r), http://www.enterux.com/ On 07-Jan-09, at 23:12, voicein wrote: Mod

[asterisk-biz] Moderated this list, the same people who complain about spam seem to be the biggest spammers

2009-01-07 Thread voicein
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Re: [asterisk-biz] ATA Bank for Asterisk, 400 phones

2009-01-07 Thread Alex Balashov
Amen. On Jan 7, 2009, at 12:02 PM, Ken Rice wrote: > Just a dump question buy why not deploy something like a TNT or > other DS3 > SIP -> TDM... Then you can peal out T1s for PSTN interconnections if > required and peal out something to hang normal channel banks, and take > advantage of offloa

Re: [asterisk-biz] Portable conference system

2009-01-07 Thread Cory Andrews
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Re: [asterisk-biz] OT: Re: comepletely off topic political stuff

2009-01-07 Thread Bill Michaelson
Kristian Kielhofner wrote: On 1/7/09, Steve Totaro wrote: I am totally against moderation (ie stripping freedom of speech). Skip the post if you don't want to read it (like the Viagra stuff that has hit the lists). The title was not deceptive, so skip it. I'll take the occasional

[asterisk-biz] Portable conference system

2009-01-07 Thread randulo
Hi, Does anyone make hardware to attach to a cellphone that would improve the audio in both directions enough so that it could serve as a speakerphone in a meeting? Second, for a 3g phone, is it feasible to sit such a phone at a table during a meeting for 30 minutes or more so that the person on t

Re: [asterisk-biz] ATA Bank for Asterisk, 400 phones

2009-01-07 Thread Ken Rice
Just a dump question buy why not deploy something like a TNT or other DS3 SIP -> TDM... Then you can peal out T1s for PSTN interconnections if required and peal out something to hang normal channel banks, and take advantage of offloading all the dsp work and interupt load onto something that's actu

Re: [asterisk-biz] OT: Re: comepletely off topic political stuff

2009-01-07 Thread Kristian Kielhofner
On 1/7/09, Steve Totaro wrote: > > > I am totally against moderation (ie stripping freedom of speech). > > Skip the post if you don't want to read it (like the Viagra stuff that > has hit the lists). The title was not deceptive, so skip it. > > I have subscribed to these lists for many years,

Re: [asterisk-biz] Survey systems - anything out there?

2009-01-07 Thread randulo
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Geoff Love wrote: > I'm interested in an open discussion about this. > > Please send private or public replies - the archives will benefit from > any results in a public forum. > > Well said. I agree, this and all applications. Remember the VoipSupply contest for

Re: [asterisk-biz] ATA Bank for Asterisk, 400 phones

2009-01-07 Thread Gregory Boehnlein
> I have used the Vega with good results. The version I used did 24 ports in 1U, but they also have a 48port in >1U model. > >See http://www.vegastream.com/vegastream-portfolio/vega5000.asp > >OP did not spec, but he may wish to have gateways distributed if not all phones come back to a central MDF

Re: [asterisk-biz] Survey systems - anything out there?

2009-01-07 Thread Geoff Love
I'm interested in an open discussion about this. Please send private or public replies - the archives will benefit from any results in a public forum. Well said. Thanks, Geoff Love Teliax https://rails.den.teliax.com/employees/11 On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 8:48 AM, Steve Totaro wrote: > On

Re: [asterisk-biz] OT: Re: comepletely off topic political stuff

2009-01-07 Thread Steve Totaro
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Steve Totaro wrote: > On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Richard Lyman wrote: >> Trixter aka Bret McDanel wrote: >>> On Wed, 2009-01-07 at 10:00 +, Abdul Hakeem wrote: >>> Conscience is the motor that drives any business. Proclaiming 'I am not the one

Re: [asterisk-biz] ATA Bank for Asterisk, 400 phones

2009-01-07 Thread Gregory Boehnlein
> > Have you done this in production? Is there an actual case study > and/or > > company that is doing this with the hardware that I can speak with? > > I'd like > > to see what performance is like with 256 active channels on a USB > bus. > > Here are some practical test done by Xorcom. Depending

Re: [asterisk-biz] Survey systems - anything out there?

2009-01-07 Thread BJ Weschke
John Todd wrote: > Let's assume that the following query is being made by someone who is > not an annoying spammer, which I have reasonable belief is the > case. :-) > > I'm looking for anyone who is selling/providing an Asterisk-based > platform that creates outbound surveys to customers us

Re: [asterisk-biz] ATA Bank for Asterisk, 400 phones

2009-01-07 Thread Jerry Jones
I have used the Vega with good results. The version I used did 24 ports in 1U, but they also have a 48port in 1U model. See http://www.vegastream.com/vegastream-portfolio/vega5000.asp OP did not spec, but he may wish to have gateways distributed if not all phones come back to a central MDF.

Re: [asterisk-biz] OT: Re: comepletely off topic political stuff

2009-01-07 Thread Steve Totaro
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Richard Lyman wrote: > Trixter aka Bret McDanel wrote: >> On Wed, 2009-01-07 at 10:00 +, Abdul Hakeem wrote: >> >>> Conscience is the motor that drives any business. Proclaiming 'I am >>> not the one living in poverty in Gaza' does not strike that cord of >>> c

Re: [asterisk-biz] comepletely off topic political stuff

2009-01-07 Thread Sergey Tamkovich
Pedram M wrote: > As much as I agree, however I still do believe business and politics > are very closely tied together in the world we live in today... :) Well, may be you are a communist? :)) "Politics is the most concentrated expression of economics" (c) V. I. Lenin > > Regards, > Pedram > > O

[asterisk-biz] OT: Re: comepletely off topic political stuff

2009-01-07 Thread Richard Lyman
Trixter aka Bret McDanel wrote: > On Wed, 2009-01-07 at 10:00 +, Abdul Hakeem wrote: > >> Conscience is the motor that drives any business. Proclaiming 'I am >> not the one living in poverty in Gaza' does not strike that cord of >> compassion, at least in my book. One might even be tempted t

Re: [asterisk-biz] Survey systems - anything out there?

2009-01-07 Thread Steve Totaro
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 10:40 AM, John Todd wrote: > > Let's assume that the following query is being made by someone who is > not an annoying spammer, which I have reasonable belief is the > case. :-) > > I'm looking for anyone who is selling/providing an Asterisk-based > platform that creates ou

[asterisk-biz] Survey systems - anything out there?

2009-01-07 Thread John Todd
Let's assume that the following query is being made by someone who is not an annoying spammer, which I have reasonable belief is the case. :-) I'm looking for anyone who is selling/providing an Asterisk-based platform that creates outbound surveys to customers using Asterisk as the core

Re: [asterisk-biz] ATA Bank for Asterisk, 400 phones

2009-01-07 Thread Rob Lith
Greg On 7 Jan 2009, at 15:45, Gregory Boehnlein wrote: >> I would like to add some information about the capacity of the USB >> 2.0 >> connection. The USB 2.0 interface provides a theoretical speed of >> 480,000,000 bits per second. A typical uncompressed phone >> conversation >> uses about 6

Re: [asterisk-biz] Why so many children have been killed in Iraselbomb attack

2009-01-07 Thread Bill Michaelson
Indeed, point taken. And if I were to interpret your statement as a claim to higher moral or intellectual ground for Israelis, then I would say this thread is rife with irony. But I won't. David Gibbons wrote: Bill: There is a bit of irony in accusing the Israelis of failing to recognize a

Re: [asterisk-biz] Why so many children have been killed in Iraselbomb attack

2009-01-07 Thread David Gibbons
Bill: There is a bit of irony in accusing the Israelis of failing to recognize and understand the thoughts and work of Levinas, don't you think? From: asterisk-biz-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-biz-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Bill Michaelson Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 20

Re: [asterisk-biz] Why so many children have been killed in War

2009-01-07 Thread Brad Belton
lol...gotta love Yossi's words of wisdom in his last sentence. Very true... Brad -Original Message- From: asterisk-biz-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-biz-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of I put the Who? in Mishehu Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 8:01 AM To: re...@super

Re: [asterisk-biz] Why so many children have been killed in Irasel bomb attack

2009-01-07 Thread I put the Who? in Mishehu
I have two comments here: 1. Get your facts straight. 2. Post this to the appropriate venue. What does Asterisk-Biz have to do with "Cast Lead" and Kassam & Grad rockets being launched from Gaza for the past 9 months or more? Closure of Gaza did not occur until very recently. Take this to

Re: [asterisk-biz] comepletely off topic political stuff

2009-01-07 Thread Pedram M
As much as I agree, however I still do believe business and politics are very closely tied together in the world we live in today... :) Regards, Pedram On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 5:28 AM, Nir Simionovich wrote: > I agree with Bret, > > This is the Asterisk-BIZ list, not the Daily-Political-Flame l

Re: [asterisk-biz] Why so many children have been killed in Iraselbomb attack

2009-01-07 Thread Bill Michaelson
Your rejoinder is extremely ironic. I read the statement "I am not the one living in poverty in Gaza" as a disclaimer of experience, and as such, an implicit statement of compassion and a declaration and admission of the writer's inability to fully appreciate the depth of the despair. In MY b

Re: [asterisk-biz] ATA Bank for Asterisk, 400 phones

2009-01-07 Thread Julian Lyndon-Smith
How does the XR055 compare with, say, a TE412P ? Does anyone have any non-subjective views ? ;) Julian Ruth Bridger wrote: > I would like to add some information about the capacity of the USB 2.0 > connection. The USB 2.0 interface provides a theoretical speed of > 480,000,000 bits per second. A

Re: [asterisk-biz] ATA Bank for Asterisk, 400 phones

2009-01-07 Thread Gregory Boehnlein
> I would like to add some information about the capacity of the USB 2.0 > connection. The USB 2.0 interface provides a theoretical speed of > 480,000,000 bits per second. A typical uncompressed phone conversation > uses about 64,000 bits per second per direction, plus some overhead; in > total les

Re: [asterisk-biz] comepletely off topic political stuff

2009-01-07 Thread Nir Simionovich
I agree with Bret, This is the Asterisk-BIZ list, not the Daily-Political-Flame list. We're here to talk Asterisk and Business, nothing else. Who ever wants to read my opinions on the matter, is welcome to visit my blog at http://www.simionovich.com Trixter aka Bret McDanel wrote: > On Wed, 2

Re: [asterisk-biz] ATA Bank for Asterisk, 400 phones

2009-01-07 Thread Gregory Boehnlein
> Greg, > > Pair of sangoma and we are talking of really powerful machine, I would > rather put two low cost server hardware or buy 2 x XR30xx series > hardware each connected with 8 astribank and can handle upto 800+ > phones. Have you ever actually done this in production? Has anyone actually r

Re: [asterisk-biz] ATA Bank for Asterisk, 400 phones

2009-01-07 Thread Ruth Bridger
I would like to add some information about the capacity of the USB 2.0 connection. The USB 2.0 interface provides a theoretical speed of 480,000,000 bits per second. A typical uncompressed phone conversation uses about 64,000 bits per second per direction, plus some overhead; in total less than 200

Re: [asterisk-biz] Why so many children have been killed in Iraselbomb attack

2009-01-07 Thread Rehan Allah Wala
I would strongly recommend all to view and read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip > > Conscience is the motor that drives any business. Proclaiming 'I am not the > one living in poverty in > Gaza' does not strike that cord of compassion, at least in my book. One might > even be tempted

Re: [asterisk-biz] Why so many children have been killed in Iraselbomb attack

2009-01-07 Thread Rehan Allah Wala
well only 1 million people live there, are they going to kill them all soon, so we can get over with this ? > Photos are not necessary. That's why the Israeli govt blocked all > journalists from reaching Gaza. > Even, we should all ignore the UN Charters and International Convention on > war cr

Re: [asterisk-biz] Why so many children have been killed in Irasel bomb attack

2009-01-07 Thread Rehan Allah Wala
hi Andy I am sorry that people are making fun of you on this mailing list, The reason being that it is not happening in their own back yard However the problem is caused due to many reasons i guess, and to Isreali's it is war and they are taking the killing of childrens as part of the war. D

Re: [asterisk-biz] Political b/s.

2009-01-07 Thread Nitzan Kon
--- On Wed, 1/7/09, Abdul Hakeem wrote: > Let's just get on with biz This is a business list. We don't care about the Gaza situation. Either talk BUSINESS or go away. -- Nitzan ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api

Re: [asterisk-biz] Why so many children have been killed in Iraselbomb attack

2009-01-07 Thread Abdul Hakeem
Photos are not necessary. That's why the Israeli govt blocked all journalists from reaching Gaza. Even, we should all ignore the UN Charters and International Convention on war crime's definition of attacks on schools, hospitals and places of worship. Let's just get on with biz -Or

[asterisk-biz] comepletely off topic political stuff

2009-01-07 Thread Trixter aka Bret McDanel
On Wed, 2009-01-07 at 10:00 +, Abdul Hakeem wrote: > Conscience is the motor that drives any business. Proclaiming 'I am > not the one living in poverty in Gaza' does not strike that cord of > compassion, at least in my book. One might even be tempted to say I am > not the guy sitting on the 82

Re: [asterisk-biz] Why so many children have been killed in Iraselbomb attack

2009-01-07 Thread Abdul Hakeem
Conscience is the motor that drives any business. Proclaiming 'I am not the one living in poverty in Gaza' does not strike that cord of compassion, at least in my book. One might even be tempted to say I am not the guy sitting on the 82nd floor of WTC on 9/11. Let's be compassionate ...guys ! If it

Re: [asterisk-biz] Why so many children have been killed in Irasel bomb attack

2009-01-07 Thread Rehan Allah Wala
Any Photos of those? > > Because Hamas terrorist are firing rockets on Israeli children from schools > and civilian houses. > > > >  www.tikalnetworks.com > Alexander Argov CEO > Mobile +972 (52) 3682486 > Tel +972 (3) 9279100  > Fax +972 (3) 9279121P > POB 13317 Tel Aviv 61132 > > email: a.