Re: [asterisk-biz] Vonage Vs. Verizon Update

2007-03-28 Thread sip
On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 15:45:50 -0500, Eric \"ManxPower\" Wieling wrote > Matthew Rubenstein wrote: > > That's not a change in the status of the case. Vonage lost in that > > District Court, supposedly setting them up for an appeal in the court > > where actual patent and IP expertise is available

RE: [asterisk-biz] Vonage Vs. Verizon Update

2007-03-27 Thread Matthew Rubenstein
ECTED]; Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk > > Discussion > > Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Vonage Vs. Verizon Update > > > > Matthew Rubenstein wrote: > > > That's not a change in the status of the case. Vonage lost in > that > > > District Co

RE: [asterisk-biz] Vonage Vs. Verizon Update

2007-03-27 Thread Steve Totaro
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-biz- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric "ManxPower" Wieling > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 3:46 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk > Discussion > Subjec

Re: [asterisk-biz] Vonage Vs. Verizon Update

2007-03-26 Thread Eric "ManxPower" Wieling
Matthew Rubenstein wrote: That's not a change in the status of the case. Vonage lost in that District Court, supposedly setting them up for an appeal in the court where actual patent and IP expertise is available. Verizon is just hitting Vonage with an injunction to enforce the patents fo

Re: [asterisk-biz] Vonage Vs. Verizon Update

2007-03-25 Thread Steve Totaro
Mark C wrote: Steve Totaro wrote: A hardware provider and a service provider are two completely different animals. It is legal (in Maryland anyways) to sell products such drug paraphernalia, it only becomes a problem when it is used. Thanks Steve This is not entirely true. A product manuf

Re: [asterisk-biz] Vonage Vs. Verizon Update

2007-03-25 Thread Matt
CTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Brian Fertig *Sent:* Saturday, 24 March 2007 10:14 PM *To:* 'Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion' *Subject:* RE: [asterisk-biz] Vonage Vs. Verizon Update Kristian the astlinux guy and the last name that is almost impossible t

Re: [asterisk-biz] Vonage Vs. Verizon Update

2007-03-25 Thread Mark C
Steve Totaro wrote: A hardware provider and a service provider are two completely different animals. It is legal (in Maryland anyways) to sell products such drug paraphernalia, it only becomes a problem when it is used. Thanks Steve This is not entirely true. A product manufactured with t

Re: [asterisk-biz] Vonage Vs. Verizon Update

2007-03-24 Thread Steve Totaro
Senad Jordanovic wrote: Steve Totaro wrote: A hardware provider and a service provider are two completely different animals. It is legal (in Maryland anyways) Agree... to sell products such drug paraphernalia, it only becomes a problem when it is used. Thanks Steve So

RE: [asterisk-biz] Vonage Vs. Verizon Update

2007-03-24 Thread Senad Jordanovic
Steve Totaro wrote: > A hardware provider and a service provider are two completely > different animals. > > It is legal (in Maryland anyways) Agree... to sell products such drug > paraphernalia, it only becomes a problem when it is used. > > Thanks > Steve So.. Why mention this and puttin

Re: [asterisk-biz] Vonage Vs. Verizon Update

2007-03-24 Thread Steve Totaro
um.com *Subject:* Re: [asterisk-biz] Vonage Vs. Verizon Update I'm curious Vonage is using off the shelf (as they say) equipment... available, probably, from Cisco. Can anyone sum up what the patents (3) say, and how Vonag

RE: [asterisk-biz] Vonage Vs. Verizon Update

2007-03-24 Thread Senad Jordanovic
Cisco is MUCH smarter, in my opinion to get them self into that mess... Senad www.bicomsystems.com _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: 25 March 2007 02:02 To: asterisk-biz@lists.digium.com Subject: Re: [asterisk-biz] Vonage Vs. Verizon

RE: [asterisk-biz] Vonage Vs. Verizon Update

2007-03-24 Thread Dean Collins
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Fertig Sent: Saturday, 24 March 2007 10:14 PM To: 'Commercial and Business-Oriented Asterisk Discussion' Subject: RE: [asterisk-biz] Vonage Vs. Verizon Update Kristian the astlinux guy and the last name that

RE: [asterisk-biz] Vonage Vs. Verizon Update

2007-03-24 Thread Brian Fertig
/07 @ 10:00. (Court Reporter Linnell.) (tarm, ) (Entered: 03/08/2007)" I'm no attorney. Hopefully someone else can make more sense out of this. WARNING: Watch this thread - I am sure a long rant is to follow!!! -- Kristian Kielhofner -- .

Re: [asterisk-biz] Vonage Vs. Verizon Update

2007-03-24 Thread Peter Beckman
On Sat, 24 Mar 2007, Matthew Rubenstein wrote: That's not a change in the status of the case. Vonage lost in that District Court, supposedly setting them up for an appeal in the court where actual patent and IP expertise is available. Verizon is just hitting Vonage with an injunction to

Re: [asterisk-biz] Vonage Vs. Verizon Update

2007-03-24 Thread Matt
I'm curious Vonage is using off the shelf (as they say) equipment... available, probably, from Cisco. Can anyone sum up what the patents (3) say, and how Vonage infringed? ___ --Bandwidth and Colocation provided by Easynews.com -- asterisk-biz ma

Re: [asterisk-biz] Vonage Vs. Verizon Update

2007-03-24 Thread Matthew Rubenstein
That's not a change in the status of the case. Vonage lost in that District Court, supposedly setting them up for an appeal in the court where actual patent and IP expertise is available. Verizon is just hitting Vonage with an injunction to enforce the patents found infringed in this first

Re: [asterisk-biz] Vonage Vs. Verizon Update

2007-03-24 Thread Steve Totaro
Why go after the little guys? Can they pay out $52,000,000 in damages? Do they pose any real threat while they are little? It makes more sense to let them get big and then cut their legs off, steal their wallet, and their customers. I wonder how many not very technical people using Vonage

RE: [asterisk-biz] Vonage Vs. Verizon Update

2007-03-24 Thread Brian Fertig
Sucks to be them but what about the rest of us? I wonder if Verizon will be ballsy enough to come after every little guy.. -- ::. Brian Fertig Director of Engineering Molten, Inc. Delaware Office Office 800.418.4380 x 160 Direct 302.338.9601 From: [EMAIL P