[asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread asterisk-users
Hello. I am looking for details of the maximum allowed/usable/effective wire/cable length of the connection from a FXS port of Digium analog cards to the analog telephone handset. To clarify my intention, I need to have an analog telephone connection to my asterisk box that is 3000 meters (

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread Danny Nicholas
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 9:09 AM To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' Subject: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port Hello. I am looking for details of the maximum allowed/usable/effective wire/cable length of the connect

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread Lyle Giese
asterisk-us...@rogg.is wrote: > > Hello. > > > > I am looking for details of the maximum allowed/usable/effective > wire/cable length of the connection from a FXS port of Digium analog > cards to the analog telephone handset. > > > > To clarify my intention, I need to have an analog telephone c

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread David Gibbons
holas Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:41 AM To: bald...@rogg.is; 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port The best a native cat5 can run is 100 meters. Unless you like paying your telco

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread randulo
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Danny Nicholas wrote: > I run my analog telco over cat5, but that's in-house and definitely not 3km. > That sounds really far for current loop stuff. I was doing that too. I asked this same question a few years ago and the answer was 100-200 meters. This is just

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread Jeff LaCoursiere
On Tue, 26 May 2009, Steve Howes wrote: > On 26 May 2009, at 16:39, Jeff LaCoursiere wrote: >> YMMV > > I think thats the problem :D sorry couldn't resist.. > I did kind of mean that tounge-in-cheek :):) j ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread Steve Howes
On 26 May 2009, at 16:39, Jeff LaCoursiere wrote: > YMMV I think thats the problem :D sorry couldn't resist.. ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by http://www.api-digital.com -- asterisk-users mailing list To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit:

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread Jeff LaCoursiere
On Tue, 26 May 2009, randulo wrote: > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Danny Nicholas wrote: >> I run my analog telco over cat5, but that's in-house and definitely not 3km. >> That sounds really far for current loop stuff. > > I was doing that too. I asked this same question a few years ago and

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread John Novack
That is a pretty long run. The type of analog phone can be an issue. How LITTLE loop current will it operate on? Most need more than 20 Ma to signal properly, and the voltage output of the ATA needs to be known Type of signaling? DTMF? pulse? Interconnection cable wire size and capacitance will

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 05:39:46PM +0200, randulo wrote: > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Danny Nicholas wrote: > > I run my analog telco over cat5, but that's in-house and definitely not > > 3km. That sounds really far for current loop stuff. > > I was doing that too. I asked this same questi

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread Miguel Molina
randulo escribió: On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Danny Nicholas wrote: I run my analog telco over cat5, but that's in-house and definitely not 3km. That sounds really far for current loop stuff. I was doing that too. I asked this same question a few years ago and the answer was 100

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread Heath Roberts
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 10:09 AM, wrote: > I am looking for details of the maximum allowed/usable/effective > wire/cable length of the connection from a FXS port of Digium analog cards > to the analog telephone handset. > > > > To clarify my intention, I need to have an analog telephone connecti

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread Cary Fitch
List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port That is a pretty long run. The type of analog phone can be an issue. How LITTLE loop current will it operate on? Most need more than 20 Ma to signal properly, and the voltage output

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread John Novack
@lists.digium.com] *On Behalf Of *Danny > Nicholas > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:41 AM > *To:* bald...@rogg.is; 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial > Discussion' > *Subject:* Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone > from FXS port >

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread Jon Pounder
Miguel Molina wrote: > randulo escribió: >> On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Danny Nicholas wrote: >> >>> I run my analog telco over cat5, but that's in-house and definitely not >>> 3km. That sounds really far for current loop stuff. >>> >> >> I was doing that too. I asked this same quest

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread Jeff LaCoursiere
igium.com] On Behalf Of >> asterisk-us...@rogg.is >> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 9:09 AM >> To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' >> Subject: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS >> port >> >> >

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread Cary Fitch
Excellent analysis of the real world. Start with this, and work out the issues, or go to VOIP. Cary Fitch _ From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Wilton Helm Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:33 AM To: 'Asterisk Us

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread Wilton Helm
There are a lot of factors that impact this. First, CAT 5, while usable is overkill. Cat 3 (otherwise known as I/O wire) works equally well for voice grade lines. That being said, for that long a run, a heavier gauge wire would be better. I believe telcos use 18 - 22 guage (Cat 5 and Cat 3 a

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread Jon Pounder
Wilton Helm wrote: one thing I missed mentioning about fxs devices - the linksys/sipura ones actually allow you to set line characteristics on the slic inside it. you can vary from the 600ohm default, and tweak gains a bit. Some mix of a capacitive line or different resistance may help. never t

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread Wilton Helm
t: Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port I could be wrong but I don't think the cat5 limit of 100 meters applies to any analog signaling over that copper. I believe it only applies to Ethernet signaling.

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread Jon Pounder
:* Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion > *Subject:* Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone > from FXS port > > I could be wrong but I don’t think the cat5 limit of 100 meters > applies to any analog signaling over that copper.

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread Danny Nicholas
List - Non-Commercial Discussion Cc: bald...@rogg.is Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port On Tue, 26 May 2009, Danny Nicholas wrote: > The best a native cat5 can run is 100 meters. Unless you like paying your > telco huge bucks, you should

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:44:26PM -0400, Jon Pounder wrote: > Wilton Helm wrote: > > one thing I missed mentioning about fxs devices - the linksys/sipura > ones actually allow you to set line characteristics on the slic inside > it. you can vary from the 600ohm default, and tweak gains a bit. S

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread Steve Underwood
Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 05:39:46PM +0200, randulo wrote: > >> On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Danny Nicholas wrote: >> >>> I run my analog telco over cat5, but that's in-house and definitely not >>> 3km. That sounds really far for current loop stuff. >>> >>

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread Steve Johnson
For long distances, a wireless point-to-point might be more economical than trenching. e.g: Carlson Wideband CDMA Spread Spectrum Phone Line Extender http://www.oksolar.com/communications/phone_line_ext.htm ___ -- Bandwidth and Colocation Provided by ht

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread Jeff LaCoursiere
drop. j > > > _ > > From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com > [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of > asterisk-us...@rogg.is > Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 9:09 AM > To: 'Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion' > Subject:

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread Hans Witvliet
On Tue, 2009-05-26 at 10:26 -0400, John Novack wrote: > That is a pretty long run. > The type of analog phone can be an issue. How LITTLE loop current will > it operate on? Most need more than 20 Ma to signal properly, and the > voltage output of the ATA needs to be known > Type of signaling? DTMF?

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread asterisk-users
gt; Sent: 26. maí 2009 19:42 > To: novacks...@gmail.com; Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial > Discussion > Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone > from FXS port > > I would suggest making a wifi connection with directional hi-gain > antenn

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread John Novack
t;> -Original Message- >> From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users- >> boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Hans Witvliet >> Sent: 26. maí 2009 19:42 >> To: novacks...@gmail.com; Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial >> Discussion >> S

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread Jon Pounder
al Message- >> From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users- >> boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Hans Witvliet >> Sent: 26. maí 2009 19:42 >> To: novacks...@gmail.com; Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial >> Discussion >>

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread Jon Pounder
o do >> this. >> >> tnx! >> >> Baldvin >> >> >> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users- >>> boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Hans Witvlie

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread Hans Witvliet
On Tue, 2009-05-26 at 21:29 +, asterisk-us...@rogg.is wrote: > Appreciate all your input folks. Much of it very helpful in the greater > context of the initial question. > > Thank you for the suggestion of using various wireless devices, but I'm > stuck with fixed wiring since this is a securi

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread Lyle Giese
t; available ATA boxes. The Sapura box suggestion may be something and I'll >>> look closer into that as well as continuing to look for other ways to do >>> this. >>> >>> tnx! >>> >>> Baldvin >>> >>> >>>

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread John Novack
Jon Pounder wrote: > John Novack wrote: >> If this is an emergency phone situation then I would question the >> wisdom of even considering using Asterisk. >> Conventional telephony solutions exist that will easily cover the >> loop length and provide the reliability that should be required by

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread Wilton Helm
[snip] >You may be able to boost the battery voltage with a simple dc adapter in >series to get the line build out capability you need. Just make sure its >floating with respect to ground and wire it in. Don't be afraid of >hurting the phone, you won't. But it is possible to hurt the ATA if it

Re: [asterisk-users] Maximum cable length for analog phone from FXS port

2009-05-26 Thread Tzafrir Cohen
On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 07:52:53PM +0300, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 12:44:26PM -0400, Jon Pounder wrote: > > Wilton Helm wrote: > > > > one thing I missed mentioning about fxs devices - the linksys/sipura > > ones actually allow you to set line characteristics on the slic ins