Asterisk Users,
I recently ran into some problems with the quality of service with Teliax.
This occurred on August 1, 2007 with a dropped outbound call, audio
quality isse on the callee side- not hearing me well on callee side, and
sending DTMF tones (configured for RFC2833). Am I the only
There is a strong possibility that the problem is on your side. Are you
using a cable or dsl? What are your download and upload speeds? Are you
doing any kind of traffic shaping?
You will not get a guarantee of QoS from any provider. They cannot
control what is happening on your end or what hap
John Meksavan wrote:
> Asterisk Users,
>
> I recently ran into some problems with the quality of service with
> Teliax. This occurred on August 1, 2007 with a dropped outbound call,
> audio quality isse on the callee side- not hearing me well on callee
> side, and sending DTMF tones (configur
At 09:23 AM 8/2/2007, you wrote:
> I recently ran into some problems with the quality of service with
> Teliax. This occurred on August 1, 2007 with a dropped outbound
> call, audio quality isse on the callee side- not hearing me well on
> callee side, and sending DTMF tones (configured for RF
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ira
> Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 10:01 AM
> To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
> Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Teliax Quality of Service
On 8/2/07, John Meksavan wrote:
> Asterisk Users,
>
> I recently ran into some problems with the quality of service with Teliax.
> This occurred on August 1, 2007 with a dropped outbound call, audio
> quality isse on the callee side- not hearing me well on callee side, and
> sending DTMF tones
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>Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Teliax Quality of Service
>Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 16:40:27 -0400
>
> On 8/2/07, John Meksavan
> Any good SIP providers out there?
It really depends where you are. We're serving pretty much only Los
Angeles and Seattle rather than the entire US, and thus by focusing
our efforts on those limited markets we can achieve pretty good
quality and reliability. Servers are <15 ms away, less poten
On Aug 2 2007, John Meksavan wrote:
>Asterisk Users,
>
> I recently ran into some problems with the quality of service with
> Teliax.
> This occurred on August 1, 2007 with a dropped outbound call, audio
> quality isse on the callee side- not hearing me well on callee side, and
> sending DTMF
Haudy Kazemi wrote:
> On Aug 2 2007, John Meksavan wrote:
>
>
>> Asterisk Users,
>>
>> I recently ran into some problems with the quality of service with
>> Teliax.
>> This occurred on August 1, 2007 with a dropped outbound call, audio
>> quality isse on the callee side- not hearing me well
Douglas Garstang wrote:
> I confused by this. Don't ITSP's have redundancy? Don't they have
> multiple edge systems for accepting incoming calls? Don't their multiple
> edge systems have multiple interfaces, connected to multiple subnets,
> via multiple switches? And, don't they have multiple upstr
Stephen Bosch wrote:
> Douglas Garstang wrote:
>
>> I confused by this. Don't ITSP's have redundancy? Don't they have
>> multiple edge systems for accepting incoming calls? Don't their multiple
>> edge systems have multiple interfaces, connected to multiple subnets,
>> via multiple switches? And
SIP wrote:
> There are also lots of big carriers masquerading as big carriers. ;)
*lol*
> If the ONLY people who could get into the business were the ones who
> could, before offering any services to customers, afford to build out
> multiple edge systems for accepting incoming calls, each with
Stephen Bosch wrote:
> Douglas Garstang wrote:
>
>>I confused by this. Don't ITSP's have redundancy? Don't they have
>>multiple edge systems for accepting incoming calls? Don't their multiple
>>edge systems have multiple interfaces, connected to multiple subnets,
>>via multiple switches? And, don'
From: SIP
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 2:57 PM
>Stephen Bosch wrote:
>> Douglas Garstang wrote:
>>
>>> I confused by this. Don't ITSP's have redundancy? Don't they have
>>> multiple edge systems for accepting incoming calls? Don't their multiple
>>> edge systems have multiple interfaces, con
Trevor G. Hammonds wrote:
> From: SIP
> Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 2:57 PM
>
>
>> Stephen Bosch wrote:
>>
>>> Douglas Garstang wrote:
>>>
>>>
I confused by this. Don't ITSP's have redundancy? Don't they have
multiple edge systems for accepting incoming calls? Don't
I don't think creating a network without a single point of failure is
unreasonable.
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Sent: Sat 8/4/2007 3:07 PM
To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Teliax Qu
On 5 Aug 2007, at 06:54, Douglas Garstang wrote:
> I don't think creating a network without a single point of failure
> is unreasonable.
It's impossible. I can't think of a single example where this
actually exists.
Getting even close is hideously expensive.
Tim, speaking for himself :-)
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Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Teliax Quality of Service
On 5 Aug 2007, at 06:54, Douglas Garstang wrote:
> I don't think creating a network without a single point of failure
> is unreasonable.
It's impossible. I can&#
equipment does not add value, or
> is a worthless endeavour.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Tim Panton
> Sent: Sun 8/5/2007 5:01 AM
> To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
> Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Teliax Quality of Ser
You know the problem is that most consumers think that it is possible to get
the best and the most reliable for almost nothing.
They go out with this expectation and get the cheapest, then when it bites them
a few times, they scream "why me".
-- Original Message ---
If the provider is selling the service and you are paying for the
service the provider should give you the best service.
If the provider can't give you the BEST service at that price then the
provider SHOULD charge more and not waste my time.
The providers are charging LOW PRICES to get custome
Tim Panton wrote:
> On 5 Aug 2007, at 06:54, Douglas Garstang wrote:
>
>
>> I don't think creating a network without a single point of failure
>> is unreasonable.
>>
>
> It's impossible. I can't think of a single example where this
> actually exists.
>
> Getting even close is hideously
Douglas Garstang wrote:
> I don't think creating a network without a single point of failure is
> unreasonable.
How often have you built a network without a single point of failure?
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Douglas Garstang wrote:
> Let's assume for a moment that it's impossible. That does not mean adding
> additional servers and additional networking equipment does not add value, or
> is a worthless endeavour.
I agree with that. At least two people that I know run ITSPs. Each
time they have an
Anthony Francis wrote:
> Tim Panton wrote:
>
>> On 5 Aug 2007, at 06:54, Douglas Garstang wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> I don't think creating a network without a single point of failure
>>> is unreasonable.
>>>
>>>
>> It's impossible. I can't think of a single example where this
>
Steve Totaro wrote:
> Anthony Francis wrote:
>
>> Tim Panton wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On 5 Aug 2007, at 06:54, Douglas Garstang wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
I don't think creating a network without a single point of failure
is unreasonable.
Eric "ManxPower" Wieling wrote:
> Douglas Garstang wrote:
>> Let's assume for a moment that it's impossible. That does not mean adding
>> additional servers and additional networking equipment does not add value,
>> or is a worthless endeavour.
>
> I agree with that. At least two people that I
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 8:56 AM
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> Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Teliax Quality of Service
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users-
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> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 9:42 AM
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> Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Teliax Quality of
> -Original Message-
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> Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Teliax Quality of Service
Douglas Garstang wrote:
> This might work for a web service, but people have a zero tolerance for
> no phone service. They expect to be able to pick up their handset, and
> get a functional dialtone immediately.
>
> Adding additional servers, additional network components, and some
> smarts into y
Douglas Garstang wrote:
> Yes, all the equipment was located at the same physical location. In
> hindsight, we could have multi-homed our collocations. Why can't service
> providers multi home their edge systems to accept incoming calls from
> two physical locations? If a service provider did this,
Stephen Bosch wrote:
>
> PSTN service still sets the standard.
>
With infrastructure paid for under a gracious guaranteed-profit monopoly
by ratepayers, now being used as a weapon to stifle competition from
VoIP, cable, and other emerging technologies.
b.
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Steve Totaro wrote:
>What if a train derails and slices through the main fiber connections.
>OK, so you have XO, Global Crossing, Verizon, and UCN all for
>redundancy. Well guess what? They are all most likely running over
>those strands of fiber. You better have a VSAT connection too!
>
Brian Capouch wrote:
> Stephen Bosch wrote:
>
>> PSTN service still sets the standard.
>>
>>
>
> With infrastructure paid for under a gracious guaranteed-profit monopoly by
> ratepayers,
At least in the US, this hasn't been done for many a year.
There is no LEGAL monopoly. There is, in
Douglas Garstang wrote:
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users-
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of SIP
>> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 8:56 AM
>> To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion
>> Subject: Re
Mark Coccimiglio wrote:
> Steve Totaro wrote:
>
>
>> What if a train derails and slices through the main fiber connections.
>> OK, so you have XO, Global Crossing, Verizon, and UCN all for
>> redundancy. Well guess what? They are all most likely running over
>> those strands of fiber. You
ng List - Non-Commercial Discussion
>>> Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Teliax Quality of Service
>>>
>>> Steve Totaro wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Anthony Francis wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony Francis
> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 7:29 AM
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> Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Teliax
Brian Capouch wrote:
> Stephen Bosch wrote:
>
>> PSTN service still sets the standard.
>>
>
> With infrastructure paid for under a gracious guaranteed-profit monopoly
> by ratepayers,
In a regulated marketplace with legislated minimum service levels.
In Canada, most of the phone systems were g
Douglas Garstang wrote:
> So you've never gotten a dropped call or dead air on a PSTN call? Put it
> in a little perspective.
I can count on one hand the number of outages of this kind that I've had
on PSTN in my lifetime.
Your mileage may vary.
-Stephen-
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Mark Coccimiglio wrote:
> Single point of failure should NEVER completely disable your company.
> Yes outages happen and backhoe's cut fibre all the time. From within
> this stuff can make one's life rather difficult, but from the outside it
> should be almost unnoticed. When was the last time
Stephen Bosch wrote:
>Of course not -- but how many hundreds of millions have been invested in
>their infrastructure?
>
>
You missed the point. The standard formula I use is "5 days out" or
more precisely 2% of gross revenues each year. For google its still a
kings ransom, but for a small
Mark Coccimiglio wrote:
> Stephen Bosch wrote:
>
>
>> Of course not -- but how many hundreds of millions have been invested in
>> their infrastructure?
>>
>>
>>
> You missed the point. The standard formula I use is "5 days out" or
> more precisely 2% of gross revenues each year. For go
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Bosch
> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 10:06 AM
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> Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Teliax Quality of
Steve Totaro wrote:
>Setup those cell phones to use chan_mobile and you have a very nice
>solution. Unless the phones are assigned to people who use them as
>their own. You could possibly add some lines on a family plan $10/mo
>extra w/T-Mobile and use those strictly as PSTN fialover lines.
On Aug 6, 2007, at 10:42 AM, Stephen Bosch wrote:
> Eric "ManxPower" Wieling wrote:
>> Douglas Garstang wrote:
>>> Let's assume for a moment that it's impossible. That does not
>>> mean adding additional servers and additional networking
>>> equipment does not add value, or is a worthless end
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:asterisk-users-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andres Paglayan
> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 1:06 PM
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> Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] Teliax
Douglas Garstang wrote:
>>> Stephen Bosch wrote:
>> In Canada, most of the phone systems were government-owned. It was a
>> good system, at least from the point of view of reliability. I don't
>> miss the surly (and often slow) service, but it's arguable whether
>> today's service -- in which every
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