[asterisk-users] life safety system and VOIP

2009-02-17 Thread Jason Aarons (US)
http://www.iccsafe.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=001650 ;p=1 I can't see the Dept Transportation running copper to all the motorist aid boxes along the highway. I thought most of your alarm panels have moved to GSM/CDMA backup communications. I'd like to see a fire marshall

Re: [asterisk-users] life safety system and VOIP

2009-02-17 Thread Jeff LaCoursiere
What do you suppose we have as liability if we are asked to install such systems? Is it the responsibility of the business owner that orders the system to meet all applicable codes? If (god forbid) someone was hurt in such a situation and the alarm didn't get passed because of being

Re: [asterisk-users] life safety system and VOIP

2009-02-17 Thread Jon Pounder
Jason Aarons (US) wrote: In general in the terminology for this stuff supervised just means the system its referring to not only knows when something bad is happening, it also is constantly told everything is ok, and timing out waiting for that ok is also an indication of a problem. There is

Re: [asterisk-users] life safety system and VOIP

2009-02-17 Thread Jon Pounder
Jeff LaCoursiere wrote: What do you suppose we have as liability if we are asked to install such systems? Is it the responsibility of the business owner that orders the system to meet all applicable codes? If (god forbid) someone was hurt in such a situation and the alarm didn't get

Re: [asterisk-users] life safety system and VOIP

2009-02-17 Thread Jeff LaCoursiere
I think the BAT SIGNAL is the answer. POTS lines have their issues as well - how many times did we redial to get into our ISP's in the mid nineties? I have trouble believing the fire code actually spells out that dedicated POTS lines must be used. Regradless I think another hold harmless

Re: [asterisk-users] life safety system and VOIP

2009-02-17 Thread Don E. Wisdom
On 2/17/09 2:05 PM, Jon Pounder j...@inline.net wrote: Jeff LaCoursiere wrote: What do you suppose we have as liability if we are asked to install such systems? Is it the responsibility of the business owner that orders the system to meet all applicable codes? If (god forbid) someone was

Re: [asterisk-users] life safety system and VOIP

2009-02-17 Thread Jeff LaCoursiere
On Tue, 17 Feb 2009, Don E. Wisdom wrote: In a REAL emergency internet/cell is more likely to fail than the phone companys pots network. Cable/DSLAM etc only have about 4 hours of battery power. The CO has a entire battery room which will last a whole lot longer. Not to mention that

Re: [asterisk-users] life safety system and VOIP

2009-02-17 Thread Jon Pounder
Don E. Wisdom wrote: On 2/17/09 2:05 PM, Jon Pounder j...@inline.net wrote: Jeff LaCoursiere wrote: What do you suppose we have as liability if we are asked to install such systems? Is it the responsibility of the business owner that orders the system to meet

Re: [asterisk-users] life safety system and VOIP

2009-02-17 Thread Jon Pounder
Jeff LaCoursiere wrote: I think the BAT SIGNAL is the answer. POTS lines have their issues as well - how many times did we redial to get into our ISP's in the mid nineties? I have trouble believing the fire code actually spells out that dedicated POTS lines must be used. its the

Re: [asterisk-users] life safety system and VOIP

2009-02-17 Thread Jonn Taylor
Jon Pounder wrote: Don E. Wisdom wrote: On 2/17/09 2:05 PM, Jon Pounder j...@inline.net wrote: Jeff LaCoursiere wrote: What do you suppose we have as liability if we are asked to install such systems? Is it the responsibility of the business owner that orders the

Re: [asterisk-users] life safety system and VOIP

2009-02-17 Thread Jason Aarons (US)
in New Orleans for months. From: asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com [mailto:asterisk-users-boun...@lists.digium.com] On Behalf Of Jonn Taylor Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 5:09 PM To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion Subject: Re: [asterisk-users] life safety system

Re: [asterisk-users] life safety system and VOIP

2009-02-17 Thread John Novack
Jonn Taylor wrote: Jon Pounder wrote: Don E. Wisdom wrote: On 2/17/09 2:05 PM, Jon Pounder j...@inline.net wrote: Jeff LaCoursiere wrote: What do you suppose we have as liability if we are asked to install such systems? Is it the responsibility of the business owner

Re: [asterisk-users] life safety system and VOIP

2009-02-17 Thread Jonn Taylor
John Novack wrote: Jonn Taylor wrote: Jon Pounder wrote: Don E. Wisdom wrote: On 2/17/09 2:05 PM, Jon Pounder j...@inline.net wrote: Jeff LaCoursiere wrote: What do you suppose we have as liability if we are asked to install such systems? Is it the

Re: [asterisk-users] life safety system and VOIP

2009-02-17 Thread Wilton Helm
The dial tone for the phone line still comes from the CO. The phone companies loop there copper cable in and out of the remote cabinets. Remote terminals are served by T1 or higher density carrier circuits, which can be either copper or fiber, often employing statistical multiplexing. While

Re: [asterisk-users] life safety system and VOIP

2009-02-17 Thread Dave Platt
In Florida some new subdivision developers have sold the phone/cable/internet rights to a provider. They run fiber to each house and then have the uplink to provider which isn't a traditional telco. You can't get another provider as satellite dishes are limited in covenants and restrictions