> I think it comes down to tolerances. Some days I am far less tolerant than
> others when it comes to people who just don't want to put forward any effort.
>
> Today was particularly bad and if I was a smarter person, would probably
> refrain from reading the list at all. I don't always sel
> Most of those people who tend to scold every newbie are probably
> "elitist pretenders". If they were truly elite, they would be too busy
> to read and reply to such posts. Of course some of us are just
> impatient, regardless of our skill level.
Very well said!
Now back to helping those th
Andrew Kohlsmith wrote:
I can't tell if you're on "my side" of this debate or not, because you sure
sound like it. :-)
I'm on "my side" and always on the side of the serious and earnest end
user. I live in a sparsely populated rural area. Most of the locals
can't afford to pay for computer
On March 5, 2005 04:49 pm, Paul Fielding wrote:
> Geepers man. Looking at the last couple of times you tried to 'educate'
> someone, I don't see anything in their messages that sound like "I need X
> done **RIGHT NOW**!! I DEMAND HELP!!". Uneducated and demanding are not
> necessarily the same t
On March 5, 2005 04:57 pm, Paul wrote:
> FWIW - some of us have paying customers and helping them takes absolute
> over helping newbies who won't try to help themselves first. Some of
> them actually are capable of reading and studying the information
> already out there, but they are also selfish
Andrew Kohlsmith wrote:
On March 5, 2005 02:46 pm, Paul wrote:
Maybe one of the free web-based forum packages will eventually offer an
"elitist" or "impatient" mode. Before you can post, you do the required
reading and pass online exams. The idea is to weed out people who think
README is just an
- Original Message -
From: "Andrew Kohlsmith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I think where the problem comes in is that people take this forum to be
asterisk-biz half the time. "I need X done **RIGHT NOW**!! I DEMAND
HELP!!"
-- take it to -biz, there are dozens if not hundreds of consultants who
Well, considering I'm on topic, I shouldn't get flamed to badly for this. I
have a bunch of these working well in my home experiments:
http://www.laptops4me.com/product_info.php/products_id/1444
And yes that price is correct and they do arrive. :)
Not everyone can justify buying the "supported"
On March 5, 2005 02:46 pm, Paul wrote:
> Maybe one of the free web-based forum packages will eventually offer an
> "elitist" or "impatient" mode. Before you can post, you do the required
> reading and pass online exams. The idea is to weed out people who think
> README is just another geek buzzword
On March 5, 2005 02:30 pm, Mike Dent wrote:
> There is a difference when you are that childs father or mother but
> you are neither?
You have a point, but... (read on)
> Do you stop people in the street when you see them doing things wrong
> and try and tell them "you shouldn't be doing it like t
Mike Dent wrote:
And if nobody's going to educate the newbies, then how will they ever learn?
Do you believe in letting your children do whatever they want, too? There
are 'defacto' rules for any system. No, I don't have my shiny ListCop
There is a difference when you are that childs father
On Sat, 2005-03-05 at 19:30 +, Mike Dent wrote:
> >
> > And if nobody's going to educate the newbies, then how will they ever learn?
> > Do you believe in letting your children do whatever they want, too? There
> > are 'defacto' rules for any system. No, I don't have my shiny ListCop
>
> Th
>
> And if nobody's going to educate the newbies, then how will they ever learn?
> Do you believe in letting your children do whatever they want, too? There
> are 'defacto' rules for any system. No, I don't have my shiny ListCop
There is a difference when you are that childs father or mother bu
- Original Message -
There is a LOT of traffic on this list about products that are not
supplied by Digium. Do you want to exclude those also?
The Sangoma guys typically handle support for their own product, even on
this
list. Atacomm's card hasn't hit the market yet. The Sipura people
On March 5, 2005 12:02 pm, John Novack wrote:
> Since Digium no longer suppliers this card, they were denied NOTHING!
They offer comparable hardware. TDM410P is $113.
> There is a LOT of traffic on this list about products that are not
> supplied by Digium. Do you want to exclude those also?
Th
On March 5, 2005 11:57 am, Dave Cotton wrote:
> Just a question, where's the Dev Lite Kit on Digium's site?
I meant "Dev Kit" and you're right, it's an FXO and FXS on the carrier card.
US$195.
> The PCI Dev kit would give him an FXO and an FXS which may be more than
> some people want, perhaps
On March 5, 2005 11:01 am, Andrew Kohlsmith wrote:
> specifically these types of problems. Maybe someone else on this list is
> more forgiving than I am but I really hope not.
I apologize for this remark. I still do feel, though, that if you're this new
to asterisk that you should have purchase
On March 5, 2005 12:22 pm, Rich Adamson wrote:
> There seems to be about a half dozen "self-appointed" list cops, and
> none of them speak for Mark, digium or asterisk. Several of those are
> lurking on this list only to find fresh meat to sell their services to.
> It's obvious who they are.
I hav
Andrew Kohlsmith wrote:
On March 5, 2005 08:14 am, Androtech wrote:
I bought one "Trust 56k V92 PCI Internal Modem MD-1100" which has the 1057
Motorola Chip, and I installed it on my linux box.
When I try to load the module wcfxo, I cannot load it (zaptel is already
loaded):
Not to
Rich Adamson wrote:
There seems to be about a half dozen "self-appointed" list cops, and none of
them speak for Mark, digium or asterisk. Several of those are lurking on this list only
to find fresh meat to sell their services to.
It's obvious who they are.
Indeed.
Much easier to config the
> Ummm... This isn't a Digium Run list. This is a Digium sponsored list. My
> understanding (someone please correct me if I'm wrong) is that this list *is
> not* a Digium support list. This list is a forum for Asterisk discussion by
> users. As such, I would suggest that all topics of discus
gards,
Paul
- Original Message -
From: "Andrew Kohlsmith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 9:01 AM
Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] X100P Clone, Which one?
On March 5, 2005 08:14 am, Androtech wrote:
I bought one "Trust 56k V92 PCI Internal Modem MD-1100&q
Andrew Kohlsmith wrote:
On March 5, 2005 08:14 am, Androtech wrote:
I bought one "Trust 56k V92 PCI Internal Modem MD-1100" which has the 1057 Motorola Chip, and I installed it on my linux box.
When I try to load the module wcfxo, I cannot load it (zaptel is
On Sat, 2005-03-05 at 11:01 -0500, Andrew Kohlsmith wrote:
> On March 5, 2005 08:14 am, Androtech wrote:
> > I bought one "Trust 56k V92 PCI Internal Modem MD-1100" which has the 1057
> > Motorola Chip, and I installed it on my linux box.
>
> > When I try to load the module wcfxo, I cannot load it
On March 5, 2005 08:14 am, Androtech wrote:
> I bought one "Trust 56k V92 PCI Internal Modem MD-1100" which has the 1057
> Motorola Chip, and I installed it on my linux box.
> When I try to load the module wcfxo, I cannot load it (zaptel is already
> loaded):
Not to rub salt in the wound, but do
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