Re: PaceMustUnderstandElement

2005-01-14 Thread Bill de hÓra
Sorry Tim, one more concern and I'm done. I think mU introduces scenarios where content cannot be safely or properly processed without looking to the metadata for control codes, ie metadata no longer is advisory or supplementary information. I suspect this is a significant innovation in feed

Re: PaceMustUnderstandElement

2005-01-14 Thread Bill de hÓra
Tim Bray wrote: +1. The objections to this fall into two forms: 1. We don't have prior art in the syndication space that proves this is needed. 2. This is someone else's problem, e.g. SOAP I can see both those arguments, but when I re-visit and re-read this, the implementation is so

Re: PaceExtensibilityAndVersioning

2005-01-14 Thread Robert Sayre
Tim Bray wrote: -0 I could live with this, but I think PaceMustUnderstandElement buys 80% of the benefit with 20% of the cost/apparatus. -Tim -1. I suspect everyone else giving PaceMustUnderstand -1s will feel the same. Robert Sayre

Re: PaceMinimalEntryVersioning

2005-01-14 Thread Robert Sayre
Tim Bray wrote: -1 I think this issue has been discussed to death and the current consensus around atom:id and atom:updated will meet users' needs simply and elegantly. Trying to achieve consensus on a generalized abstract model of versioning is doomed to failure. -Tim -1 as well. Robert

Feed, know thyself?

2005-01-14 Thread Danny Ayers
I was just in the middle of putting the world to rights regarding feed discovery/subscription from browsers [1] when something occurred to me. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't one of the solutions for this to serve the feed with the Atom mime type, which will trigger an appropriate handler in

atom:contributor

2005-01-14 Thread David Powell
The semantics of atom:contributor weren't obvious to me. Is this correct: atom:feed/atom:head/atom:author is a syntactic default for all entries that are missing an author. atom:feed/atom:head/atom:contributor is a set of regular contributors and authors of a feed, which may or may not have

Re: Feed, know thyself?

2005-01-14 Thread Robert Sayre
Danny Ayers wrote: Thing is, with the spec as it currently stands, we don't have a link from the feed that can be guarenteed to point to the feed URI itself. That's not a very robust way to accomplish the goal. People tend to use cp without thinking about these things. The browser vendors will

Re: Feed, know thyself?

2005-01-14 Thread John Panzer
Hmmm. Not looking at the spec, but at the feeds we're currently producting for AOL Journals, our feeds have link rel=service.feed ... essentially pointing to themselves, which I yesterday thought was redundant but perhaps is actually useful. Useful enough to be mandatory, perhaps? -John Danny

Re: Feed, know thyself?

2005-01-14 Thread Eric Scheid
On 15/1/05 7:37 AM, Danny Ayers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I remember correctly from previous discussions, there is a little snag with most browsers only passing the data, not the source URI. Thing is, with the spec as it currently stands, we don't have a link from the feed that can be