Re: AD Evaluation of draft-ietf-atompub-protocol-11

2006-10-18 Thread Sylvain Hellegouarch
> My assumption: a client cannot create a media resource without also > creating a media link entry. When I POST a media resource to a > collection, a media link entry is *always* created. Same here. Lisa what do you mean by creating a media resource manually? If you do not use an APP service t

Question on undefinedAttribute/Content

2006-10-18 Thread Jan Algermissen
Hi, RFC4287 distinguishes between 'undefined' and 'extension' constructs. I am understanding the distinction to imply that conformant software should provide for handling extension elements, but can and should ignore any occurrences of undefinedAttribute or undefinedContent. Is that unde

Re: AD Evaluation of draft-ietf-atompub-protocol-11

2006-10-18 Thread Andreas Sewe
James M Snell wrote: Lisa Dusseault wrote: Explicit result of POST, section 4. Are there zero, one or more resources created with a POST? There's a line at the top of section 4 which says that "POST is used to create a new, dynamically-named, resource". However, that implies ONE, whereas wit

Re: Question on undefinedAttribute/Content

2006-10-18 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* Jan Algermissen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-10-18 10:45]: > RFC4287 distinguishes between 'undefined' and 'extension' > constructs. I am understanding the distinction to imply that > conformant software should provide for handling extension > elements, but can and should ignore any occurrences of

Re: AD Evaluation of draft-ietf-atompub-protocol-11

2006-10-18 Thread Henry Story
On 18 Oct 2006, at 01:40, James M Snell wrote: [snip] The spec says "The value of atom:updated is only changed when the change to a member resource is considered significant. " The use of passive voice obscures who does what here. When the client doesn't suggest a value for "atom:updated",

Re: AD Evaluation of draft-ietf-atompub-protocol-11

2006-10-18 Thread Henry Story
Many thanks to Lisa for the lengthy and detailed comments. I am just replying to those comments relating to the parts of the spec I understand best. On 18 Oct 2006, at 01:40, James M Snell wrote: *Synchronization* I predict that some AtomPub authoring clients will attempt to synchronize:

Re: AD Evaluation of draft-ietf-atompub-protocol-11

2006-10-18 Thread James M Snell
No, it means only that it's the server's responsibility to determine when atom:updated should be updated and when it shouldn't. If the server wishes to delegate that responsibility to the client, then that's fine. - James Henry Story wrote: > [snip] > Completely disagree. > If the server contro

Re: AD Evaluation of draft-ietf-atompub-protocol-11

2006-10-18 Thread Henry Story
On 18 Oct 2006, at 16:10, John Panzer wrote: My assumption: Tim is correct. The server controls atom:updated. While the client is required to provide a valid atom:updated element, the server can (and in most cases will) ignore that value. Completely disagree. If the server con

Re: Question on undefinedAttribute/Content

2006-10-18 Thread Thomas Broyer
2006/10/18, A. Pagaltzis: * Jan Algermissen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-10-18 10:45]: > RFC4287 distinguishes between 'undefined' and 'extension' > constructs. I am understanding the distinction to imply that > conformant software should provide for handling extension > elements, but can and shou

Re: AD Evaluation of draft-ietf-atompub-protocol-11

2006-10-18 Thread Henry Story
On 18 Oct 2006, at 16:34, James M Snell wrote: No, it means only that it's the server's responsibility to determine when atom:updated should be updated and when it shouldn't. If the server wishes to delegate that responsibility to the client, then that's fine. Is this not splitting hairs a

Re: AD Evaluation of draft-ietf-atompub-protocol-11

2006-10-18 Thread James M Snell
I think it is important in order to make the distinction between whether the server MUST, SHOULD or MAY accept the atom:updated value provided by the client. I would argue that it needs to be a MAY with a clear statement that allowing the client to set the value is quite likely going to be very u