Re: PaceAtomIdDos posted (was Re: Consensus snapshot, 2005/05/25)

2005-05-26 Thread Bill de hÓra
James M Snell wrote: Ignoring the overhead that it adds for now, isn't this the kind of situation digital signatures are designed to handle? Yes. Norm and I have mentioned this as well. I do not think we can solve this problem by patching the Atom level, ensuring that the Atom level can

Re: PaceAtomIdDos posted (was Re: Consensus snapshot, 2005/05/25)

2005-05-26 Thread Antone Roundy
On Wednesday, May 25, 2005, at 06:14 PM, James M Snell wrote: Ignoring the overhead that it adds for now, isn't this the kind of situation digital signatures are designed to handle? Sure, but how many publishers are going to be using digital signatures in the near term (and more importantly,

Re: PaceAtomIdDos posted (was Re: Consensus snapshot, 2005/05/25)

2005-05-26 Thread Antone Roundy
On Thursday, May 26, 2005, at 08:04 AM, A. Pagaltzis wrote: * Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-05-25 23:00]: How is this a Denial of service attack? Isn't it just ordinary spoofing/impersonation? Indeed; Id like to see this reworded to refer to spoofing, as thats what it is. I presume the

Re: PaceAtomIdDos posted (was Re: Consensus snapshot, 2005/05/25)

2005-05-26 Thread James M Snell
Antone Roundy wrote: On Wednesday, May 25, 2005, at 06:14 PM, James M Snell wrote: Ignoring the overhead that it adds for now, isn't this the kind of situation digital signatures are designed to handle? Sure, but how many publishers are going to be using digital signatures in the near

PaceAtomIdDos posted (was Re: Consensus snapshot, 2005/05/25)

2005-05-25 Thread Antone Roundy
On Wednesday, May 25, 2005, at 01:20 PM, Graham wrote: On 25 May 2005, at 7:35 pm, Antone Roundy wrote: If multiple atom:entry elements originating in the same Atom feed have the same atom:id value, whether they exist simultaneously in one document or in different instances of the feed

Re: PaceAtomIdDos posted (was Re: Consensus snapshot, 2005/05/25)

2005-05-25 Thread Graham
On 25 May 2005, at 9:01 pm, Antone Roundy wrote: 8.5 Denial of Service Attacks Atom Processors should be aware of the potential for denial of service attacks where the attacker publishes an atom:entry with the atom:id value of an entry from another feed, and perhaps with a falsified

Re: PaceAtomIdDos posted (was Re: Consensus snapshot, 2005/05/25)

2005-05-25 Thread Antone Roundy
On Wednesday, May 25, 2005, at 02:49 PM, Graham wrote: On 25 May 2005, at 9:01 pm, Antone Roundy wrote: 8.5 Denial of Service Attacks Atom Processors should be aware of the potential for denial of service attacks where the attacker publishes an atom:entry with the atom:id value of an entry

Re: PaceAtomIdDos posted (was Re: Consensus snapshot, 2005/05/25)

2005-05-25 Thread Graham
On 25 May 2005, at 10:05 pm, Antone Roundy wrote: But is it not potentially a DOS? The Good Guy publishes an entry. The Bad Guy copies the atom:id of that entry into an entry with different content, gives it a later atom:updated, and publishes it. The aggregator stops

Re: PaceAtomIdDos posted (was Re: Consensus snapshot, 2005/05/25)

2005-05-25 Thread James M Snell
Please forgive me for stepping in here, because of the recent list volume I've only been able to partially pay attention to this discussion, but I just wanted to make a quick observation.. Ignoring the overhead that it adds for now, isn't this the kind of situation digital signatures are

Re: PaceAtomIdDos posted (was Re: Consensus snapshot, 2005/05/25)

2005-05-25 Thread Tim Bray
On May 25, 2005, at 1:49 PM, Graham wrote: Atom Processors should be aware of the potential for denial of service attacks where the attacker publishes an atom:entry with the atom:id value of an entry from another feed, and perhaps with a falsified atom:source element duplicating the