Re: PaceEnclosuresAndPix status

2005-02-03 Thread Mark Nottingham
Just a point of data; most logos are designed to look good at a 1-to-1 aspect ratio. On Jan 24, 2005, at 5:25 PM, Tim Bray wrote: On Jan 24, 2005, at 5:18 PM, Joe Gregorio wrote: +1 Should there be a suggested size for images? A suggested aspect ratio, actually. Drat. Brent Simmons loved this

Re: PaceEnclosuresAndPix status

2005-02-03 Thread Norman Walsh
/ Tim Bray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: | On Jan 26, 2005, at 7:16 PM, Graham wrote: | |> Can you outline the problem[s] that having a icon link tag in the |> feed might cause? HTML already has a meta tag for it, so it seems |> like a simple feature-parity issue. | | Well, I don't think we

Re: PaceEnclosuresAndPix status

2005-01-29 Thread Eric Scheid
On 29/1/05 5:15 PM, "Asbjørn Ulsberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I know what we're talking about and still don't understand why embedding > so-called «favorite icons» is so wildely different from embedding other > types of graphical objects in feeds (at all levels) that it has to be done > in a

Re: PaceEnclosuresAndPix status

2005-01-28 Thread Asbjørn Ulsberg
On Sat, 29 Jan 2005 16:47:09 +1100, Eric Scheid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Maybe "image" is the wrong name for the concept. We're not talking about some random image associated with some entity, we're talking about a branding badge or logo of some kind which is representative of the feed. I know

Re: PaceEnclosuresAndPix status

2005-01-28 Thread Eric Scheid
On 29/1/05 4:22 PM, "Asbjørn Ulsberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> http://www.intertwingly.net/wiki/pie/PaceIconAndImage > > Nice. But if we have both atom:icon and atom:image for the feed, why do we > need to do all kinds of wierd stuff to have images attached to Atom > entries? Can't atom

Re: PaceEnclosuresAndPix status

2005-01-28 Thread Asbjørn Ulsberg
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 22:12:41 +1100, Eric Scheid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://www.intertwingly.net/wiki/pie/PaceIconAndImage Nice. But if we have both atom:icon and atom:image for the feed, why do we need to do all kinds of wierd stuff to have images attached to Atom entries? Can't a

Re: PaceEnclosuresAndPix status

2005-01-27 Thread Antone Roundy
On Wednesday, January 26, 2005, at 10:40 PM, Eric Scheid wrote: so, "icon" ... or "favicon". I prefer the latter. I prefer the former. "favicon" => "favorites icon". I think "favorites" is a bad name for bookmarks--a person's reason for bookmarking something (or in the case of Atom, subscribin

Re: PaceEnclosuresAndPix status

2005-01-27 Thread Eric Scheid
On 27/1/05 7:26 PM, "Henri Sivonen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd prefer an element, because the nature of the favicon reference is > not that a user would want to manually follow the link. That is: > > or I've drafted a Pace for this... http://www.intertwingly.net/wiki/pie/PaceIconAn

Re: PaceEnclosuresAndPix status

2005-01-27 Thread Henri Sivonen
On Jan 27, 2005, at 07:40, Eric Scheid wrote: agreed, a single term @rel value is preferred. I'd prefer an element, because the nature of the favicon reference is not that a user would want to manually follow the link. That is: or -- Henri Sivonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://iki.fi/hsivonen/

Re: PaceEnclosuresAndPix status

2005-01-26 Thread Eric Scheid
On 27/1/05 3:38 PM, "Sam Ruby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> atom:@rel doesn't allow for multiple space delimited values. >> >> e. > > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/2003Jun/0133.html agreed, a single term @rel value is preferred. the "shortcut icon" thing is borked ... the link

Re: PaceEnclosuresAndPix status

2005-01-26 Thread Eric Scheid
On 27/1/05 3:01 PM, "Tim Bray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> For quite some time, my XHTML has contained the following: >> >> >> >> Question: would it be of value to people like Graham and Brent if we >> were to "register" this rel value for Atom feeds? > > Heh, didn't know that. Much bett

Re: PaceEnclosuresAndPix status

2005-01-26 Thread Sam Ruby
Eric Scheid wrote: On 27/1/05 2:25 PM, "Sam Ruby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: For quite some time, my XHTML has contained the following: Question: would it be of value to people like Graham and Brent if we were to "register" this rel value for Atom feeds? that's not "a" value. that's two @rel value

Re: PaceEnclosuresAndPix status

2005-01-26 Thread Tim Bray
On Jan 26, 2005, at 7:25 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html/2003Jun/0132.html For quite some time, my XHTML has contained the following: Question: would it be of value to people like Graham and Brent if we were to "register" this rel value for Atom feeds? Heh, di

Re: PaceEnclosuresAndPix status

2005-01-26 Thread Tim Bray
On Jan 26, 2005, at 7:16 PM, Graham wrote: Can you outline the problem[s] that having a icon link tag in the feed might cause? HTML already has a meta tag for it, so it seems like a simple feature-parity issue. Well, I don't think we're after feature-parity with HTML :) Seriously, the existing "H

Re: PaceEnclosuresAndPix status

2005-01-26 Thread Brent Simmons
On Jan 26, 2005, at 7:25 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: Tim Bray wrote: On Jan 26, 2005, at 5:54 PM, Brent Simmons wrote: I agree with that. It's something many feed producers care about -- I get email just about every day asking how to make a favicon appear in my software. And I always wish I could say th

Re: PaceEnclosuresAndPix status

2005-01-26 Thread Eric Scheid
On 27/1/05 2:25 PM, "Sam Ruby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For quite some time, my XHTML has contained the following: > > > > Question: would it be of value to people like Graham and Brent if we > were to "register" this rel value for Atom feeds? that's not "a" value. that's two @rel values

Re: PaceEnclosuresAndPix status

2005-01-26 Thread Sam Ruby
Tim Bray wrote: On Jan 26, 2005, at 5:54 PM, Brent Simmons wrote: I agree with that. It's something many feed producers care about -- I get email just about every day asking how to make a favicon appear in my software. And I always wish I could say that there's a way to specify it in the feed.

Re: PaceEnclosuresAndPix status

2005-01-26 Thread Graham
On 27 Jan 2005, at 2:24 am, Tim Bray wrote: Uh, the way browsers do it is just like the way robots.txt works. They do a GET on "/favicon.ico", hardwired path, and (at least some of them) just silently ignore it if it's not 16x16. This sucks (just like /robots.txt sucks) because if you have mul

Re: PaceEnclosuresAndPix status

2005-01-26 Thread Tim Bray
On Jan 26, 2005, at 5:54 PM, Brent Simmons wrote: I agree with that. It's something many feed producers care about -- I get email just about every day asking how to make a favicon appear in my software. And I always wish I could say that there's a way to specify it in the feed. I would favor sp

Re: PaceEnclosuresAndPix status

2005-01-26 Thread Tim Bray
On Jan 26, 2005, at 5:03 PM, Graham wrote: What's our story on favicons? Quite a few programs support them and most presumably do it by guessing the URI from the feed URI (or possibly downloading the home page and looking for the URI there). I think it's a hole in RSS that needs plugging by us.

Re: PaceEnclosuresAndPix status

2005-01-26 Thread Brent Simmons
On Jan 26, 2005, at 5:03 PM, Graham wrote: On 26 Jan 2005, at 8:00 pm, Tim Bray wrote: Hearing no objections, I modified the Pace to say the image SHOULD have an aspect ratio of 2 (horizontal) to 1 (vertical). -Tim What's our story on favicons? Quite a few programs support them and most presuma

Re: PaceEnclosuresAndPix status

2005-01-26 Thread Graham
On 26 Jan 2005, at 8:00 pm, Tim Bray wrote: Hearing no objections, I modified the Pace to say the image SHOULD have an aspect ratio of 2 (horizontal) to 1 (vertical). -Tim What's our story on favicons? Quite a few programs support them and most presumably do it by guessing the URI from the feed

Re: PaceEnclosuresAndPix status

2005-01-26 Thread Tim Bray
On Jan 24, 2005, at 5:25 PM, Tim Bray wrote: On Jan 24, 2005, at 5:18 PM, Joe Gregorio wrote: +1 Should there be a suggested size for images? A suggested aspect ratio, actually. Drat. Brent Simmons loved this idea, and I meant to update the draft. Would anyone be upset if I updated the draft t

Re: PaceEnclosuresAndPix status

2005-01-26 Thread Danny Ayers
+1. (with proposed tweaks) On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 04:44:46 -0500, Dan Brickley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > * Ray Slakinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-01-25 10:40-0500] > > > > +1 from me, I'm happy to see this added! > > +1 likewise to http://www.intertwingly.net/wiki/pie/PaceEnclosuresAndPix >

Re: PaceEnclosuresAndPix status

2005-01-26 Thread Dan Brickley
* Ray Slakinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-01-25 10:40-0500] > > +1 from me, I'm happy to see this added! +1 likewise to http://www.intertwingly.net/wiki/pie/PaceEnclosuresAndPix Dan > On 24-Jan-05, at 7:18 PM, Tim Bray wrote: > >If there were no further discussion: Got no -1's, seems useful, n

Re: PaceEnclosuresAndPix status

2005-01-25 Thread Eric Scheid
On 26/1/05 3:59 AM, "Asbjørn Ulsberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> -0.7. Turns into a kitchen sink by using it to point to things >> that are intended to be pre-fetched and presented along with the content > > I agree. I think we should have chosen another element name. turns > out to be HTM

Re: PaceEnclosuresAndPix status

2005-01-25 Thread Lucas Gonze
A suggestion on drafting of the pace: cardinality should be stated. The idea of multiple parallel elements formatted per PaceEnclosuresAndPix was discussed with interest, and the cardinality of RSS 2.0 enclosure elements has been written up and discussed quite a lot, so the cardinality of PaceE

Re: PaceEnclosuresAndPix status

2005-01-25 Thread Anne van Kesteren
AsbjÃrn wrote: -0.7. Turns into a kitchen sink by using it to point to things that are intended to be pre-fetched and presented along with the content I agree. I think we should have chosen another element name. turns out to be HTML's where just Âeverything goesÂ. I don't like it, but if

Re: PaceEnclosuresAndPix status

2005-01-25 Thread Asbjørn Ulsberg
On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 20:08:36 -0700, Antone Roundy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: -0.7. Turns into a kitchen sink by using it to point to things that are intended to be pre-fetched and presented along with the content I agree. I think we should have chosen another element name. turns out to be

Re: PaceEnclosuresAndPix status

2005-01-25 Thread Ray Slakinski
+1 from me, I'm happy to see this added! On 24-Jan-05, at 7:18 PM, Tim Bray wrote: If there were no further discussion: Got no -1's, seems useful, needed for feature parity with RSS2, will likely go in absent some objections. -Tim [-] Ray Slakinski GnuPG Fingerprint: C8AD 4847 2DA8 3469 0

Re: PaceEnclosuresAndPix status

2005-01-25 Thread Bill de hÓra
Tim Bray wrote: Would anyone be upset if I updated the draft to say an aspect ratio of 2 (horizontal) to 1 (vertical)? -Tim Not me. +1 cheers Bill

Re: PaceEnclosuresAndPix status

2005-01-24 Thread Antone Roundy
On Monday, January 24, 2005, at 05:18 PM, Tim Bray wrote: If there were no further discussion: Got no -1's, seems useful, needed for feature parity with RSS2, will likely go in absent some objections. -Tim -0.7. Turns into a kitchen sink by using it to point to things that are intended to b

Re: PaceEnclosuresAndPix status

2005-01-24 Thread Graham
On 25 Jan 2005, at 1:18 am, Joe Gregorio wrote: Should there be a suggested size for images? Yes. -1 on images section if suggested sizes aren't added. I think favicons are more commonly displayed than logo images, so a link type or at least suggested size for them would be welcome. Graham smim

Re: PaceEnclosuresAndPix status

2005-01-24 Thread Tim Bray
On Jan 24, 2005, at 5:18 PM, Joe Gregorio wrote: +1 Should there be a suggested size for images? A suggested aspect ratio, actually. Drat. Brent Simmons loved this idea, and I meant to update the draft. Would anyone be upset if I updated the draft to say an aspect ratio of 2 (horizontal) to 1

Re: PaceEnclosuresAndPix status

2005-01-24 Thread Joe Gregorio
+1 Should there be a suggested size for images? -joe On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:18:00 -0800, Tim Bray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If there were no further discussion: Got no -1's, seems useful, needed > for feature parity with RSS2, will likely go in absent some objections. > -Tim > >

PaceEnclosuresAndPix status

2005-01-24 Thread Tim Bray
If there were no further discussion: Got no -1's, seems useful, needed for feature parity with RSS2, will likely go in absent some objections. -Tim