Re: Feature comparison Re: distribution of AUCTeX and built-in TeX/LaTeX modes

2024-06-09 Thread Arash Esbati
Jeremy Bryant writes: > I find this summary useful, how about adding it to the manual? Thanks, but I don't think it is useful for the manual. If at all, I think a more profound comparison is needed, but AUCTeX manual is not the right place for it. Maybe EmacsWiki or emacs.stackexchange.com or

Re: Feature comparison Re: distribution of AUCTeX and built-in TeX/LaTeX modes

2024-06-08 Thread Jeremy Bryant
Arash Esbati writes: > Paul Nelson writes: > >> There is some relevant discussion at >> https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/8wpatw/auctex_vs_texmode_or_giving_a_texmode_another/, >> which notes the slower load time of AUCTeX (once per session), some >> difference in the behavior of imenu (no

Re: distribution of AUCTeX and built-in TeX/LaTeX modes

2024-06-02 Thread Arash Esbati
Jeremy Bryant writes: > OK so if there is no need to chase past contributors, potentially the > last sentence can be removed? > > 82 procedure for Emacs contributors). The same holds for past > 83 contributors. The principal authors and maintainers have already done > 84 so, but it wo

Re: Feature comparison Re: distribution of AUCTeX and built-in TeX/LaTeX modes

2024-05-30 Thread Arash Esbati
Paul Nelson writes: > There is some relevant discussion at > https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/8wpatw/auctex_vs_texmode_or_giving_a_texmode_another/, > which notes the slower load time of AUCTeX (once per session), some > difference in the behavior of imenu (not an issue if you use > consul

Re: Feature comparison Re: distribution of AUCTeX and built-in TeX/LaTeX modes

2024-05-30 Thread Paul Nelson
> > > > Tassilo, do you know what is the reason given by users to like the less > powerful built-in modes? Presumably they don't need preview-LaTeX, but > what else? > There is some relevant discussion at https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/8wpatw/auctex_vs_texmode_or_giving_a_texmode_another

Re: distribution of AUCTeX and built-in TeX/LaTeX modes

2024-05-30 Thread Jeremy Bryant
Arash Esbati writes: > Jeremy Bryant writes: > >> Arash, is the below wording on copyright assignment(from your link) >> still accurate? > > See Tassilo's response. > >> Are new contributors checked > > Of course. > > Best, Arash OK so if there is no need to chase past contributors, potentially

Re: Feature comparison Re: distribution of AUCTeX and built-in TeX/LaTeX modes

2024-05-30 Thread Jeremy Bryant
Arash Esbati writes: > Tassilo Horn writes: > >> I guess when you only write short documents like letters, there's >> probably no need for all those features that come with AUCTeX. But >> that's just a guess. No actual user told me their reasons. > > This is also what I've read over the time:

Re: distribution of AUCTeX and built-in TeX/LaTeX modes

2024-05-29 Thread Arash Esbati
Jeremy Bryant writes: > Arash, is the below wording on copyright assignment(from your link) > still accurate? See Tassilo's response. > Are new contributors checked Of course. Best, Arash

Re: Feature comparison Re: distribution of AUCTeX and built-in TeX/LaTeX modes

2024-05-29 Thread Arash Esbati
Tassilo Horn writes: > I guess when you only write short documents like letters, there's > probably no need for all those features that come with AUCTeX. But > that's just a guess. No actual user told me their reasons. This is also what I've read over the time: Some people don't like AUCTeX's

Re: distribution of AUCTeX and built-in TeX/LaTeX modes

2024-05-29 Thread Tassilo Horn
Jeremy Bryant writes: > Arash, is the below wording on copyright assignment(from your link) > still accurate? Not Arash here but anyway: yes, the state of AUCTeX is that all past contributors with significant changes have signed the copyright assignment. If that weren't the case, AUCTeX could n

Re: Feature comparison Re: distribution of AUCTeX and built-in TeX/LaTeX modes

2024-05-29 Thread Tassilo Horn
Jeremy Bryant writes: Hi Jeremy, > Tassilo, do you know what is the reason given by users to like the > less powerful built-in modes? Presumably they don't need > preview-LaTeX, but what else? I guess when you only write short documents like letters, there's probably no need for all those feat

Re: distribution of AUCTeX and built-in TeX/LaTeX modes

2024-05-29 Thread Jeremy Bryant
Arash Esbati writes: > Jeremy Bryant writes: > >> Great, this seems to be a major obstacle removed! > > That was a good change also for other reasons -- kudos to Keita for > doing it. > >> Again, this only works if users are provided with general network >> access. Depending on site policy, thi

Feature comparison Re: distribution of AUCTeX and built-in TeX/LaTeX modes

2024-05-28 Thread Jeremy Bryant
Tassilo Horn writes: > Jeremy Bryant writes: > >> Indeed, I agree it is very convenient to upgrade auctex through ELPA. >> >> There are however at least 2 scenarios where there are benefits to >> having auctex, a functional albeit perhaps not the most recent >> version, in a distribution of Emac

Re: distribution of AUCTeX and built-in TeX/LaTeX modes

2024-05-28 Thread Arash Esbati
Jeremy Bryant writes: > Great, this seems to be a major obstacle removed! That was a good change also for other reasons -- kudos to Keita for doing it. > Again, this only works if users are provided with general network > access. Depending on site policy, this is sometimes not permitted, > hen

Re: distribution of AUCTeX and built-in TeX/LaTeX modes

2024-05-28 Thread Jeremy Bryant
Arash Esbati writes: > Jeremy Bryant writes: > >> There are however at least 2 scenarios where there are benefits to >> having auctex, a functional albeit perhaps not the most recent version, >> in a distribution of Emacs. >> >> 1. >> New LaTeX users can discover and try auctex straightaway. If

Re: distribution of AUCTeX and built-in TeX/LaTeX modes

2024-05-28 Thread Tassilo Horn
Jeremy Bryant writes: > Indeed, I agree it is very convenient to upgrade auctex through ELPA. > > There are however at least 2 scenarios where there are benefits to > having auctex, a functional albeit perhaps not the most recent > version, in a distribution of Emacs. > > 1. New LaTeX users can

Re: distribution of AUCTeX and built-in TeX/LaTeX modes

2024-05-28 Thread Tassilo Horn
Uwe Brauer writes: > Yeah but gnus is the odd out here, impossible to upgrade gnus with > elpa, sigh Gnus has stopped having its own development repository several years ago. Bye, Tassilo

Re: distribution of AUCTeX and built-in TeX/LaTeX modes

2024-05-28 Thread Arash Esbati
Jeremy Bryant writes: > There are however at least 2 scenarios where there are benefits to > having auctex, a functional albeit perhaps not the most recent version, > in a distribution of Emacs. > > 1. > New LaTeX users can discover and try auctex straightaway. If they > want to upgrade, they al

Re: distribution of AUCTeX and built-in TeX/LaTeX modes

2024-05-28 Thread Jeremy Bryant
Uwe Brauer writes: "AE" == Arash Esbati writes: > >> Uwe Brauer writes: >>> I presume, he wants to clone GNU emacs from the git repository, compile >>> it and auctex is already included in that tree, like gnus, so that it >>> would not be necessary to use the package system. > >> Ah, thank

Re: distribution of AUCTeX and built-in TeX/LaTeX modes

2024-05-27 Thread Uwe Brauer
>>> "AE" == Arash Esbati writes: > Uwe Brauer writes: >> I presume, he wants to clone GNU emacs from the git repository, compile >> it and auctex is already included in that tree, like gnus, so that it >> would not be necessary to use the package system. > Ah, thanks for the translation ;-)

Re: distribution of AUCTeX and built-in TeX/LaTeX modes

2024-05-27 Thread Arash Esbati
Uwe Brauer writes: > I presume, he wants to clone GNU emacs from the git repository, compile > it and auctex is already included in that tree, like gnus, so that it > would not be necessary to use the package system. Ah, thanks for the translation ;-) So the question was: Why isn't AUCTeX in co

Re: distribution of AUCTeX and built-in TeX/LaTeX modes

2024-05-27 Thread Uwe Brauer
> Jeremy Bryant writes: > Sorry, I don't follow. AUCTeX is available from ELPA: > https://elpa.gnu.org/packages/auctex.html > For me, the text above says: RefTeX and BibTeX mode are part of Emacs > core, AUCTeX not. But you can fetch it via Package Menu, in this case > from ELPA exclusivel

Re: distribution of AUCTeX and built-in TeX/LaTeX modes

2024-05-27 Thread Arash Esbati
Jeremy Bryant writes: > The Emacs manual says > >• The AUCTeX package provides more advanced features for editing TeX > and its related formats, including the ability to preview TeX > equations within Emacs buffers. Unlike BibTeX mode and the RefTeX > package, AUCTeX is not di

distribution of AUCTeX and built-in TeX/LaTeX modes

2024-05-27 Thread Jeremy Bryant
The Emacs manual says • The AUCTeX package provides more advanced features for editing TeX and its related formats, including the ability to preview TeX equations within Emacs buffers. Unlike BibTeX mode and the RefTeX package, AUCTeX is not distributed with Emacs by default.