Regarding Lack of Formal Independent Outdoor Travel Training
Hi everybody. I'm wondering if this has happened to any others in the United States and if so, what did you do about it. To cut right to the chase, I have been denied formal O&M instruction until I get a good paying job. I actually app
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I'm not overly worried about street-crossings (though it's been rare that I've ever needed to cross busy streets, and all the crossings I've come upon naturally have been nowhere near an intersection, making it hard to get a good e
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Hi.Now I don't know the place where you live in the US, but when it comes to cross streets, that depends on many things.1: are there sound indicators on the trafic lights so you can hear when you have to go?2: If there are many peo
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Well, the card is kind of the same as asking, except more demeaning. I wouldn't-it screams blind people are incapable to those sighted people who see you, in my opinion.As for actually doing it, I'd recommend finding another instr
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well firstly that bit about only getting mobility training if you have a job sounds frankly insane, do sighted people only leave the house if they are employed?I do confess where mobility is concerned, I have been lucky. I learnt m
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Well, yes. I just got my second guide dog (my first literally couldn't keep up due to a major lifestyle change). We basically jog everywhere these days-I beat my sighted peers. I may be the exception in this department, and am o
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i agree cam and dark. as far as the card goes, that is an udderally stupid and completely ridiculous idea. your not learning anything. all your doing is telling the world that i am a helpless blind person and i can only cross the
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hi,ok so I need help with the same type of mobility issuesso I live in a small city in turkeythe city here is almost 0 accessable for the blindsince 3 years there have been infurstructure projects all over my cityinstalling pump
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hi,ok so I need help with the same type of mobility issuesso I live in a small city in turkeythe city here is almost 0 accessable for the blindsince 3 years there have been infurstructure projects all over my cityinstalling pump
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Hi.I'm sorry I can't help much apart from saying, I hate the idea of a card. It screams "I'm blind help me!" I really really hate the card idea.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=152610#p152610
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@Camlorn, one thing I love about having a guide dog is that I no longer need to walk slowly. I always walked at moderate speed with a cane, but with reever I no longer need to do this which is great indeed. What is this "red on the
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Hi.@dark.hahhahhahahhahahahhaha complain to the counsel,that's s funny. I don't know about you but where I'm living, in Ealing London, UK, the counsel don't give a shit about us.My mobility instructor and I, tried to talk to a
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Lol dark, sounds quite unpleasant indeed. I have had similar experiences, but they usually involve me hitting my head on something lol. Anyway, on the topic of mobility, admitedly, my street crossing skills are poor. I have literal
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Hi.Kyleman: Thanks for mentioning the lanes. That'll help a lot when it comes to explain things. Enes: [[wow]], that sounds really crazy. Sounds like you're living a place where people don't care about security at all, and accessib
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@Brad, I think you might have missunderstood my meaning with the councel. no, it is not possible to get the councel to actually build! a pedestrian crossing. My parents have been trying this in nottingham on a huge and particularly
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Dark wrote:The one comment that really does! piss me off when I've just walked into something is "woopse", why the hell do people think saying "woopse" is helpful? I have been known to give people some quite snarky answers over tha
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Well Slj, I didn't mean people saying "woopse" to their own actions, eg, having to jump out of the way quickly like the man you mentioned. That is just an acknolidgement that you yourself have messed up, like if you dropped somethi
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So, right on red. It's why crossing in the U.S. can be fun. Basically, red lights mean stop, of course, but cars are allowed to make a right turn even after the light changes. Couple this with college drivers (crosswalk? What cr
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So in america, if your turning right, and the crossing is red, you can pretty much just ignore it? that just seems utterly loopy to me. In britain while some traffic might take a second stopping, and while you can wait for ages at
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hi dark,well the problem with walking on the building line is there is even! construction there as wellI know for a fact because I was walking down town with a family member and there was a massive 3 m deep hole running along the
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Hey folks. Well, I completely agree with Brad about the card thing. Following the card's idea, a plaque saying "Help I am blind!", would also do the trick. I live in Brazil and we don't have much about accessibility here. My mobili
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Well Enes that does sound loopy indeed! though hopefully when it gets fixed that will be that for such obstacles, that is why i suggested going elsewhere since that is obviously an unusually crazy situation.URL: http://forum.audiog
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Dark: Oh I got your point regarding "woops." I'm sorry that I totally missed your point the first time. Enes: [[wow]], sounds like a terrible place. Well, I would still recommend either very effective use of the cain, or a guide do
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I've said everything that I have to say on self-driving cars in the past, and will not repeat all of it here. We already have self-parking cars available for purchase. I think you should research it, Dark. They're likely to be t
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@Camlorn, actually I was making my previous judgement based on! recent research that I've done, or at least some stuff I was looking at very recently about developements in robotics. I am quite aware of deep blue, wotson etc, howev
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i just found it funny dark that you said guide tank. lol. gave me a good chuckle. unfortunetly you wouldn't be able to arm it lol. ahahahahahaha. might brake a few lawsURL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=152763#p15
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hi.@dark.Ah I understand now.You know, it's annoying though that the counsel basically don't give a shit about us, sure they might fix things, but try too ask them to fix pavement for example, see what results you get. My guess? No
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Well Brad it depends upon people and counsel really. I will say durham are slightly better than nottingham, but then again Durham are pretty terrible in for instance providing licenses for enough taxi firms. Unfortunately though yo
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Lol about the "whoops" thing, I was walking at school the other day and someone bumped into me and went "woop woop", I was basically half asleep otherwise I probably would've responded with something like "the sound effects are rea
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Lol wanderer, something I have been known to say to people is "It's my eyeballs that don't work, my legs are fine!" Lack of hearing could be a problem in street crossings there is no denying that, but I suspect it would just requir
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That card thing definitely sounds demeaning. It's bad enough when a sighted person who's never had experience with the blind suggests something like that, but an O&M instructor? It reminded me of a two-day Greyhound trip I took two
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hi dark,well unfortunatly going somewhere else is not an option at the momentand I don't see the construction ending anytime soon the gas pipe placement is scheduled to continue at least another 2 yearsthis is the best possible si
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@Enes, that is a shame, though you might considder going to study somewhere else or going to a better city. as I've said before this is why i moved from Nottingham to Durham. @Bryan, actually often disability professionals can be t
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In the states, it's interesting. The training you can get varies wildly depending on where you live. It's left to the specific school system for people of those ages, and there's a lot of organizations that you can pick from afte
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Interesting Camorn, especially about the blind campas idea, though as I've said I'm not a huge fan of specialist schools generally, indeed the "independence" training I supposedly recieved at the school i went to was a joke, partic
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Interesting Camorn, especially about the blind campas idea, though as I've said I'm not a huge fan of specialist schools generally, indeed the "independence" training I supposedly recieved at the school i went to was a joke, partic
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I just tried looking up ESVI for my state and got a "problem loading page". I think my state in general is about 20 years behind on this newfangled Internet thing. (The state's NFB page is over a year out of date, the DSB page is e
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dark, O&M stands for Orientation and mobility. i was lucky to get a really good O&M instructor. but the quality does vary wildlyURL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=152927#p152927
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Thanks Kyle, that makes sense. it actually sounds like the counsel employed mobility officers over hear, they can vary hugely! Amusingly enough, the dire one I mentioned was once supposedly showing me a bus route. She at one point
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Well, I'm not talking about schools for a blind. This is a 6 week program, and you're not taking classes. You're literally living on your own, sort of. I haven't done it; it wasn't needed in my case. The idea is that you show u
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Fair enough Camlorn, and I can see the advantage of those sorts of courses. I did once do one myself at a sort of outdoor pursuit center for a week, though that was more because A, I knew the lady who organized it had a reasonable
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Is that program by any chance called YES2?URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=152979#p152979
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I had a fantastic O&M instructor throughout fifth grade, junior high, and high school. Fifth grade was when my family and I moved to Illinois. This instructor came to the house to introduce herself, along with another instructor wh
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Well jjgeek, I don't know how it is in the states with the way guide dogs work, but over hear you an apply to them at pretty much any point. Whether they decide to put you on the waiting list for a dog or have you see one of their
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You need to be at least 16, but probably18. Most guide dog schools in the states don't consider you until 18, though it is apparently possible to get one as young as 14.The thing with the cane skill sis this. I am speaking only o
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Well Camorn, in England it is slightly different. For a start, though the dogs themselves cost a lot, the organization is a charity and you technically get the dog for nothing or what you can contribute, indeed did you have to fund
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I don't use the cane with my guide dog. Sometimes, I will use the cane instead. This serves two purposes. First, should my dog ever become sick, I can manage the cane still: use it or lose it, basically. Secondly, it's a really
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Dark O&M stands for Orientatio and Mobility. Most people just call it Mobility and leave it at that. But in the states the quality of your training definitely depends where you are. Unfortunately while all the rehab agencies I've w
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Well Camlorn I completely agree about keeping up cane skills for immergencies, and this is something I was recommended, though to be honest for me I don't need to make time to practice. I pretty much practice my cane everytime I ta
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By private, I mean no government support at all. There are laws protecting service animals, but that's it. The way you described it, I thought you were saying it's a government program. My bad.I don't know where they got the onl
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hi guys. this topic is becoming very interesting. I also think that in 20 years we will have some electronic device that will be better than a guide dog. also reading this topic I had a crazy idea.what if some one will research the
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Well, I've learned some new things about guide dogs just by reading these replies so thank you. My former roommate used a guide dog throughout the last few years of his life. His came from the Guide Dog Foundation for the Blind, an
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Okay, that is false. Guide dogs would be pretty much useless if other people couldn't be with you. If your guide dog school tries to tell you this, consider a different one. I've heard of some schools saying that you shouldn't l
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Okay, that is false. Guide dogs would be pretty much useless if other people couldn't be with you. If your guide dog school tries to tell you this, consider a different one. I've heard of some schools saying that you shouldn't l
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@Camlorn, doing a route with a cane would strike me as unnecessary extra work given all of the other things you'd need to learn, generally I've found it's usually just necessary to know where I'm going, or at most to get someone to
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No, no. I don't mean that I train the dog to do that kind of stuff. Definitely not. What I mean is, for example, that they tell us to reward them with food when we get to our destination (we use food now-I don't know if you do, a
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I'm not too keen on the electronic devices thing. People were debatingthe possibility of gide robots over on ZOne BBS and about the only thing that came into my head was a rather amusing scene of a guy going into, let's say a conve
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Well Camlorn, I suspect either your training or your inclination is to be less vocal with dogs. I've heard of clicker training, but guide dogs over hear don't use it, indeedd the only time I click my fingers and point is when Reeve
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Well, i did give an example-the doctor's office. I don't feel comfortable letting go of my dog's leash for any reason whatsoever, and this is something that was encouraged over here. Exam table, etc. Also, if I have to carry a l
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You may want to check out my blog by going to the website link. I have a lot of stuff covering stuff like what you just unveiled.URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=153407#p153407
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Well Camlorn, regarding the always hold your lead question, guide dogs over hear encourage you to recognize that there are points when you can't hold the lead and are doing soemthing else, hence the need to attach your dog to a tab
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