Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back @52It might take you somewhere but I'm not touching it with a 10 foot pole.  Much of Quorum is about changing terminology and language syntax to match research papers rather than the rest of the industry, and it's as sandboxy as anything else, just with a larger

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back Someone should do a speed comparison between python dictionaries and BGT ones, I think python would win by a decent margin. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/548636/#p548636 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back Well, we now have Quorum studio, with support for graphics. Let's see where this will take us. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/548630/#p548630 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back @46. Well, there are alot of bgt limitations, some more obvious than others, but all valid nevertheless. I won't list all of them here, they are, I believe, all covered in some part of a post from a topic or another anyway. Instead, I'll list the ones I've hit my

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back Will do a test of that later on. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/548410/#p548410 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back @48You're talking about networked fpss, if I'm not mistaken.  Networking comes with an inherent 50ms lag minimum, usually much more, and without very well done client-side prediction you can't hide it.In order to determine whether it's the game's networking code

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back @Camlorn, sometimes if you play undead Asalt, for example, sometimes you can experience truly atrotious lag. Even first opening the client, to joining a map for the 1ST time you will experience lag, or a delay.  However I suspect that the huge delay is probably due

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back @45Python is fast enough for an FPS.  I don't know why people think it isn't.  Doom runs on the lowest end pocket calculators these days, and ours doesn't even have graphics.  At the upper end of an online game with a hundred players and 50 areas and each player goes

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back @45 this is a bit cherry picky but after reading your post i have a question. What you mean with limitation, except the obwious one, no gui? Personally i don't see where you would get to the point where limits stop you in game development.And a hint, ya mait want

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back Hy guys!@camlorn, I'm sorry for other bgt users, but I totally agree with you here. Indeed bgt is dead and so it shall be, everyone who is using it is hitting a dead horse for too long now. The warrying thing is that this fenomenon is not going to stop untill

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back Hy guys!@camlorn, I'm sorry for other bgt users, but I totally agree with you here. Indeed bgt is dead and so it shall be, everyone who is using it is hitting a dead horse for too long now. The warrying thing is that this fenomenon is not going to stop untill

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back @41PB is more popular than you give it credit for, and has been pervasive for a long time.  It's only recently that PB has stopped being the thing people leave BGT for.  Unfortunately for those who do, PB is in many ways a step down because it requires manually

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back Yeah, I shouldn't have generalised there, but you're more likely to see a BGT cracker than a PB one. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/547936/#p547936 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin

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Re: bgt mirror is back @41 agree at first point, but you shouldn't do the same generalizing when you complain about exactly.that. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/547933/#p547933 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back @40, what's with the assumptions? Only 3 devs use PB and then you go about generalising like that? And I know 2 folks who use PB that pays for all their games, so you really should stop making baseless claims like that. That demographic who is more likely to crack

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back We can't move on from old languages because the only thing people here want to program is audiogames.  Learn from a sighted gaming tutorial that happens to talk about graphics: no.  Learn to program something easier first: no.  Learn some design patterns and things

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back Python code looks more English than BGT for me. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/547917/#p547917 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back Regarding indentation, just because you can get away with flat code doesn't mean you should. Yes it's easier, but unless you plan to never collaborate on a project with basically most other people, you should indent your code or at least, learn how to do it when

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back Another invalid arguement.Either way, am I the only one who thinks that python code actualy looks easier than bgt code?Sure, there's indentation but I find indentation easy. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/547854/#p547854 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back Agreed with the most here. BGT is a dead language. Why can sighted people move on from dead languages but we can't seem to? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/547848/#p547848 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back I'm not even going to bother continue arguing. Simter I suggest you should too. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/547775/#p547775 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back @simtar, maybe, maybe not. I’ll simply ask you this. If the sited community can survive without BGT, how come we can't? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/547771/#p547771 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back Guys, just let him do whatever he wants with this. He knows the consequences, lord knows they have been raised at least thirty times by now. It is his choice to continue using something when when clearly being shown the negative side to his persistence. URL: https

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back @30as i pointed out, adleast for me, bgt helped me. Not only for releasing my first stuff, but also for learning python, and since my english level at the time learning of bgt took me already 1/2 years. Also no it hasn't, people like sam tupy, mason armstrong

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back English child, english! URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/547754/#p547754 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back The same arguments are beeing rehashed over and over again about an outdated coding language which is Dying a slow, slow, painful death. Bgt didn’t bring the audio game industry forward, it nearly held it at a certain point in time, allowing only so much advancement

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back The same arguments are beeing rehashed over and over again about an outdated coding language which is Dying a slow, slow, painful death. Mediately didn’t bring the audio game industry forward, it nearly held it at a certain point in time, allowing only so much

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back @27 Nobody said they haven't read your whole post in your Windows 7 topic. The only post that comes close is Nizzas. It says it's not worth reading your post to the end because there is to much misinformation, but the post briefly addressed all of your points, so

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back @27 Nobody said they haven't read your whole post in your Windows 7 topic. The only post that comes close is Nizzas. It says it's not worth reading your post to the end because there is to much misinformation, but the post addressed all of your points, so Nizza must

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back Hahaha spoiled for game quality.  No. No I'm not.  I would love to be spoiled for game quality.  Being spoiled for game quality is why I'm writing Synthizer and have 5 projects in the pipeline behind it.Let's be real here.  99% of audiogames suck and we play them

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back @26 why shouldn't i repeat the repeat button if all the people do is repeating the same repetetive points that have been made so often, so use the repeat button as an argument? That was the best sentence lol. And also no, that is not at all what i am doing, it's more

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back @26 why shouldn't i repeat the repeat button if all the people do is repeating the same repetetive points that have been made so often, so use the repeat button as an argument? That was the best sentence lol. And also no, that is not at all what i am doing, it's more

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back @25 Aren't you the one who repeats the whole repeat button crap every third post or so? I also find it quite ironic that you, of all people, tell other people they have no arguments. The only thing you do in discussions is searching posts for those three or four

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back @25 Aren't you the one who repeats the whole repeat button crap every third post or so? I also find it quite ironic that you, of all people, tell other people they have no arguments. The only thing you do in discussions is searching posts for those three or four

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back @25 Aren't you the one who repeats the whole repeat button crap every third post or so? I also find it quite ironic that you, of all people, tell other people they have no arguments. The only thing you do in discussions is searching posts for those three or four

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back @20 and what message you wanted to bring us wiwth that post, i don't get it, it only sounds like you where trying to start a fire but not with me.@24 the only one who is missing arguments here is you. You are wining about developer basics and how spoiled you are when

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back @19Games are different than programming tools and libraries.  You finish them and they're done.  Being able to finish a programming tool and/or library is doable, but hard and something that rarely happens.If camlorn_audio had been finished to a stable point

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back If python wasn’t easy to learn, why is this mindset shared by a lot of the people on the Internet? I would go as far as saying that 99.9% of those folks don’t know what BGT is, and yet they still claim that learning python is relatively easy.  Again I ask, why? URL

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back @arvox, I'm sending you a PM. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/547399/#p547399 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back Maybe it's petty of me to go in with that, but yes I agree lol. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/547387/#p547387 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back Camlorn Wrote:"camlorn_audio was much less popular than BGT.  One day you may have a project that's popular enough that you try to leave behind that keeps following you as far as your personal e-mail, until then don't judge."Simter having a popular proje

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back @18 Oh, manamon2, bgt. And ya know what, even if it is impolite, that is the way to go. If people write you about an abandoned peace of software and  you say requests will be ignored, then these people know 100 percent well that they won't go any where

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back It takes energy to keep telling people that you aren't maintaining a thing anymore, and camlorn_audio was much less popular than BGT.  One day you may have a project that's popular enough that you try to leave behind that keeps following you as far as your personal e

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back @16 o how bad, you get 1 email in 1 month or so and maybe some forum posts about an abandoned projects, o my gosh. How bad. And also no i doupt that, languages like py are harder to learn then bgt. In fact the only reason why so much people say that python is so easy

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back Okay, two things.First, everyone forgets that we had plenty of audiogames before BGT.  If BGT hadn't happened we'd have had plenty of audiogames without it.  I would go so far as to say probably the same number of audiogames.  The only people who think BGT is somehow

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back @13 and yep we should really tell mason to take down sbyw, and tomp hunter, and btw what do you write programs in? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/547256/#p547256 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back Umm? Did you not read his message in this very thread?philip_bennefall wrote:I would like to kindly request that the audiogames.net database not be updated with a permanent download link for BGT.It didn't say anything about erasing history. It didn't say

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back I mean, ***he*** wrote it... URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/547255/#p547255 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back Again, tell VGstorm that. Tell Eban Sky that. Tell Pragma that.I'd like to also say that I'm currently trying to move away from BGT, and I agree its dead and devs should move away from it. But what I don't agree with is Phillip insisting that BGT be removed from all

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back Again, tell VGstorm that. Tell Eban Sky that. Tell Pragma that. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/547250/#p547250 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back OK, we had a handful of good games on it, but the rest sucked. How is that progressing the audiogames scene? Even the good games had their limits. BGT had its time, that time is over now, so stop holding onto it like it's the last hope of salvation of all of humanity

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Re: bgt mirror is back @9.lmfaolmfaolmfaolmfao URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/547238/#p547238 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/audiogames-reflector

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back Tell that to Pragmma and Aaron Baker. Oh wait, Manamon and pretty much all of his games are paid! More reason to make him take down his games. Let's just remove all traces of this scripting language that helped push the audiogame industry further. Let's deny folks

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Re: bgt mirror is back at 6. If in audiogames db they say thats not supported, then what? URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/547124/#p547124 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin/mailman

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back Just wanted to chime in and say that post 6 is absolutely correct. I would like to kindly request that the audiogames.net database not be updated with a permanent download link for BGT.Thanks!Kind regards,Philip Bennefall URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back The way I read that and judging by Philip's actions, it seems that what he means by that is that he doesn't mind it being posted on a Dropbox link in a forum topic somewhere, but he would prefer it if it wasn't linked to in a large public place, such as the agarchive

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back The way I read that and judging by Philip's actions, it seems that what he means by that is that he doesn't mind it being posted on a Dropbox link in a forum topic somewhere, but he would prefer it if it wasn't linked to in a large public place, such as the agarchive

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back Philip wrote:Hi all,After a lot of consideration, I have decided to remove a few things from blastbay.com that I no longer maintain and/or support. BGT has been officially removed, and so has the game Palace Punch-up. I know that a lot of you are still using BGT

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back @2 was about to say the same, he said he wont host it and specifically said in the same topic that people can still host it if they want. URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/547057/#p547057 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back @2: nonsense, he sed that he don't hoste it, didint sed peaple are not allowed to hoste it URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/547044/#p547044 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com

Re: bgt mirror is back

Re: bgt mirror is back Oh great. Hosting a tool that the author himself has asked not to be hosted. *sighs* URL: https://forum.audiogames.net/post/547034/#p547034 -- Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi

bgt mirror is back

bgt mirror is back Hi. Freenom has finnaly allowed me again to register my world server domain. That means, allong with the 2dp repo and some other stuff, the bgt mirror is back. It holds bgt latest version, bgt1.0(unregistered), an includes package that was downloaded from carters github