harmonic;353081 Wrote:
This is one word war i dont want to get into.
Haveever reason studies in have the brain reacts in various abx test
senarios have proved that the hearing sence is very very tricky
compared to tast , smell and so on.
In short the brain is almost incapeble of
On an ethernet wired player, with a track playing (so the buffer is
full) disconnect the ethernet connection.
Can you hear any difference in the sound? The track will carry on
playing for a while until the buffer is empty...
Seriously.
Phil
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Phil Leigh
You want to see the signal path BEFORE
It happens to me often : my WHS server (Squeeze Center) is scheduled to
go to hibernation at midnight. And can't detect that client SB is
running. So, after a while the music stops... :)
About the quality, no I never notice a difference when the server goes
offline. I only notice when the music
krochat;353174 Wrote:
So nobody has a Tivo HD?
What else do you need it to do?
Apart from anything else, it simply isn't available in many parts of
the world. In the UK for example Tivo was only ever briefly available
because the UK satellite TV market is a de facto monopoly and Sky TV
DeVerm;353161 Wrote:
So, it's time to ask your nearest university to repeat that study with
the London Philharmonic Orchestra! No joke, I would like to see that
happen.
I...(cough, strangle)...agree. :)
Darren
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darrenyeats
SB3 / Inguz - Krell KAV-300i (pre bypass) - PMC AB-1
Dell
DeVerm;353147 Wrote:
harmonic;353081 Wrote:
This is one word war i dont want to get into.
Too late, but don't worry...
LOL.
Themis;353176 Wrote:
Don't worry. :) I try to show it up when I'm amused or puzzled, but
there's no risk that I can go into personal or moral attacks.
darrenyeats;353222 Wrote:
(One question about the AES study: I assumed they could listen and
switch back and forth for as long as they liked as in a normal ABX
test, but it seems some of you think they used time-limited samples. If
you can provide a reference to where it says they used
harmonic wrote:
Some few musicians havever are abel to tune there guitars to the
correct pitch by using there ears, but it takes skill and lots of
experince and it s more luck than skill if the get it 100 right.
Rubbish. There's no luck involved; it takes a good ear and skill.
R.
Robin Bowes;353266 Wrote:
harmonic wrote:
Some few musicians havever are abel to tune there guitars to the
correct pitch by using there ears, but it takes skill and lots of
experince and it s more luck than skill if the get it 100 right.
Rubbish. There's no luck involved; it takes
Phil Leigh wrote:
Robin Bowes;353266 Wrote:
harmonic wrote:
Some few musicians havever are abel to tune there guitars to the
correct pitch by using there ears, but it takes skill and lots of
experince and it s more luck than skill if the get it 100 right.
Rubbish. There's no luck
Robin Bowes;353296 Wrote:
Phil Leigh wrote:
Robin Bowes;353266 Wrote:
harmonic wrote:
Some few musicians havever are abel to tune there guitars to the
correct pitch by using there ears, but it takes skill and lots of
experince and it s more luck than skill if the get it 100
Robin Bowes;353296 Wrote:
Absolute pitch is an ability that individuals either have or they
don't.
Nothing lucky about it.
That's not quite true, actually - some people manage to learn it (I
know someone that acquired perfect pitch only during composition school
in his mid 20's).
Themis;352994 Wrote:
Can you, if you don't mind, link us a couple of examples of such
studies, so we could discuss ?
Several are given in the paper. I'm sure there are many, many more -
for example, as people develop lossy compression algorithms this must
be one of the things they check for.
Same here - sometimes I shut down my server with music playing. It goes
on for a while and then stops, with no degradation in quality.
But maybe Phil was referring to the physical ethernet connection?
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opaqueice
Phil - my copy of audacity can generate 30kHz+ tones. Maybe you have an
old version? Or maybe you need to change the sample rate?
Phil Leigh;352649 Wrote:
Some other fora have implied this might be the result of jitter folding
back into the analogue domain as harmonic distortion... but
Another thought - does the TACT have a digital output? If so, try
recording it playing that 1kHz square wave using a soundcard digital
input. That will give you a file which has never been in the analogue
domain and hence cannot be affected by jitter (unless it's so bad it's
causing bit errors,
opaqueice;353320 Wrote:
Several are given in the paper. I'm sure there are many, many more -
for example, as people develop lossy compression algorithms this must
be one of the things they check for.The differences about the studies given
in the paper are discussed and
explained in the
Themis;353339 Wrote:
The differences about the studies given in the paper are discussed and
explained in the paper. If your explaniation differs, I would like to
discuss why.
Their explanation (that the difference is due to the fact that it takes
10s of seconds for the effect to manifest) is
The poster above mentioned that the DacMagic does not do input
switching. This is wrong. There are three switchable inputs. One USB
and two that have both S/PDIF and Toslink connections. What you can not
do is connect to both the S/PDIF and Toslink connection on the same
input.
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rwortman
opaqueice;353321 Wrote:
But maybe Phil was referring to the physical ethernet connection?
Exactly, that's what he means. But I really don't think that a
difference would be noticed as there are no ground-connections in the
cable. On the other hand, power-consumption changes and that might lead
Themis;353339 Wrote:
I'm not aware of any other EEG tests, are you ?
Yes, I am and they used different sound material too:
We do not think that the hypersonic effect is specific to the sound
material used in the present study because we previously confirmed, by
EEG analysis, that the same
Its not an absolute claim: A harddrive can have a bad influence of the
sound. That is on of many reasons we use streaming boxes, i think. It
may be a difference between a Seagate or Western digital or betwee the
same ownership marks, or what? What about a special designed hi fi
harddrive? Its
Its not an absolute claim: A harddrive can have a bad influence of the
sound. That is on of many reasons we use streaming boxes, i think. It
may be a difference between a Seagate or Western digital or betwee the
same ownership marks, or what? What about a special designed hi fi
harddrive?
opaqueice;353370 Wrote:
Their explanation (that the difference is due to the fact that it takes
10s of seconds for the effect to manifest) is very far-fetched. It's
not based on any theory about the origin of the effects they think
they've found. And even if it's correct, until we know
Themis;353433 Wrote:
What is for sure, it's that' it has something to do with the duration.
Or it's simply wrong.
In my case, for audio, I prefer sub-conscious (or un-conscious) studies
than conscious ones.
Trouble is, if you don't know -why- something is happening, and you
don't know
opaqueice;353439 Wrote:
Trouble is, if you don't know -why- something is happening, and you
don't know -what- precisely is happening, and you don't know if the
subjects are even aware of it, it's pretty hard to do anything with
that information.
For all we know, adding supertweeters
Who knows. Maybe noice. Has somebody tried with a SAS - SCASI(or
something)?
A good cd player drive is how fast? Why?
There are 1 or 2 engineers known for making very good cd player drives,
i have read on the internet somewhwer a while ago. Maybe they can make a
very good harddrive?
Just my 2
I find it very surprising that (I think) I am the only one researching
this further with google searches. What I have learned over the last
week or so
- the 2000 paper was the final result of 20 years (!) of experiments in
which period other papers on the subject were published. Oohashi already
DeVerm;353481 Wrote:
I find it very surprising that (I think) I am the only one researching
this further with google searches.
You're just the only one that ignores the other posters.
opaqueice;352726 Wrote:
By the way, I had a look at the citations to that paper. There are a
total of 9
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