Hi MortyEU,
With a good DAC like yours, I think you would probably also be just as
happy, with the S/PDIF output from a Squeezebox Classic as well...
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Hmm. Wasn't there some chap who started a Tiny Garage Audiophile company that
was taken over by Logitech and seemed to know a bit about the Transporter -
used to post a lot here about it, I seem to remember - who's now not working
for Logitech any more? Did he ever say what he was going to do
NewBuyer;484480 Wrote:
Hi MortyEU,
With a good DAC like yours, I think you would probably also be just as
happy, with the S/PDIF output from a Squeezebox Classic as well...
I must disagree. I have both the Classic and the Duet and the same
Lavry DA-10. The coax or optical output from the
cunobeli...@mac.com;484490 Wrote:
Did he ever say what he was going to do next? I wonder if he still has
the garage.
Yeah, he uses it to store the Ferraris :)
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radish wrote:
cunobeli...@mac.com;484490 Wrote:
Did he ever say what he was going to do next? I wonder if he still has
the garage.
Yeah, he uses it to store the Ferraris :)
We know he likes cars. Long ago there was a photo posted of a nice big
expensive German car, triple parked in a no
Ach, ye'll never get two sheep in the back of a Maserati.
(Local Hero, Bill Forsyth, 1983)
On 12 Nov 2009, at 15:04, Pat Farrell wrote:
radish wrote:
cunobeli...@mac.com;484490 Wrote:
Did he ever say what he was going to do next? I wonder if he still has
the garage.
Yeah, he uses it to
pfarrell;484570 Wrote:
We know he likes cars. Long ago there was a photo posted of a nice big
expensive German car, triple parked in a no parking zone. I forget if it
was a BMW or MB. Ferraris are nice, as are Maserattis.
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=15540
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empty99;484465 Wrote:
Here's hoping that the healthy open-source forums like ours to come up
with solutions for the TP when Logitech no longer support it. I am still
holding out for a $900 unit (to replace my SB3+MFA3.24DAC) ;^)
It would be nice to compile a list of other streaming
cunobeli...@mac.com;484490 Wrote:
Hmm. Wasn't there some chap who started a Tiny Garage Audiophile company
that was taken over by Logitech and seemed to know a bit about the
Transporter - used to post a lot here about it, I seem to remember -
who's now not working for Logitech any more? Did
iPhone wrote:
cunobeli...@mac.com;484490 Wrote:
Hmm. Wasn't there some chap who started a Tiny Garage Audiophile company
There was probably a signed No Compete Agreement
Most likely. But companies do allow 'insiders to buy out the rights to
abandoned products.
This is all just random
loserica;484494 Wrote:
I must disagree. I have both the Classic and the Duet and the same Lavry
DA-10. The coax or optical output from the Squeezeboxes is good, but
there is room for improvement compared to other transports. This is
exactly why I will buy a Transporter (it should be better
Louishlomador;484646 Wrote:
Has anyone noticed sound quality differences between a flac and wave
file? I am certainly aware that flac is lossless however playback of
flac files sound flat and dont seem to have great imaging effect on the
sound than Wav. anyone?
I don't hear any difference.
In any case, usually people who buy Linn wouldn't buy something else.
And (it seems) people who buy other gear don't buy Linn, most probably
because of the quality/price ratio. ;)
So, you mean perhaps what are the alternatives to the Majik DS ? :D
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Transporter is no more shown on the logitech store in Canada, even the
SB3 isn't :
http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/speakers_audio/wireless_music_systems/cl=ca,en
the former slimdevices store is closed
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Its a strange one. I have squeezecenter 7.2.1 before upgrading to 7.4.1.
There seem to be a difference when you play both versions of the file
and listen to it instrument by instument. I'm have a strong feeling the
firmware has been modified in a way for the SB to play in flac mode,
maybe due to
Louishlomador;484660 Wrote:
I have my music ripped in 24bit 48khz in wave.
You rip 44.1 kHz redbook CDs to 48 kHz?
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Yes, there is a bit of a grey area here as if you had a cd player that
was capable of playing at 24bit 96khz it will sound better than a CD
player equiped with a dac capable of only 48khz, hence I rip at this
resolution to extract every as much info as possible from the CD. The
site below seems
Louishlomador wrote:
You rip 44.1 kHz redbook CDs to 48 kHz?
Yes, there is a bit of a grey area here as if you had a cd player that
was capable of playing at 24bit 96khz it will sound better than a CD
player equiped with a dac capable of only 48khz, hence I rip at this
resolution to extract
you have a point there, however my understanding of how the Squeeze box
works is all about the processing of whatever data contents you have in
the file, whiles I believe the CD player will pickup the data in a
different way. Maybe I'm wrong but the sound seems much better with a
higher
kphinney;484605 Wrote:
Personally, (in my opinion only) I think the TP is very, very light. I
also think it is the least expensive piece of my gear except for a few
of my cables and while it does sound good to me, it is the weakest link
in my system.
That brings us back to the point of
Louishlomador wrote:
you have a point there, however my understanding of how the Squeeze box
works is all about the processing of whatever data contents you have in
the file, whiles I believe the CD player will pickup the data in a
different way. Maybe I'm wrong but the sound seems much better
Very good point. It raises soo many questions as to why soo many ripping
applications have these features of ripping CDs to this format readily
available at that resolution, such as DB poweramp, or why some dacs will
play normal CD at say 24bit 96khz resolution. I believe the squeezebox
Louishlomador wrote:
I believe the squeezebox transporter and squeezebox touch can play at this
format. I'm confused.
Yes, they will play files in 48 kHz as well as 44.1kHz, and perhaps 88.2
and 96kHz as well (I don't keep up) but the question is not if the
devices can play the specific files,
Louishlomador;484634 Wrote:
It seems a few people are beginning to notice the difference.
Which difference, afaik these claims are highly speculative (albeit not
refutable).
I'm thinking maybe the SB has been programmed to stream music in flac
format, although the file is in wave
I have changed that from the file format options, under settings and set
it to stream in wav only and not convert to flac, however 7.2.1 still
sounds better with both version of the sofware set to stream in wave
only. Strange but true. I have a SB classic connected to Lehmann
blackcube linear
An alternative seems to be PS Audio : http://www.psaudio.com/
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Louishlomador;484693 Wrote:
I have changed that from the file format options, under settings and set
it to stream in wav only and not convert to flac, however 7.2.1 still
sounds better with both version of the sofware set to stream in wave
only. Strange but true. I have a SB classic
Louishlomador;484646 Wrote:
Has anyone noticed sound quality differences between a flac and wave
file? I am certainly aware that flac is lossless however playback of
flac files sound flat and dont seem to have great imaging effect on the
sound than Wav. anyone?
If you think there's a
As Fyper points out, the differences between transports depend also on
the dac used. Sometimes they are not noticeable.
I won't answer to the optical vs coax, I suppose you're expecting an
answer from Sean or John... ;)
Btw, welcome to the forums, Fyper.
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On the server side the flac to wav option only gives you flac options
and no native wav format. The wav option is fine on the server side as
i've set it to play in native wav for both versions of the server
software.
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Louishlomador;484708 Wrote:
On the server side the flac to wav option only gives you flac options
and no native wav format. The wav option is fine on the server side as
i've set it to play in native wav for both versions of the server
software.
I don't understand. You mean you can't
This keeps coming up. Repeated tests with AudioDiffmaker have confirmed
there is NO measurable difference in either the digital or analogue
outputs when replaying FLAC vs WAV. This was with an SB3 and the Touch
(as I can now reveal - couldn't mention it before under NDA).
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Yes the only available from flac to another format is mp3, wave or flac,
however when converting to wave the option available is flac.See the
attached picture of my settings
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Themis;484636 Wrote:
In any case, usually people who buy Linn wouldn't buy something else.
And (it seems) people who buy other gear don't buy Linn, most probably
because of the quality/price ratio. ;)
So, you mean perhaps what are the alternatives to the Majik DS ? :D
Guess I must be
audiomuze;484677 Wrote:
So price = performance in the audiophile world :D. Keep chasing that
rainbow, clearly it gives you something to do :)
Are you purposely acting ignorant and non-helpful or should I read
deeper into your messages to find the hidden on-topic points?
I never said price
when converting to wave the option available is flac.
The name in the drop down box is the application which does the
conversion so the application called flac will convert FLAC to WAV.
Look at other setting and you will see other applications like mov123 or
mov123/flac and mppdec.
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Phil Leigh;484729 Wrote:
This keeps coming up. Repeated tests with AudioDiffmaker have confirmed
there is NO measurable difference in either the digital or analogue
outputs when replaying FLAC vs WAV. This was with an SB3 and the Touch
(as I can now reveal - couldn't mention it before under
Phil Leigh;479604 Wrote:
Yes. The TACT volume control and the TP volume control work in the same
way, and one of them should be set on max. You'll need to experiment to
see which works best for you.
I have now been doing a little experimenting. I just have one balanced
digital cable, so I
On 12/11/09 20:20, kphinney wrote:
I never said price = performance,
No, not directly, but you said:
I also think it is the least expensive piece of my gear except for a
few of my cables
which I read as inferring that more expensive gear is better, ie. price
= performance.
but it just so
bpa;484738 Wrote:
The name in the drop down box is the application which does the
conversion so the application called flac will convert FLAC to WAV.
Look at other setting and you will see other applications like mov123 or
mov123/flac and mppdec.
Exactly. So, what you send to the SB is a
Another reason why I'm thinking a lot of people are not able to pick
this up is
1. By default the slim server or squeeze center software is set to play
wave files in flac mode by default. This is a fact. So if you haven't
changed the settings in files types to play in native wave then you
will
callesoroe;484748 Wrote:
Sean was right about the clock settings. You always have to let the
Tact be master to effect loop. I tried selecting Transporter, but that
resulted in distorted sound. Why is the possibillity there???
There might exist other DSP products which maintain a
callesoroe;484748 Wrote:
Wordclock on S/PDIF-out : Wordclock-out signal activated - Transporter
is Master
You should disable this one. It's only usable when Transporter is being
used as a DAC, AND is connected to a source that accepts a word clock
input.
Apparently the firmware is doing
Phil Leigh;484732 Wrote:
Guess I must be weird then? :-):D
Back to topic, I guess it won't be long before most of the established
firms making transports get into media streaming. At the moment, they
just add this as an option to other products (like my Denon AV amp,
for instance) but it
Louishlomador;484757 Wrote:
1. By default the slim server or squeeze center software is set to play
wave files in flac mode by default.
Seriously, I dont know what it is a wave file in flac mode... You
seem to think that the server sends PCM and the SB re-compresses into
FLAC on-the-fly ? Can
Themis;484767 Wrote:
Seriously, I dont know what it is a wave file in flac mode... You seem
to think that the server sends PCM and the SB re-compresses into FLAC
on-the-fly ? Can you please provide a link or tell us where did you get
this information from ?
This is what I know and have
Louishlomador wrote:
This is what I know and have been told in the past by Slim devices. All
I know for sure is that the wav file is converted to flac to save
bandwidth at playback.
I have never heard this in many years of using Slim Devices. It may be
true over wifi, but not over ethernet,
pfarrell;484781 Wrote:
Louishlomador wrote:
This is what I know and have been told in the past by Slim devices.
All
I know for sure is that the wav file is converted to flac to save
bandwidth at playback.
I have never heard this in many years of using Slim Devices. It may be
true
Louishlomador;484777 Wrote:
This is what I know and have been told in the past by Slim devices. All
I know for sure is that the wav file is converted to flac to save
bandwidth at playback. This is based on the fact that you have a wave
file. I had bandwidth issues in the past when I was
So if im using a DEQ2496 (I use either a Z-sys RDP-1 or a DEQ in the
efects loop) I should be using Asynchronous- external processor is
master in the effects loop clock mode?
I have been using the synchronous setting and have noticed a distorted
effect in the DEQ - I thought it may be digital
By default all lossless formats (including wav) are transcoded to flac
by the server, that's been the case for a long time IIRC. But it's
easily changeable as has been pointed out. Whether it makes a
difference, well we all have our opinions on that ;)
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kphinney;484737 Wrote:
I never said price = performance, but it just so happens that FLAC,
WAV, and ALAC rips sound less pleasing, less full, and a mere shadow of
a sound stage when played thru my $1600 TP as compared to my CD
Transport and DAC that pair up well for a hefty price. The
I am certainly not doubting that version 7.2.1 does send wav directly to
the squeezebox. That is 100% correct, however the latest version 7.4.1
whether you do the conversion or not, sounds just like playback of Flac.
Believe me there are sound differences between server versions even when
set to
loserica;484801 Wrote:
How does the TP compare as a transport to your CD transport ? Are you
using it via coax or aes/ebu ?
Thanks
The TP without DAC offers a much reduced soundstage and an analytical
sound that is mostly corrected with a tube amp and tube pre.
The TP with DAC is amazingly
Louishlomador;484802 Wrote:
Lets also not forget that flat doesn't give you the option to rip music
in 24bit format, while wav does, in 16bit or 24bit, depending on the rip
sofware.
Wrong.
- FLAC files can be 24 bit
- FLAC doesn't rip anything, FLAC is a file format
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Louishlomador;484802 Wrote:
I am certainly not doubting that version 7.2.1 does send wav directly to
the squeezebox. That is 100% correct, however the latest version 7.4.1
whether you do the conversion or not, sounds just like playback of Flac.
Believe me there are sound differences between
Rodney_Gold;484794 Wrote:
So if im using a DEQ2496 (I use either a Z-sys RDP-1 or a DEQ in the
efects loop) I should be using Asynchronous- external processor is
master in the effects loop clock mode?
I have been using the synchronous setting and have noticed a distorted
effect in the DEQ
Stratmangler;484811 Wrote:
What OS is your computer running.
Chris:)
Tried it on Vista, and Windows Server 2003 on both versions, still the
same issue.
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Louishlomador;484815 Wrote:
Tried it on Vista, and Windows Server 2003 on both versions, still the
same issue.
Clean install or overwrite ?
Chris:)
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Stratmangler;484818 Wrote:
Clean install or overwrite ?
Chris:)
Both versions of operating system, with both versions of slim server.
Completely removed, including deleting the actual folder and log files.
Still the same.
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Louishlomador;484820 Wrote:
Both versions of operating system, with both versions of slim server.
Completely removed, including deleting the actual folder and log files.
Still the same.
Just checking - I've had issues myself and now completely remove
installed versions before installing the
Stratmangler;484826 Wrote:
Just checking - I've had issues myself and now completely remove
installed versions before installing the latest version.
Can't say that I noticed any audible differences on the journey from
7.2 through to 7.4.1 , and at one stage I was doing A/B comparisons (2
On 12/11/09 22:54, seanadams wrote:
Rodney_Gold;484794 Wrote:
So if im using a DEQ2496 (I use either a Z-sys RDP-1 or a DEQ in the
efects loop) I should be using Asynchronous- external processor is
master in the effects loop clock mode?
I have been using the synchronous setting and have
Louishlomador;484666 Wrote:
Yes, there is a bit of a grey area here as if you had a cd player that
was capable of playing at 24bit 96khz it will sound better than a CD
player equiped with a dac capable of only 48khz, hence I rip at this
resolution to extract every as much info as possible
andyg;484847 Wrote:
No, that logging option is generally the same.
ok, I'll try this. So to understand this my expectation will be when
set to native based on a wave file, I'll expect streaming in Wav/PCM to
the SB? does the logs will show this? and when set to the default, thus
Flac it will
Louishlomador;484849 Wrote:
ok, I'll try this. So to understand this my expectation will be when set
to native based on a wave file, I'll expect streaming in Wav/PCM to the
SB? does the logs will show this? and when set to the default, thus Flac
it will show a different log?
Correct.
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Correct.
Ok, I'll test this for both versions 7.2.1 and 7.4.1 and keep you
posted at the weekend.
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Hi, if you want to verify the transcoding using (to see if there is a
bug such as WAV transcoding to FLAC even if you turn it off), go to
Settings - Advanced - Logging, change player.source to INFO, play a
file, and then view the server.log file. Buried among many log entries
will be the
No, that logging option is generally the same.
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ralphpnj;484841 Wrote:
Hi Louis,
I'm not really trying to muddy the waters any further then they already
seem to be but
The link you posted is all about RECORDING not RIPPING. There is a big,
big difference between the two.
When one is recording to digital or even converting an
andyg;484843 Wrote:
Hi, if you want to verify the transcoding using (to see if there is a
bug such as WAV transcoding to FLAC even if you turn it off), go to
Settings - Advanced - Logging, change player.source to INFO, play a
file, and then view the server.log file. Buried among many log
dagordon;482856 Wrote:
...But because of this, and for a couple of other reasons I'll mention
below, I wrote a Windows batch file to verify FLACs...Enjoy
Very cool, thanks.
I just ran this on my library - 34,000 FLAC files accumulated over the
last 5 years. It only reported 2 problems, both
Themis;484697 Wrote:
An alternative seems to be PS Audio : http://www.psaudio.com/
I have the PS audio Perfect wave dac in my system , the so called
bridge is still vapourware and will not replace a SB/TP it also wont
have a decent interface unless you own an Iphone or something...it's
IMHO
A couple thoughts on the subject. I HAVE been able to hear differences
on an SB3 between streaming flac or PCM (wav). A couple times I have
thought something was amiss, things were sounding flat. It turned out
to be the file type settings had been changed (I certainly didn't change
them)
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