Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter over ethernet

2010-02-02 Thread seanadams
Kuro;513102 Wrote: > Hi Sean, > > I know Logitech lists TP having crystal clock, but it never mentioned > whether there is a PLL anywhere in the design. It is good that it > doesn't. > > Can you explain the meaning of "incoming data is "pulled" on demand"? > Because this would imply you're do

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Antipodal filtering

2010-02-02 Thread Kuro
Phil Leigh;503281 Wrote: > For example my TACT uses an ASRC to up everything to 192k, whereas my > DAC uses an ASRC to up everything to 384k... > > My (debateable) theory is that by feeding my TACT 96k exclusively via > SOX I have given the TACT chip an easier life. I know that Sean feels > this

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter over ethernet

2010-02-02 Thread Kuro
seanadams;512847 Wrote: > This is totally wrong. There is no PLL and that is NOT how network > streamers work AT ALL. (although it has been done that way for > satellite, isochronous USB, and VOIP). > > In SB/TP, the outgoing data is clocked directly by a fixed crystal. The > incoming data is "

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter over ethernet

2010-02-02 Thread Kuro
earwaxer;512903 Wrote: > This description of sound improvement by Kuro is pretty close to what I > have experienced. Hi Waxer, Is it possible for you to try a different Wifi adaptor (say a USB 802.11G)and tell us whether the sound is different? -- Kuro ---

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter over ethernet

2010-02-02 Thread Kuro
Andy8421;513012 Wrote: > I think we may be at cross purposes here. Are you driving a DAC with > the transporter? or listening to the transporters analogue outputs? > While I still can't see how wired vs wireless would make any difference > (all other things being kept the same), I can see how u

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter over ethernet

2010-02-02 Thread Kuro
Themis;512841 Wrote: > No digital output is jitter free. Big Ben or whatever, you can only > reduce jitter, not eliminate it. In the same way that you can only > reduce (and never eliminate) distortions. > > Now, to come back to the PLL, your friend (senior engineer) must surely > have some meas

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter over ethernet

2010-02-02 Thread Andy8421
Kuro, I think we may be at cross purposes here. Are you driving a DAC with the transporter? or listening to the transporters analogue outputs? While I still can't see how wired vs wireless would make any difference (all other things being kept the same), I can see how using the word sync input

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Antipodal filtering

2010-02-02 Thread DaveWr
See page 5 of this post. the Transporter is a 4 bit DAC with sophisticated pre DAC up-sampling filters and dither algorithms Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 V

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Antipodal filtering

2010-02-02 Thread tingtong5
DaveWr;512912 Wrote: > Still don't forget the up-sampling filters in the Transporter > > Dave Which upsampling filters? As far as I know the transporter does not upsample at all (?) If you ment the DAC filtering, then yes they will do their job as well. -- tingtong5 -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Antipodal filtering

2010-02-02 Thread DaveWr
Still don't forget the up-sampling filters in the Transporter Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=6914

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter over ethernet

2010-02-02 Thread earwaxer
Kuro;512775 Wrote: > Hi Andy, > > In my finding, the TP's digital output is not jitter free, despite its > claim of a very stable clock. Putting an Apogee Big Ben with a linear > PS can still make a significant improvement in sound. Also, by asking > TP to use/sync the clock from my TacT 2.2xp

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Antipodal filtering

2010-02-02 Thread tingtong5
By the way, there already is a nice collection of graphs on the sox website that shows the impulse response for different rate parameters when upsampling from 44.1 to 96 kHz. +---+ |Filename: rate-44k1-96k.jpg

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Antipodal filtering

2010-02-02 Thread tingtong5
michael123;512671 Wrote: > nice > plz let me (us) know what did you get from each filter, and what did > you like the most Sure I will! However, the differences were small (or maybe I was tired yesterday..) and I was not able to draw any good conclusions. -- tingtong5 -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter over ethernet

2010-02-02 Thread seanadams
Kuro;512749 Wrote: > > The latency causes the uneven filling of the buffer may lead to PLL > perturbations, ending up in jitter at the output of the PLL. This is totally wrong. There is no PLL and that is NOT how network streamers work AT ALL. (although it has been done that way for satellite

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter over ethernet

2010-02-02 Thread Themis
Kuro;512749 Wrote: > > The latency causes the uneven filling of the buffer may lead to PLL > perturbations, ending up in jitter at the output of the PLL. This theory needs more than a cup and a water tank to prove it, sorry. No digital output is jitter free. Big Ben or whatever, you can only re

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Beatles 24 vs 16 bits...

2010-02-02 Thread firedog
ralphpnj;502594 Wrote: > Throwing my 2ยข in I can tell you that I spoke with my daughter's > boyfriend, who happens to be a digital mastering engineer, and he told > me the following: > > When music is prepared for issuing on a CD all the mixing and editing > is done at 24 bit and whatever sampli