Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Touch vs. Transporter digital output (again)

2010-05-25 Thread michael123
Once you got the Transporter, you shall better use AES3 than S/PDIF, but note that you need DAC in 5000$ range to beat the Transporter (which is still, questionable) -- michael123 michael123's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Touch vs. Transporter digital output (again)

2010-05-25 Thread Robin Bowes
On 25/05/10 07:35, michael123 wrote: Once you got the Transporter, you shall better use AES3 than S/PDIF Not necessarily. See previous posts on this subject (AES/EBU vs. S/PDIF) R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The sound of jitter

2010-05-25 Thread SoftwireEngineer
WHy all the trouble ? just use different digital cables ..A cable can be modeled as a RC network. -- SoftwireEngineer SoftwireEngineer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7000 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The sound of jitter

2010-05-25 Thread chill
SoftwireEngineer;550344 Wrote: WHy all the trouble ? just use different digital cables ..A cable can be modeled as a RC network. Yeah Andy, why go to all the trouble of setting up a controlled experiment with conditions that you can precisely manipulate and take to the necessary limits, when

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Touch vs. Transporter digital output (again)

2010-05-25 Thread bhaagensen
michael123;550335 Wrote: Once you got the Transporter, you shall better use AES3 than S/PDIF, but note that you need DAC in 5000$ range to beat the Transporter (which is still, questionable) +1 on Robin's comment. In this specific case I can add that I plan to use coax over BNC and that the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The sound of jitter

2010-05-25 Thread mswlogo
My guess is it will sound fine until you suddenly lose lock. -- mswlogo XP Cat5 Transporter/DuetController SPDIF Meridian G68 DSP6000, DSP5500HC, DSP5000 XP Cat5 SB3 SPDIF Meridian DSP5000 XP Cat5 DuetReceiver SPDIF Meridian G91 DSP5000 'My Transporter Setup'

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Touch vs. Transporter digital output (again)

2010-05-25 Thread mswlogo
Don't get me wrong I love my Transporter. But it's had the over voltage problem since I bought it (couple years now) and it's a simple firmware bug that has not been fixed. I would not buy one today unless this bug was fixed. It does not happen often, but would you buy a car that just quits on

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Touch vs. Transporter digital output (again)

2010-05-25 Thread michael123
I was asked this week for some comments via bugzilla for this specific bug, there is a hope it will be fixed (for 7.6?) -- michael123 michael123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23745 View this

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Touch vs. Transporter digital output (again)

2010-05-25 Thread michael123
bhaagensen;550370 Wrote: +1 on Robin's comment. In this specific case I can add that I plan to use coax over BNC and that the DAC in question, while not in that price range, has a distinctive sound that is a better match for my taste as well as the rest of my equipment. coax over BNC is BNC

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Touch vs. Transporter digital output (again)

2010-05-25 Thread mswlogo
michael123;550404 Wrote: mswlogo I was asked this week for some comments via bugzilla for this specific bug, there is a hope it will be fixed (for 7.6?) btw, I did hear the difference between SB3 and Transporter... Flat sound of SB3 was the reason it migrated to the bedroom and I got

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The sound of jitter

2010-05-25 Thread SoftwireEngineer
chill;550348 Wrote: Yeah Andy, why go to all the trouble of setting up a controlled experiment with conditions that you can precisely manipulate and take to the necessary limits, when instead you could 'just' go out and buy dozens of different cables with unknown properties, and probably

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Touch vs. Transporter digital output (again)

2010-05-25 Thread michael123
mswlogo;550412 Wrote: They are both absolutely 100% bit perfect (TosLink and Coax, Wifi and Wired). I've recorded the SPDIF on both and neither will miss a bit. Only difference may be jitter. But as dicussed elsewhere a good DAC will take care of that. With my audiolab 8000AP it did not

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The sound of jitter

2010-05-25 Thread nicolas75
mswlogo;550316 Wrote: Stop comparing Desktop/Server OS's to Embedded DSP. Apples and oranges. If someone was selling a Desktop or Server. Sure I'd want to hear 64bit. But that's NOT what we are dealing with. We are dealed with embedded OS or custom OS processing audio in real time. Who gives

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Touch vs. Transporter digital output (again)

2010-05-25 Thread mswlogo
michael123;550424 Wrote: With my audiolab 8000AP it did not sound well.. anyway, there are huge differences in construction of SB3, Touch and Transporter. Yes construction is different. most of Transporter's construction is for beefing up it's analog section. -- mswlogo XP Cat5

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The sound of jitter

2010-05-25 Thread mswlogo
nicolas75;550428 Wrote: Well, no need to get angry :-) I am not an hardware guy, and I am far more aware of the problem you have with old piece of software much less efficient than modern ones. I thought that taking advantage of modern hardware instruction set, over obsolete one, could be

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Touch vs. Transporter digital output (again)

2010-05-25 Thread bhaagensen
mswlogo;550412 Wrote: I've recorded the SPDIF on both and neither will miss a bit. Only difference may be jitter. Ah, interesting. You're then among the few ones who have actually looked into this in some detail. Is the testing setup/result/disclaimers/etc detalied somewhere on the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Touch vs. Transporter digital output (again)

2010-05-25 Thread bhaagensen
mswlogo;550437 Wrote: Yes construction is different. most of Transporter's construction is for beefing up it's analog section. But the digital section has certainly not been neglected, at least c.f. official data concerning jitter. -- bhaagensen

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The sound of jitter

2010-05-25 Thread bhaagensen
chill;550348 Wrote: Yeah Andy, why go to all the trouble of setting up a controlled experiment with conditions that you can precisely manipulate and take to the necessary limits, when instead you could 'just' go out and buy dozens of different cables with unknown properties, and probably

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The sound of jitter

2010-05-25 Thread SoftwireEngineer
bhaagensen;550488 Wrote: Easy guys :) ... I am cool..thanks ..with due respect to you..as you are from the land of the CEO of my company :-) please take a look at this article if you have not read it already http://www.stereophile.com/features/368/ -- SoftwireEngineer

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The sound of jitter

2010-05-25 Thread chill
SoftwireEngineer;550422 Wrote: chill out.. I'm chilled, honestly. My (admittedly sarcastic) point was that Andy's methodical approach, which will likely teach him and a few of us about the audible effects of jitter, is likely to be more useful to everyone else than his opinions about the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The sound of jitter

2010-05-25 Thread bhaagensen
SoftwireEngineer;550497 Wrote: ...as you are from the land of the CEO of my company :-) Lego then - I presume. Always appreciate useful links. I have read that one though - and also [one of?] his [R. Hartley] books. -- bhaagensen

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)

2010-05-25 Thread Zn0rt
Well, on SBS 7.5.0 on IE 8 with Silverlight installed the web interface works! See the attachment. And the menu items are all scattered randomly in the Home Menu item selector on the Duet Controller, but they are all there (all the items shown in the web interface, just all randomly mixed in

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)

2010-05-25 Thread krzys
krzys;543915 Wrote: To michael123, andywright and others I will resume the installation process. I installed 7.5, the Touch and manually installed the latest InguzEQ and InguzDSP, modified Michael's plugin.pm as Andy suggested and replaced the original plugin.pm with the modified one. Are