Nonreality;578191 Wrote:
Thanks Pat, that at least gives me a visual on the whole idea. So you
need to have special input and outputs to use those correct? Also
probably a pretty high end system to hear a difference. Is HDMI
considered balance?
HDMI is a whole different can of worms!.
mswlogo;578176 Wrote:
You guys seem to think the difference between 17 and 18 bits is
insignificant. It can be quite large.
But when you are talking 16 vs 17 vs 18 vs 19 bits I think you are in
an area that on *SOME systems with SOME rooms with SOME ears with SOME
music* this can make a
Phil Leigh;578195 Wrote:
HDMI is a whole different can of worms!.
Basically a TRUE balanced connection is:
balanced driver circuit+balanced connectors---balanced
cablebalanced connectors+balanced receiver circuit
So if your system had that you would know it when you bought it? It
would
Nonreality;578196 Wrote:
Doesn't seem that large.
It isn't. To put this into perspective, UK BBC radio - which people
used to rave about in the 70's in terms of its great sound quality on
Radio 3 (the classical station) - was basically 13-bit!.
One more time, it ain't the bits, it's what you
Phil Leigh;578198 Wrote:
It isn't. To put this into perspective, UK BBC radio - which people used
to rave about in the 70's in terms of its great sound quality on Radio 3
(the classical station) - was basically 13-bit!.
One more time, it ain't the bits, it's what you do with them :-)
Phil Leigh;576254 Wrote:
+1, Hmmm... I smell a rat
I think you guys killed it. I was waiting for more great claims. Now
we will never know.
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Any thought out there on how analog outputs of an unmodded Transporter
compare to the Perfectwave DAC?
Do the filters that the PWD use make that much difference?
Thanks for your thoughts.
--
twheatley
twheatley's
HDMI audio is digital (just like HDMI video), so the whole
balanced/unbalanced problem doesn't apply to it.
--
Soulkeeper
-that is not dead which can eternal lie. and with strange aeons even
death may die.-
duet + boom + radio (+touch on the way) / wrt160n/dd-wrt / sbs 7.5.1 or
mswlogo;578176 Wrote:
You guys seem to think the difference between 17 and 18 bits is
insignificant. It can be quite large.
I agree in 24bits music most systems and ears won't hear say the bottom
5 bits or so.
But when you are talking 16 vs 17 vs 18 vs 19 bits I think you are in
an
Nonreality;578196 Wrote:
Doesn't seem that large.
Well it all depends on your scale. But in an audiophile context I would
thinks it's huge- cf any possible benefit from different cables etc. And
what's more it actually makes sense.
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adamdea
Nonreality;578197 Wrote:
Ok so if you do have longer runs, what gets messed up sound wise? The
imaging? I hope this isn't too simplistic because I'm truly
interested.
Long runs of unbalanced cable are susceptible to interference, such as
picking up a hum from adjacent AC wires.
--
aubuti
adamdea;578263 Wrote:
But in an audiophile context I would thinks it's huge...
That's the problem with audiophiles, IMO - the excessive use of
hyperbole.
If going from a well recorded 16 bit CD recording to an 18 or 19 bit
high-rez recording is huge, what word does one use to describe the
adamdea;578263 Wrote:
If you mean the difference quantitatively- well a 19 bit number will
have 8 times as many possible values as a 16 bit number. The 19 bit
sample will therefore have 8 times more possible values than a 16 bit
sample.
adamdea;578263 Wrote:
But in an audiophile context I
jhonsber...@msn.com;578056 Wrote:
Thanks for your help .Im gonna get some cables from Blue Jean.
The slightly thinner RG-48? coax cables terminated w/ screw-on gold
plated RCA plugs from PartsExpress.com. It's flexible enough yet has
the solid core conductor that just sounded great to my ears.
On 09/22/2010 01:56 AM, Nonreality wrote:
Thanks Pat, that at least gives me a visual on the whole idea. So you
need to have special input and outputs to use those correct? Also
probably a pretty high end system to hear a difference.
You can get adapters from balanced to un and back, but I
pfarrell;578300 Wrote:
On 09/22/2010 01:56 AM, Nonreality wrote:
Thanks Pat, that at least gives me a visual on the whole idea. So
you
need to have special input and outputs to use those correct? Also
probably a pretty high end system to hear a difference.
You can get adapters from
adamdea;578263 Wrote:
If you mean the difference quantitatively- well a 19 bit number will
have 8 times as many possible values as a 16 bit number. The 19 bit
sample will therefore have 8 times more possible values than a 16 bit
sample. People seem to get excited going from SD to HD Tv which
Nonreality;578202 Wrote:
I think you guys killed it. I was waiting for more great claims. Now
we will never know.
One can only hope. Do we really need more? Once they use Magic and
Night and Day Difference its time to hide your wallet!
Maybe I'm not an Audiophool after all because anybody
Many seems to believe it is signal to noise ratio or dynamic range that
matters. Many will say that 16/44.1 is good enough for archiving vinyl,
for example, as the s/n of vinyl is only about 70dB and CD is 96dB.
But it is resolution that is important, not just s/n! You would think
that 16bit is
A veil has indeed lifted... a veil of BS :-)
--
Phil Leigh
You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it
ain't what you'd call minimal...
Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF
Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system
Phil Leigh;578190 Wrote:
You will get varying answers to this. IMO, no, it doesn't matter for 3ft
connections at line level, such as between SB and pre-amp/amp. Balanced
is really important for very low level signals such as microphones.
I'm one of the people who disagrees with Phil on this.
cliveb;578352 Wrote:
I'm one of the people who disagrees with Phil on this.
The most obvious benefit of balanced is the relative immunity to
interference because of the common mode rejection effect. (Simplistic
explanation: the induced noise is in phase on the two signal wires, and
when
As I understand it the issue is how AC mains leakage current flows
between boxes. With unbalanced the leakage current goes through the
shield which is the voltage reference for the hot conductor, thus the
noise generated from the leakage current is directly added to the
signal. With a balanced
I think you have to look at how the bits are delivered. My personal
experience with the Transporter is that it gets the bits from the
server (laptop) as well as can be done with today's technology. Thats
my opinion from what I can glean from the discussions to date.
Much debate on the USB,
Replace the crossovers in your speakers. Hack the suckers open. After
you have done some good research of course. Look at the sound you are
hearing, ask yourself, what do I want? Change the caps as needed. Huge
difference. I guarantee that the speakers have crap for caps! Its
economics. They are
OGS;578329 Wrote:
Well it isn't. At -54dB ref 0dBFS 16bit we're at 7bit resolution, not
16. At -66 to -72dB where vinyl surface noise is (and maybe some tape
hiss) we're at 4 to 5 bit resolution. Try recording something at 6-7bit
resolution. It sounds bad!
Huh? If the levels are maxed
earwaxer9;578417 Wrote:
I guarantee that the speakers have crap for caps! Its economics. They
are not going to put $150 caps in your speakers unless they go for $10K
retail! Buy good speaker tech and rep and replace the wires and
crossover.
Good advice but this is not as easy to archive as
Wombat;578421 Wrote:
Good advice but this is not as easy to archive as it sounds. Be warned
that some capable speaker designers add special caps in the right
place. Simply exchanging them doesn´t make your speaker better. It may
break the voicing that was done by the developer completely.
I saw that you ripped 600 plus cds to hard drive in FLAC.
Get used to re-ripping your collection! I did the same (to WAV) and
ended up re-ripping to 24/96 WAV with dbpoweramp. The Transporter does
a better job with 24/96 than it does with 16/44.1. Dont know why, but
others who know more have
I build speakers since ~25 years and you may wonder what cheap parts are
even in high priced Infinitys back in the 90s. Many electrolytics cause
their 18dB filter design back then would have been way to expensive.
Foil caps were very expensive back then! Most likely you can exchange
some old
The resolution and maximum SNR/DR is a fixed property of the bit-depth.
What changes on a sample-by-sample basis is the SNR depending on the
sample value.
So a quiet passage won't have less resolution - all 16/24 bits are
still being used to represent it, but it will have a lower SNR.
Just like
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