Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is the best top end player now ?

2012-10-25 Thread jh901
ralphpnj wrote: Good post. One minor comment: why the focus on SACD players. Streaming 24bit/88.2 or 96 kHz high resolution files via either the Touch or Transporter into a DAC of your choice should result in the same quality as SACD playback plus you can stream these files to any room. For

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is the best top end player now ?

2012-10-25 Thread ralphpnj
jh901 wrote: This would be terrific if the primary driver of digital sound quality was the bitrate, etc. There are so many 16/44 PCM redbook CDs with better sound quality that any hi-res available simply because the modern day mastering engineer shoots for loudness and doesn't understand

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] If external DAC used, does SB3 or Touch make much difference?

2012-10-25 Thread jezbo
I've taken the plunge and ordered a Beresford Bushmaster DAC (TC-7530DC). I currently have an SB3, but have read opinions that the best combination possible is a Touch feeding an external DAC. But why? Given that the DAC circuitry in the Squeezebox device doesn't come into it, how much of an

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] If external DAC used, does SB3 or Touch make much difference?

2012-10-25 Thread chill
I have an SB3 and a Touch, and have had both hooked up to my Dacmagic on occasions. I have not been able to distinguish between the two Squeezeboxes. If you don't need the extra bells and whistles of the Touch, save your money.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] If external DAC used, does SB3 or Touch make much difference?

2012-10-25 Thread garym
I agree that it is doubtful that you could hear a difference. Those that can measure these things think that the S/PDIF coax path measures better in the TOUCH. The power supply in the touch seems much less noisy to me (interference with other things near by, like an FM tuner). The Touch can

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What is the best top end player now ?

2012-10-25 Thread jh901
ralphpnj wrote: Agreed. However that was not what I asked, which is when a high resolution, good sounding and well produced master of a recording is available why do you seem to prefer the SACD version over the 24bit/88.2 or 96kHz files version? In other words disc playback instead of

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] If external DAC used, does SB3 or Touch make much difference?

2012-10-25 Thread aubuti
There was a fair bit of discussion after the Touch's release (and even before release once the secret was out and beta testers could discuss it on the forums) about the comparative quality of the SB3/Classic digital outs and the Touch's. A lot of people, including some whose opinions I respect a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] If external DAC used, does SB3 or Touch make much difference?

2012-10-25 Thread Mnyb
I see it as a threshold phenomen once the signal is good enough for your DAC to cope with it you can't tell the difference. But modern DAC's are very good at coping with bad signals and even the most humble modern source is good enough anyway . I remember different times in the 90's where

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] If external DAC used, does SB3 or Touch make much difference?

2012-10-25 Thread jezbo
Thanks guys, it's all about the sound for me. Personally I do like the retro mono-colour look of the SB3 display. I don't need touch-screen features, not if I can't take it to the sofa! jezbo's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] If external DAC used, does SB3 or Touch make much difference?

2012-10-25 Thread gorman
Can SB3 do 24/96 through SPDIF? I thought SPDIF didn't have bandwidth enough. gorman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96868

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] If external DAC used, does SB3 or Touch make much difference?

2012-10-25 Thread garym
gorman wrote: Can SB3 do 24/96 through SPDIF? I thought SPDIF didn't have bandwidth enough. No. But that's because of LMS talking with the SB3 not the S/PDIF itself. garym's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] If external DAC used, does SB3 or Touch make much difference?

2012-10-25 Thread Stratmangler
gorman wrote: Can SB3 do 24/96 through SPDIF? I thought SPDIF didn't have bandwidth enough. Coaxial SPDIF can handle 24/192. The optical link maxes out at 24/96. The SB3 maxes out at 24/48. Stratmangler's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] If external DAC used, does SB3 or Touch make much difference?

2012-10-25 Thread Mnyb
gorman wrote: Can SB3 do 24/96 through SPDIF? I thought SPDIF didn't have bandwidth enough. Nope it's a hardware limit I don't think it can do it at all . The DAC chip is probably ok with it but not the CPU and ram .