Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"

2016-04-23 Thread ralphpnj
Wombat wrote: > Didn't Rey bypass the compressor in the millenium flacon with an > Audioquest cable? No believe that they were Nordost, all that Viking imagery works better in a battle. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-E

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"

2016-04-23 Thread Wombat
ralphpnj wrote: > Who knows maybe in the Star Wars universe digital cable really do make a > difference! Didn't Rey bypass the compressor in the millenium flacon with an Audioquest cable? Transporter (modded) -> RG142 -> Avantgarde Acoustic based 500VA monoblocks -> Sommer SPK240 -> self-made

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"

2016-04-23 Thread ralphpnj
philippe_44 wrote: > Be careful, if you start to throw Star Wars, into the mix, we are > entering into a very serious topic now, for real :) > > EVERY audio gear sounds better after having watched the proper episode > of the serie Who knows maybe in the Star Wars universe digital cable really d

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"

2016-04-23 Thread philippe_44
ralphpnj wrote: > Measurements are to a Stereophile equipment review as science is to a > Star Wars movie. Be careful, if you start to throw Star Wars, into the mix, we are entering into a very serious topic now, for real :) EVERY audio gear sounds better after having watched the proper episode

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"

2016-04-23 Thread Mnyb
Julf wrote: > And the pro audio world has pretty much solved these issues - which is, > I guess, why audiophiles hate pro audio. Of course pro audio are going > all-digital (can you say AES67?). Yes its noteven consitent wiothin the same brand save a test once with a pre amp power amp combo from

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"

2016-04-23 Thread ralphpnj
Julf wrote: > And the pro audio world has pretty much solved these issues - which is, > I guess, why audiophiles hate pro audio. Of course pro audio are going > all-digital (can you say AES67?). Not only all digital but all PCM digital. No DSD. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-V

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"

2016-04-23 Thread Julf
ralphpnj wrote: > And all of these are fairly well understood electrical properties not > magic and not voodoo, as they are often portrayed in the audiophile > press. And the pro audio world has pretty much solved these issues - which is, I guess, why audiophiles hate pro audio. Of course pro au

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"

2016-04-23 Thread ralphpnj
Mnyb wrote: > And you stll sometimes needs to match components due to varying output > levels and gain between products ? A stadRdised output level and > baseline gain would do so much , sometimes your just amplifing input > noise Mnyb wrote: > O i forgot to mention impedance And all of these

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"

2016-04-23 Thread Mnyb
O i forgot to mention impedance Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fos

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"

2016-04-23 Thread ralphpnj
arnyk wrote: > The reason being that such a high proportion of audio gear has inaudible > distortion, and that producing gear with really good measured > performance is relatively easy. The common exception is part of just > about every system, and its the transducers and the environment that >

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"

2016-04-23 Thread arnyk
ralphpnj wrote: > Silly me! I forgot that measurements, at least in the world of high end > audio, are a double edged sword: > > Super expensive equipment "sounds" great but measures poorly - > measurements prove nothing! > > Inexpensive equipment measures good but not great - measurements don'

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"

2016-04-23 Thread ralphpnj
Julf wrote: > No, it could well happen - only to "prove" that measurements don't tell > the whole story. Silly me! I forgot that measurements, at least in the world of high end audio, are a double edged sword: Super expensive equipment "sounds" great but measures poorly - measurements prove not

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"

2016-04-23 Thread Julf
ralphpnj wrote: > As we all know the above will NEVER EVER happen. No, it could well happen - only to "prove" that measurements don't tell the whole story. "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"

2016-04-23 Thread arnyk
ralphpnj wrote: > So let's try and come up with potential ways that measurements might be > useful. > > Here's one: > > Take a baseline set of measurement for a power amp using a standard > receptacle, standard (stock) power cord and no power conditioner. > > Next take a set measurements with

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power cables don't just seem like a scam - they actually are.

2016-04-23 Thread Mnyb
ralphpnj wrote: > My guess is that Mr. Waldrep doesn't care about getting any "long term" > equipment loans or getting additional advertising revenue for his web > site. Honesty is nice but it does come with a rather steep price. Well if you are a sound engineer professionally you got to have eq

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"

2016-04-23 Thread ralphpnj
So let's try and come up with potential ways that measurements might be useful. Here's one: Take a baseline set of measurement for a power amp using a standard receptacle, standard (stock) power cord and no power conditioner. Next take a set measurements with the same power amp using: 1) an au

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power cables don't just seem like a scam - they actually are.

2016-04-23 Thread ralphpnj
Wombat wrote: > This Waldrep is another nominee for the Balls Of Steel award in > audioland! > I wonder at what point he decided to counter argument this madness > emerging around him driven by charlartans? My guess is that Mr. Waldrep doesn't care about getting any "long term" equipment loans o

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power cables don't just seem like a scam - they actually are.

2016-04-23 Thread Mnyb
Wombat wrote: > This Waldrep is another nominee for the Balls Of Steel award in > audioland! > I wonder at what point he decided to counter argument this madness > emerging around him driven by charlartans? He is nice it's probably known to most here that he runs AIX records and itrax making ver

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power cables don't just seem like a scam - they actually are.

2016-04-23 Thread Wombat
This Waldrep is another nominee for the Balls Of Steel award in audioland! I wonder at what point he decided to counter argument this madness emerging around him driven by charlartans? Transporter (modded) -> RG142 -> Avantgarde Acoustic based 500VA monoblocks -> Sommer SPK240 -> self-made spea

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power cables don't just seem like a scam - they actually are.

2016-04-23 Thread Julf
What keeps amazing me is the boundless optimism of audiophiles. Rather incredible claim A shown to be false or fake. Rather incredible claim B shown to be false or fake. Rather incredible claim C shown to be false or fake. Rather incredible claim D shown to be false or fake. Rather incredible cla

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"

2016-04-23 Thread Mnyb
But they are actually in most cases technically correct measurements . The real fun starts when they try to explain away really badly measuring products that they like :) while avoiding the topic of human hearings is not actually that good or you migth prefer this kind of distortion etc -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power cables don't just seem like a scam - they actually are.

2016-04-23 Thread ralphpnj
To paraphrase an old joke: How do you tell when a high end audio manufacturer/reviewer/salesman is lying? Their lips are moving. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"

2016-04-23 Thread ralphpnj
Measurements are to a Stereophile equipment review as science is to a Star Wars movie. Given some lip service but otherwise completely ignored. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: T

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power cables don't just seem like a scam - they actually are.

2016-04-23 Thread Julf
'Nordost and AXPONA Demo Questions - By Mark Waldrep' (http://www.realhd-audio.com/?p=5656) 'Nordost Demo MysteriesÂ…Solved! Part II' (http://www.realhd-audio.com/?p=5659) "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiostream's "Silent Majority"

2016-04-23 Thread Mnyb
pablolie wrote: > i am subscribed to Stereophile, and enjoy it. it is in no way my "bible" > in all things audio (not publication is, ever), but the pictures are > beautifully taken and the writing is good. of course there is a lot of > stuff that makes me raise an eyebrow and disagree, but hey,