Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] An interesting video

2010-02-09 Thread Themis
It's easy to talk about auditive limitations. There have been experiments since the 40's-50's with recordings and live audience. Now, the hard thing is to draw a clear line between these limitations and genuine differences. In this respect, only few people achieve a good balance. The others,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] An interesting video

2010-02-09 Thread Phil Leigh
Themis;515426 Wrote: It's easy to talk about auditive limitations. There have been experiments since the 40's-50's with recordings and live audience. Now, the hard thing is to draw a clear line between these limitations and genuine differences. In this respect, only few people achieve a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] An interesting video

2010-02-09 Thread cliveb
Themis;515426 Wrote: It's easy to talk about auditive limitations. There have been experiments since the 40's-50's with recordings and live audience. Now, the hard thing is to draw a clear line between these limitations and genuine differences. In this respect, only few people achieve a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] An interesting video

2010-02-09 Thread Phil Leigh
cliveb;515460 Wrote: Any audiophile who claims to be immune to non-auditory influences when doing a sighted listening test is quite simply denying their own humanity. totally agree - this is going to be the flashpoint for some people... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] An interesting video

2010-02-09 Thread Themis
The sighted tests are not worthless. It's the way you listen to things every day ! They are simply worthless when you claim drawing universal conclusions from them: you need controlled environments to draw conclusions. Nevertheless, they can be a starting point. On the other hand, most AB/X

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] An interesting video

2010-02-09 Thread Phil Leigh
http://blog.stereophile.com/rmaf2009/breakthrough_approach_to_audio_measurement/ This blog mentions the AES event in question. Clearly Ethan struck a few nerves! Makes this forum positively genteel by comparison! -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] An interesting video

2010-02-09 Thread Themis
I like conversations between JA and EW... :D Thanks for the link, Phil. -- Themis SB3 - North Star dac 192 - Croft 25Pre and Series 7 power - Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus Themis's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] An interesting video

2010-02-09 Thread bhaagensen
So by those fella's: If I believe that my 5K power-chord sounds better than a 3K, 1K, 500, 200, 50, free-for-collection-chord, then it *will* for all intents and purposes indeed sound better... which was the only reason I bought it to begin with. I don't see any problems. Plus, it probably looks

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] An interesting video

2010-02-08 Thread cliveb
The Audiophile group often has some moderately heated discussions about what people hear and why. Some of us point out that what you hear is affected by other non-auditory factors. Here's a very instructive video from an AES workshop. It should be mandatory viewing for anyone who thinks that what

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] An interesting video

2010-02-08 Thread DaveWr
Clive, Absolutely agree about the perception issues. I still think you have to take care on Ethan, he prefixes his comments with 'on loud rock or pop music' frequently. The real value of this type of video, is in making sure 'in Dirty Harry's word' a guy knows his limitations. Dave --

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] An interesting video

2010-02-08 Thread Phil Leigh
Clive - brilliant! - see those null tests near the end... that's what ADM does :-) Watching this made my day. I thought 13 bits sounded pretty good... makes sense really, since that's what the BBC has effectively been broadcasting on FM since the late 60's -- Phil Leigh You want to see the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] An interesting video

2010-02-08 Thread Phil Leigh
cliveb;515169 Wrote: I particularly liked Poppy Crum's demo of the satanic backwards messages on Stairway to Heaven. I thought even 10 bits was OK. Which is not really that surprising, since that's about what the average vinyl LP is capable of - and for some peverse reason I *still*

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] An interesting video

2010-02-08 Thread DaveWr
Clive, Phil, Feel sorry for the 24bit Beatles remaster buyers then. According to the video 13 to 14 bits max quality? Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] An interesting video

2010-02-08 Thread Phil Leigh
DaveWr;515177 Wrote: Clive, Phil, Feel sorry for the 24bit Beatles remaster buyers then. According to the video 13 to 14 bits max quality? Dave Well, I have 2 of them (AR and LIB) and they sound great. Do they sound any better than the same files down-rated to 16-bit... probably not.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] An interesting video

2010-02-08 Thread DaveWr
I think it was their figures on the Studer tape gear 70 to 75db SNR issue. Well I have 24 bit stuff that sounds great as well. No comment yet. Maybe if it were 16bit, it would also still be great. Dave -- DaveWr

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] An interesting video

2010-02-08 Thread dizzysnakepilot
enjoyable video, thanks for posting. ive yet to audition the samples on my transporter but looking forward to it. -- dizzysnakepilot dizzysnakepilot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32043 View