Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does variability matter in audio?

2012-02-01 Thread adamdea
I think that getting the proper relationship between art and engineering is the key here. - music is art audio is engineering - when I listen to music and am moved it's the music which moved me not the hifi - when I listen to the same piece on different occasions with identical kit in the same

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does variability matter in audio?

2012-02-01 Thread magiccarpetride
adamdea;687773 Wrote: I think that getting the proper relationship between art and engineering is the key here. - music is art audio is engineering - when I listen to music and am moved it's the music which moved me not the hifi - when I listen to the same piece on different occasions

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does variability matter in audio?

2012-01-31 Thread magiccarpetride
Anyone who has ever assembled a good working hi fi system is no doubt aware that such system involves many moving parts. In addition to that, there are seemingly endless combinations, recombinations and permutations of various components, audio accessories, room treatments etc. Given such an

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does variability matter in audio?

2012-01-31 Thread magiccarpetride
Phil Leigh;687689 Wrote: Far too many audiophiles fall into the trap of believing that every little thing can make an audible difference. It can't/doesn't. Learning what can/does takes years of experience... Discuss. Far too many audiophiles fall into the trap of believing that every little

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does variability matter in audio?

2012-01-31 Thread Phil Leigh
magiccarpetride;687692 Wrote: Far too many audiophiles fall into the trap of believing that every little thing cannot make an audible difference. It can/does. You have failed the test. Simple gainsaying cuts no mustard 'round here... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does variability matter in audio?

2012-01-31 Thread magiccarpetride
Phil Leigh;687693 Wrote: You have failed the test. Simple gainsaying cuts no mustard 'round here... Gotcha. What variability, then, makes a noteworthy difference in your opinion? -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does variability matter in audio?

2012-01-31 Thread Phil Leigh
magiccarpetride;687698 Wrote: Gotcha. What variability, then, makes a noteworthy difference in your opinion? Assuming adequate amplification and well made cabling, it would be in order: state of mind, well recorded/mastered music, speakers, speaker placement/room treatments and/or DRC, DAC,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does variability matter in audio?

2012-01-31 Thread magiccarpetride
Phil Leigh;687700 Wrote: Assuming adequate amplification and well made cabling, it would be in order: state of mind, well recorded/mastered music, speakers, speaker placement/room treatments and/or DRC, DAC, then transport, mains filtering, availability of malt whisky or good red wine (see

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does variability matter in audio?

2012-01-31 Thread Phil Leigh
magiccarpetride;687702 Wrote: I've noticed you haven't bothered mentioning Shakti Stones. A simple error of omission, or was it intentional? I'm not a fan, although their second album was a marked improvement over their sophomore effort. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does variability matter in audio?

2012-01-31 Thread magiccarpetride
Phil Leigh;687705 Wrote: I'm not a fan, although their second album was a marked improvement over their sophomore effort. I agree, it is really down to one's personal taste. -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does variability matter in audio?

2012-01-31 Thread vett93
Music is an emotional subject to many of us. This is why we spent time here in this forum. Our experiences may be different and cause heated debate. But in this case, you two may not be that far apart. Your Shunyata power cords have ferrite built in. This is similar to Phil's ferrite clamps on

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does variability matter in audio?

2012-01-31 Thread darrell
vett93;687720 Wrote: Music is an emotional subject to many of us. Perhaps to all of us. But the mistake many audiophiles make is to conflate the music with the means of reproduction, which is, unquestionably, science. -- darrell

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does variability matter in audio?

2012-01-31 Thread mlsstl
A substantial part of the problem with choosing and configuring equipment for the reproduction of music is there are no standards on the recording side of things. There isn't any control of variables on that side of the equation, so it isn't surprising that things are doubly all over the place

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does variability matter in audio?

2012-01-31 Thread dasmueller
magiccarpetride;687702 Wrote: I've noticed you haven't bothered mentioning Shakti Stones. A simple error of omission, or was it intentional? Where do I find this group ? All Music Guide does not list them but there is a ref on the web to a Shakti group w John McLaughlin. -- dasmueller

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does variability matter in audio?

2012-01-31 Thread vett93
darrell;687728 Wrote: Perhaps to all of us. But the mistake many audiophiles make is to conflate the music with the means of reproduction, which is, unquestionably, science. By definition, does an audiophile have to tweak the system to improve sound reproduction (e.g., moving speakers

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does variability matter in audio?

2012-01-31 Thread Archimago
vett93;687745 Wrote: By definition, does an audiophile have to tweak the system to improve sound reproduction (e.g., moving speakers around, experiment this and that, etc.) to qualify as one? I don't think so. I actually like this line from the audiophile wikipedia entry: 'Some audiophiles