vdorta;258591 Wrote:
LEDR? What LEDR?
I have owned and used the LEDR (Chesky Records Jazz Sampler and
Audiophile Test CD, Vol 1) for several years.
then if your not experienceing the illusion I'd suggest that there is
something a miss this can be any number of things ranging from
Nicely put zanash. Oh, you gave me a good idea. I'll try that track on
my kids' computer speakers!
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Yes I've tried it on mine its relatively feeble but they are only 2'
apart and very small.
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vdorta;258869 Wrote:
alekz and zanash, thanks for the efforts, but I was just trying to be
funny. Of course LEDR works as advertised.
Phhhoooeeey... what a relief ... other threads in this forum made your
tongue in the cheek less visible without a smile drawn on it with a
permanent marker...
alekz and zanash, thanks for the efforts, but I was just trying to be
funny. Of course LEDR works as advertised.
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Timothy Stockman;258672 Wrote:
Suzanne Ciani's disc Hotel Luna may be ordered from her web site:
http://www.sevwave.com/isell3/results.php?action=showproductscategory=Limited%20Compact%20Disc
Also available at the usual sites like Amazon:
alekz;258605 Wrote:
Have you heard the sample from the above mentioned disk?
Not yet - the disk is on order. However, perhaps I should clarify my
earlier post...OK here goes:
A speaker - like a microphone - is ultimately a very simple device in
its purest form. It is a diaphragm that moves
Phil Leigh;258934 Wrote:
Not yet - the disk is on order.
Good! Let's wait a bit, then :-)
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alekz;258937 Wrote:
Good! Let's wait a bit, then :-)
I think you misunderstand me! ... I've spent 25+ years messing around
in studios with this sort of stuff. I have no doubt I'll hear the
effect :o)
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ain't
Phil Leigh;258939 Wrote:
I think you misunderstand me! ... I've spent 25+ years messing around in
studios with this sort of stuff. I have no doubt I'll hear the effect
:o)
Oh, sorry! I thought by saying:
Phil Leigh Wrote:
Cannot be achieved by speakers in a fixed position for fairly
alekz;258947 Wrote:
Oh, sorry! I thought by saying:
you meant that it's not possible to hear that effect. My apologies! I
should have read with more attention. This phrase explains it:
You got it! - I realised I wasn't clear, hence the lengthy post!
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Soundstage height? It doesn't exist! I know everything sounds the same!
I refuse to look through that demonic telescope!
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vdorta;258454 Wrote:
Soundstage height? It doesn't exist! I know everything sounds the same!
I refuse to look through that demonic telescope!
Ha-ha... Try that disc before making such statements. It DOES work.
BTW, you have two ears placed horizontally. In the real life, how do
you know if
alekz;258580 Wrote:
Ha-ha... Try that disc before making such statements. It DOES work.
LEDR? What LEDR?
I have owned and used the LEDR (Chesky Records Jazz Sampler and
Audiophile Test CD, Vol 1) for several years.
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alekz;258580 Wrote:
Ha-ha... Try that disc before making such statements. It DOES work.
BTW, you have two ears placed horizontally. In the real life, how do
you know if the sound comes from above or from beneath?
Because that is actually where the sound comes from in real life! -
Cannot be
vdorta;258591 Wrote:
LEDR? What LEDR?
I have owned and used the LEDR (Chesky Records Jazz Sampler and
Audiophile Test CD, Vol 1) for several years.
Yes, LEDR. In my system it works precisely like explained in the notes.
The source of the sound rises up (left speaker, then right), then
Phil Leigh;258601 Wrote:
Because that is actually where the sound comes from in real life! -
Cannot be achieved by speakers in a fixed position for fairly obvious
reasons...
Have you heard the sample from the above mentioned disk?
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Suzanne Ciani's disc Hotel Luna may be ordered from her web site:
http://www.sevwave.com/isell3/results.php?action=showproductscategory=Limited%20Compact%20Disc
Also available at the usual sites like Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Hotel-Luna-Suzanne-Ciani/dp/B000KK/ref=m_art_pr_6
Track 3,
alekz;258608 Wrote:
Yes, LEDR. In my system it works precisely like explained in the notes.
The source of the sound rises up (left speaker, then right), then makes
an arch.
alekz;258608 Wrote:
Yes, LEDR. In my system it works precisely like explained in the notes.
The source of the sound
zanash;257908 Wrote:
An interesting aside
to generate a perception of depth and height ..get the chesky test disc
http://www.chesky.com/core/details.cfm?productcode=JD037productcategoryid=1
track 11
this simulates both up and down and depthvia a chirping sound
this has
I use that particular track extensively, whenever tweaking my speaker
placement. It sounds like it's a handheld air puffer being recorded.
They run it three times- left and right channel up, left to right
arc (and back), and left to right lateral (and back). I never
heard it properly until I
Thanks - interesting article. Seems the LEDR uses psycho-acoustic
trickery (aka convolving reverb) to fool the brain.
This wouldn't work for anything much more complex than a single sound
source being moved in this fashion. I'll pick up the Chesky disk and
give it a spin...
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Do any of you know if there is a downloadable version available?
thanks
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It doesn't real say on liner notes just calls it LEDR Listening
Environment Diagnostic Recording
I found this
http://www.stereophile.com/features/772/
using the up test I get a slight flat top but a smooth curve up and
down o both sides using my ML Aerius i's
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Please don't misunderstand me - I know how to simulate depth through
phase/eq manipulation in the studio...but it is just a simulation or
psycho-acoustic trick, it's not real. Seems the LEDR track also manages
to do this with height which is clever.
It's when people talk about realistic
zanash;257985 Wrote:
...using the up test I get a slight flat top but a smooth curve up and
down o both sides using my ML Aerius i's
Ha! I had Aerius i's, before moving up to the Summits! As for LEDR
height, try adusting the speaker tilt. Here's an old post (from the ML
Owners Club)
The track Rain from the Suzanne Ciani disc Hotel Luna has some
fairly interesting stereo effects with the synth-generated raindrops.
I think the key to hearing it the way it was intended is to have good
phase linearity in your speakers.
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The Prosonus uses a spatial reverberator to create the effect. In 1989
this took a mainframe - can now be done by pretty much any modern DSP
chip. It's completely manmade!
What it is doing is to mimic the way our ears work to locate sounds in
3-d and then basically invert the process, causing our
Here's a link to that Chesky CD. Unfortunately, they don't have an mp3
or FLAC downloadable version, but the CD is still available.
http://www.chesky.com/core/details.cfm?productcode=JD037category=1
One caveat though, folks ordering from Chesky direct have reported lots
of problems with
sleepysurf;258033 Wrote:
I suggest using a more reliable source.
... eMule ;-)
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Phil Leigh;258016 Wrote:
Please don't misunderstand me - I know how to simulate depth through
phase/eq manipulation in the studio...but it is just a simulation or
psycho-acoustic trick, it's not real.
If fact, stereo itself is an auditory illusion, whether it's recorded
by microphones or
Timothy - I've written about the stereo illusion in the past - and been
flamed for it!
Where can one find the Ciani recordings?
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ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann
JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS
Good article in Feb Hi-Fi News by Barry Willis and Dr. Doug Mahar on
human hearing.
Their observations and conclusions on the stereo illusion and
height/depth (or rather the lack of it!) in most playback situations is
very interesting...although annoyingly they sort of chicken-out in the
final
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