Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I don't think it gets loud enough

2007-04-28 Thread ModelCitizen
PhilNYC;198150 Wrote: > My understanding of the Bryston amps is that they have a gain selector, > and that the specs listed in that thread are listed incorrectly (the > different input sensitivities are for the different gain selections, > not balanced vs. unbalanced). I could be wrong, however.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I don't think it gets loud enough

2007-04-28 Thread PhilNYC
ModelCitizen;198017 Wrote: > Does seem odd doesn't it. I've just been looking at the Bryston 4B ST > specs and the balanced output is 6db higher than the unbalanced... > however the input sensitivity varies between the two types too... if I > guess right (which I probably haven't) this negates th

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I don't think it gets loud enough

2007-04-28 Thread seanadams
cliveb;198144 Wrote: > There is no law that requires this. However, it's a natural consequence > of the way that balanced signals are usually derived: the single-ended > signal is duplicated, but phase-inverted. The difference between these > two out-of-phase components (which constitutes the ove

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I don't think it gets loud enough

2007-04-28 Thread nuhi
Mentioning just in case, don't forget to disable Replaygain, it was too silent for me too even with the preamp (RG at default 89dB). -- nuhi nuhi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10571 View this t

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I don't think it gets loud enough

2007-04-28 Thread cliveb
discocarp;198096 Wrote: > I wish I could tell you why. I just know I read all over that balanced > is 6db louder than unbalanced. There is no law that requires this. However, it's a natural consequence of the way that balanced signals are usually derived: the single-ended signal is duplicated, bu

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I don't think it gets loud enough

2007-04-28 Thread discocarp
I wish I could tell you why. I just know I read all over that balanced is 6db louder than unbalanced. This poor little beginner level audiophile named discocarp is at the edge of his knowledge. :) -- discocarp discocarp'

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I don't think it gets loud enough

2007-04-27 Thread ModelCitizen
Does seem odd doesn't it. I've just been looking at the Bryston 4B ST specs and the balanced output is 6db higher than the unbalanced... however the input sensitivity varies between the two types too... if I guess right (which I probably haven't) this negates the gain. The figures can be seen in t

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I don't think it gets loud enough

2007-04-27 Thread Deaf Cat
discocarp;197975 Wrote: > One thought, balanced would have 6db more gain than the rca connections > right? I've read that xlr's are louder than rca'swhy? -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I don't think it gets loud enough

2007-04-27 Thread discocarp
One thought, balanced would have 6db more gain than the rca connections right? -- discocarp discocarp's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7814 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthre

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I don't think it gets loud enough

2007-04-27 Thread alZmtbr
According to the PDF for the 4B ST there are level setting screws on the front panel "PROFESSIONAL MODELS ONLY". See technical Info for legacy amps at http://www.bryston.ca -- alZmtbr alZmtbr's Profile: http://forums.slim

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I don't think it gets loud enough

2007-04-27 Thread discocarp
PhilNYC;197963 Wrote: > The input sensitivity on the Krell amp is 2.33Vrms (and gain of 25db), > so it does appear that the 2 Vrms isn't quite enough... So then its live with it or get a preamp, right? -- discocarp disco

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I don't think it gets loud enough

2007-04-27 Thread PhilNYC
seanadams;197813 Wrote: > 2 Vrms is all she does. If you want more you need a preamp, or you might > pop the cover on your amp and see if its gain can be adjusted. The input sensitivity on the Krell amp is 2.33Vrms (and gain of 25db), so it does appear that the 2 Vrms isn't quite enough... --

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I don't think it gets loud enough

2007-04-27 Thread cliveb
ModelCitizen;197857 Wrote: > Intially I was surprised that the whole rig was not lounder, especially > considering tht the speakers and amp are 300w per channel and are > supposed to have been designed for each other (or at least the speakers > designed for the amp). > However, the Transporter se

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I don't think it gets loud enough

2007-04-27 Thread ModelCitizen
I've been running my Transporter directly into a Bryston 4B ST (unbalanced, no attenuation) and then into a pair of PMC OB1s for a couple of days. Intially I was surprised that the whole rig was not lounder, especially considering tht the speakers and amp are 300w per channel and are supposed to

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I don't think it gets loud enough

2007-04-26 Thread discocarp
Honestly, this volume is more than acceptable. I think I more want to make sure I understand what's happening. The explanations about the pre you guys gave make sense. And, yes, now that I know I don't need the attenation I'll be switching it to XLR. :) -- discocarp --

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I don't think it gets loud enough

2007-04-26 Thread Skunk
Since you don't need attenuation you could try a set of XLR cables. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=34811 ___

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I don't think it gets loud enough

2007-04-26 Thread seanadams
2 Vrms is all she does. If you want more you need a preamp, or you might pop the cover on your amp and see if its gain can be adjusted. -- seanadams seanadams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 Vi

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I don't think it gets loud enough

2007-04-26 Thread PhilNYC
I think the input sensitivity on the Krell amp wants a higher voltage to get to max output (in other words, it probably wants the gain offered by using a preamp)... -- PhilNYC Sonic Spirits Inc. http://www.sonicspirits.com ---

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I don't think it gets loud enough

2007-04-26 Thread discocarp
Setup is direct to amp. Transporter->Krell Kav 2250->Martin Logan Summits. I tried the attenuation, and have settled on NO attenuation. It still doesn't seem loud enough to me. It gets louder than I'm likely to play it 99% of the time. However, the yamaha receiver could play these speakers louder