Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stereophile's "Chinese Wall" between advertising and editorial departments

2015-03-06 Thread Archimago
Mnyb wrote: > Oh no , not that :D this lampizator guy also has a tube driven digital > output :confused: Yes you can use some HF radio tube for such an output > stage ! and ofcourse it's "sounds better" for unknown or unknowable > reasons you know it's a tube so it has the pixie dust that makes s

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stereophile's "Chinese Wall" between advertising and editorial departments

2015-03-06 Thread cliveb
andy_c wrote: > Don't get me started on non-oversampling DACs! > > There's an obsolete chip made by Philips, the TDA1541A, that's become a > fetish item in high-end circles. Just in case anyone misinterprets your post as meaning that the TDA1541 isn't capable of oversampling, let's just be clear

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stereophile's "Chinese Wall" between advertising and editorial departments

2015-03-05 Thread Mnyb
andy_c wrote: > Don't get me started on non-oversampling DACs! > > There's an obsolete chip made by Philips, the TDA1541A, that's become a > fetish item in high-end circles. '_Here_is_but_one_web_page_' > (http://www.lampizator.eu/lampizator/TDA1541%20corner/TDA1541.html) > devoted to singing i

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stereophile's "Chinese Wall" between advertising and editorial departments

2015-03-05 Thread andy_c
Mnyb wrote: > Let's measure an audio note DAC voodoo design galore:P and also some > modern home theater amp the complex functionality of those makes > mistakes likly software bugs etc. Don't get me started on non-oversampling DACs! There's an obsolete chip made by Philips, the TDA1541A, that's

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stereophile's "Chinese Wall" between advertising and editorial departments

2015-03-05 Thread Mnyb
and further they risk to upsett more than one brand . one fundamental myth of high end is that price corelates strongly to soundquality that you can not get perfection for less than multiple 1000$ . 30k$ dac are common or 100k$ preamps ? So i'm surprised that they even dare to say that something

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stereophile's "Chinese Wall" between advertising and editorial departments

2015-03-05 Thread Mnyb
cliveb wrote: > Forgive me if I've misunderstood your position here, but you seem to be > giving Stereophile some points for bothering to measure the device and > publish the figures. > > But: having measured this DAC and discovered how catastrophically broken > it is, the review bends over back

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stereophile's "Chinese Wall" between advertising and editorial departments

2015-03-05 Thread cliveb
Mnyb wrote: > To JA's credit he really bash the product but probably holds back a bit > due to comercial concerns . The truth is any supermarket 50$ DVD player > outperforms it even the revised performance with the other sample . > So actually stereophile is doing well pointing out that it does s

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stereophile's "Chinese Wall" between advertising and editorial departments

2015-03-04 Thread Mnyb
Gandhi wrote: > That thread mentions an absolute goldmine of crazy. Bury most of your > face in pillows and read with eyes half-closed! You have been warned. > http://www.stereophile.com/content/zanden-5000-mkivsignature-da-converter-2000-premium-cd-transport-measurements andy_c wrote: > Wow, t

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stereophile's "Chinese Wall" between advertising and editorial departments

2015-03-04 Thread andy_c
Archimago wrote: > But when they start courting companies like Synergistic, Nordost, or > (for the most part) AudioQuest where the products they make are either > without merit or borderline insane, then we have real problems if the > magazine feels it has to cater to them and "put in a good word

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stereophile's "Chinese Wall" between advertising and editorial departments

2015-03-04 Thread andy_c
Gandhi wrote: > Bury most of your face in pillows and read with eyes half-closed! You > have been warned. > http://www.stereophile.com/content/zanden-5000-mkivsignature-da-converter-2000-premium-cd-transport-measurements Wow, the measurements of that DAC really suck! A bargain at $15,470! :D

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stereophile's "Chinese Wall" between advertising and editorial departments

2015-03-04 Thread ralphpnj
paulster wrote: > As someone with feet on both UK and US soil, and therefore familiarity > with the Advertising Standards Authority, it's amazing to me what > advertisers in the US can legally get away with. Exactly as you say, > you can make all these fundamentally bogus claims and then simply

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stereophile's "Chinese Wall" between advertising and editorial departments

2015-03-04 Thread paulster
ralphpnj wrote: > Here in the US what we get are all kinds of commercials that make very > reasonable sounding claims or very attractive offers only at the very > end of the commercial, whether they are in print, on line, on television > or on radio, there is the "fine print" which basically void

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stereophile's "Chinese Wall" between advertising and editorial departments

2015-03-04 Thread ralphpnj
Archimago wrote: > But when they start courting companies like Synergistic, Nordost, > or (for the most part) AudioQuest where the products they make are > either without merit or borderline insane, then we have real problems if > the magazine feels it has to cater to them and "put in a good

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stereophile's "Chinese Wall" between advertising and editorial departments

2015-03-04 Thread Archimago
ralphpnj wrote: > > Archimago I know that you live in Canada but here in the US there are no > advertising standards. Basically one can say or claim just about > anything and get away with it. Just watch this video of Dr. Oz basically > telling a US Senate panel to go f*&k themselves: > https://

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stereophile's "Chinese Wall" between advertising and editorial departments

2015-03-04 Thread ralphpnj
Archimago wrote: > Well, that sucks! Here in Canada, we do have the "'Advertising Standards > Canada' (http://www.adstandards.com/en/)" body which at least one can > easily lodge a complaint on-line. In some of the radio broadcasts, every > once awhile we are reminded that "advertising standards

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stereophile's "Chinese Wall" between advertising and editorial departments

2015-03-04 Thread ralphpnj
Mnyb wrote: > The really silly part , he fails to see the very obvious solution to why > the subjective reviews and measurments don't add up . > > Non blind testing gives any kind of biased results , the overall > conclusion I would do after years of measuring stuff that's totally > transparent

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stereophile's "Chinese Wall" between advertising and editorial departments

2015-03-04 Thread Archimago
Many good points gentlemen about JA, and his text commentary around measurements (including the tendency to waver towards his subjective review colleagues). Nonetheless, my hope is that in time as more of the population "get it", and pressure these guys about realistic (objective) evaluation, it'

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stereophile's "Chinese Wall" between advertising and editorial departments

2015-03-04 Thread Gandhi
andy_c wrote: > I bookmarked one of the funnier posts I have seen on just this very > subject. It is '_here_' > (http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/lounge/146693-john-curls-blowtorch-preamplifier-part-ii-2454.html#post3092791) > (first one, by SY, "JC"=John Curl in the quote). That thread mentions

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stereophile's "Chinese Wall" between advertising and editorial departments

2015-03-03 Thread Mnyb
ralphpnj wrote: > Exactly my point - while Stereophile's measurements may be revealing and > useful to a knowledgeable reader who understands how to read and > interpret them, JA's remarks about how the measurements relate to the > equipment's sound are pure marketing BS. The really silly part ,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stereophile's "Chinese Wall" between advertising and editorial departments

2015-03-03 Thread ralphpnj
andy_c wrote: > I bookmarked one of the funnier posts I have seen on just this very > subject. It is '_here_' > (http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/lounge/146693-john-curls-blowtorch-preamplifier-part-ii-2454.html#post3092791) > (first one, by SY, "JC"=John Curl in the quote). Exactly my point - wh

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stereophile's "Chinese Wall" between advertising and editorial departments

2015-03-03 Thread andy_c
ralphpnj wrote: > Come on gentlemen please tell me exactly what difference Stereophile's > holy measurements make? If the equipment under review and measurement > sounds great to the reviewer but has terrible measurements then JA (aka > clown in chief) writes some nonsense about how just because

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stereophile's "Chinese Wall" between advertising and editorial departments

2015-03-03 Thread ralphpnj
darrenyeats wrote: > I'll be sad if Stereophile disappear because they're one of the few > magazines doing measurements as part of their reviews. Archimago wrote: > My sentiment exactly... The measurements J.A. publishes are why I > subscribe. It would be say if the only audiophile magazine I c

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stereophile's "Chinese Wall" between advertising and editorial departments

2015-03-03 Thread Archimago
darrenyeats wrote: > I'll be sad if Stereophile disappear because they're one of the few > magazines doing measurements as part of their reviews. My sentiment exactly... The measurements J.A. publishes are why I subscribe. It would be say if the only audiophile magazine I can find left at the lo

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stereophile's "Chinese Wall" between advertising and editorial departments

2015-03-01 Thread darrenyeats
I'll be sad if Stereophile disappear because they're one of the few magazines doing measurements as part of their reviews. Check it, add to it! http://www.dr.loudness-war.info/ SB Touch darrenyeats's Profile: http://forum

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stereophile's "Chinese Wall" between advertising and editorial departments

2015-02-26 Thread ralphpnj
I try not to use the term "audiophool" since I don't think that most audiophiles are fools but rather just misguided. It's quite easy to become enthralled by those slick high end magazines with their elegant prose and artsy equipment photos. After all on the surface it seems that their quest for b

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stereophile's "Chinese Wall" between advertising and editorial departments

2015-02-26 Thread andy_c
Yes, I realize I am preaching to the choir here. I also read the audiophool forums like Audio Asylum though, mostly for amusement purposes. Stereophile has been loudly and preemptively proclaiming this "Chinese Wall" thing for years, more so than the other publications. In the audiophool cultur

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stereophile's "Chinese Wall" between advertising and editorial departments

2015-02-26 Thread ralphpnj
andy_c wrote: > There's recently been some entertaining fallout as a result of Sam > Tellig having quit Stereophile. It seems that for many years now, > Stereophile has claimed to have a "Chinese Wall" between advertising and > editorial departments. A Google search (via '_this_LMGTFY_link_' >

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stereophile's "Chinese Wall" between advertising and editorial departments

2015-02-24 Thread andy_c
There's recently been some entertaining fallout as a result of Sam Tellig having quit Stereophile. It seems that for many years now, Stereophile has claimed to have a "Chinese Wall" between advertising and editorial departments. A Google search (via '_this_LMGTFY_link_' (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Ste