mswlogo;365709 Wrote:
>
> When I saw one for $1200.00 new, I knew if a Transport only version
> ever did come out it would not be much cheaper than that.I would have had the
> same reaction, I think. ;)
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Themis
SB3 - North Star dac 192 - Denon 3808 - Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus
sxr71;364651 Wrote:
> Fair enough. The expandability is a plus. Also when I learned that you
> can feed a clock signal to it that made it a bit more interesting. I
> would in the future consider getting it and slaving it to an external
> DAC. Still I think $2000 is a little much for a "Super Sque
gw43;365684 Wrote:
> Perhaps my ears don't have the resolution any more!
I am 59 and have a -40dB high frequency hearing loss in my left ear.
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Labarum
Brian
Beresford DAC - Quad 405-2 refurbished by 405man - Quart 980s German
Tower Loudspeakers.
FLAC through Foobar, XP and ASIO
Squeezebo
Labarum;365434 Wrote:
> I must say I am surprised. Both Amp and speakers ought to be quite
> revealing.
>
> Classical piano music I found dramatically better with the Beresford in
> circuit, and you can see below what I am using.
I was also a little surprised there was no difference, considerin
gw43;365418 Wrote:
> Lossless files, into Arcam A85 then on to Monitor Audio GR10.
I must say I am surprised.
Classical piano music I found dramatically better with the Beresford in
circuit.
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Labarum
Brian
Beresford DAC - Quad 405-2 refurbished by 405man - Quart 980s German
Tower Loudspe
Labarum;365365 Wrote:
> What were you playing it into? Within a few seconds I could hear the
> improvement?
Lossless files, into Arcam A85 then on to Monitor Audio GR10.
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gw43
gw43's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.
gw43;365347 Wrote:
> I tried the Beresford DAC in April this year (v6.x - don't know if it
> was a 3 or what).
>
> Neither me or the missus (who has better hearing than me) could tell
> the difference between the Beresford and the SB3.
>
What were you playing it into? Within a few seconds I c
I tried the Beresford DAC in April this year (v6.x - don't know if it
was a 3 or what).
Neither me or the missus (who has better hearing than me) could tell
the difference between the Beresford and the SB3.
We did several AB tests (one of us would switch the inputs while the
other tried to guess
mswlogo;364039 Wrote:
> I didn't buy it just for looks and never said I did. But it definitely
> factored into the equation. And I suspect it does for quite a few even
> if they are not willing to admit it.
>
> I bought it for:
>
> Looks
> Build
> 24/96 Capability
> Dual Displays
> And a much m
sxr71;362947 Wrote:
> Whatever, the SB receiver can be hidden. If you'd pay $1850 just for
> looks and to have the thing in your rack you have too much money to
> throw around to make recommendations for "normal" people. Besides I
> can't stand stupid lights flashing and dancing when I listen to
I'm saving up for either a Benchmark or a Transporter. In the meantime,
I got a Beresford to try out. It needed modding before I was happy with
it. My Perpetual Technologies P-3A is now on eBay.
Here's my experience with the Beresford for those venturing forth:
- When I got it I found both the f
pkfox;358804 Wrote:
> Hi there, this topic has been done to death ( maybe not with your DAC -
> but plenty of others ) it all comes down to personal opinion - my
> friend prefers his standard SB3 with no external DAC to my TP - I rest
> my case... cheers
What are you really trying to say?
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OK I owned a Benchmark DCA1, bought a Beresford as temporary replacement
and now using the Lavry DA10. Rest of system is All Naim NAC202
pre/NAP200 power/HiCap power supply/NAPSC power supply/Ariva speakers.
I have not heard the Transporter, but it would have to pretty poor if
it does not sound
mswlogo;359029 Wrote:
> When a system looks like this it really doesn't matter.
>
> http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=76431&postcount=4
>
> But when it looks something like this I do care (by the way I hate the
> look of the PS3 and the noisy fan and will eventually swap it out).
>
mswlogo;360375 Wrote:
> What's a 6/3?
Beresford DAC Model TC-7410 Mark 6/3
He is now selling the 6/4, but earlier models can be upgraded, which is
my plan.
http://www.beresford.me/PP/Stereo_Audio_Digital_to_Analogue_Converter_.html
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Labarum
Brian
Beresford DAC - Quad 405-2 refurbished b
Labarum;360288 Wrote:
> Yea, I know, and I remain sceptical.
>
> Stan is probably right: there ain't no difference, or none worth
> talking about. I bought the cable on the assurance it wasn't worse than
> the optical link, because I wanted an extra switched input.
>
> I am fully expecting more
mswlogo;360270 Wrote:
> Something to listen to with your new cable.
>
> http://www.wnyc.org/shows/radiolab/episodes/2007/05/18
Yea, I know, and I remain sceptical.
Stan is probably right: there ain't no difference, or none worth
talking about. I bought the cable on the assurance it wasn't wors
Labarum;360242 Wrote:
> Well, Phil, I did order one and it arrived today.
>
> You may be right. My initial impression, listening to piano music, is
> that the sound is cleaner and the "ambiance" around the piano is more
> convincing. Yes, very subtle and subjective observations.
>
>
Something
Phil Leigh;358871 Wrote:
> In all seriousness, I suggest you order a 1.5m (this length is important
> - 1m is too short) BlueJeans Belden 1694a spdif coax cable - it will
> cost peanuts (well OK - about £20+).
Well, Phil, I did order one and it arrived today.
You may be right. My initial impre
lanierb;359649 Wrote:
> Hi Themis- I have that exact AV receiver in my HT and I agree with you
> that it has a nice sounding DAC. However, where I disagree with you is
> with the amp section, which IMO isn't very good at all, for my ears
> anyway. I use a separate power amp with it and, nothin
Themis;359299 Wrote:
> Phil was saying that his system sounded fine, which I found not amazing,
> as he has a (very)well-designed Musical Fidelity (MF) dac, along with a
> dedicated MF PSU and a MF buffer (if I remember properly that's what
> "Triplethreat" stands for: X-DAC+X-PSU+X-10 buffer) :
Themis;358913 Wrote:
> Because it's a nice, smooth-sounding amp. :) I used to use the amp's dac
> before I got the Italian one. The couple SB3/Denon through-coax, was
> better than my old 640C CD player. But one day I found someone selling
> the North Star for about 500 and I... couldn't resist.
Labarum;358878 Wrote:
> Please explain more.
>
> If I connected by coax that would free an optical input - ideally I
> need one for the Virgin Box and one for the Shuttle PC that hides
> behind the telly.
Hi there, my old setup was a SB3 -> Lite DAC -> Meridian 551 amp - it
sounded very good - I
Themis;359019 Wrote:
> (especially when you have an MF modded triplet in the equation ;))
Please explain those words.
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Labarum
Brian
Beresford DAC - Quad 405-2 refurbished by 405man - Quart 980s German
Tower Loudspeakers.
FLAC through Foobar, XP and ASIO
Squeezebox 3 Classic
Virgin Cab
Themis;359019 Wrote:
> I can only agree. (especially when you have an MF modded triplet in the
> equation ;))
> Anyway, I suspect mswlogo to speak mainly about the -looks- of the SB3,
> not the sound.
When a system looks like this it really doesn't matter.
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost
Themis;359042 Wrote:
> Meridian looks very nice, you're right to put it in the middle. ;)
>
> (what I did with my PS3 is that I put it in a closed shelf: as the
> gamepads are wireless, I only open the shelf to change the game/record.
> I agree it's not very pretty)
Too much heat for closing an
mswlogo;359029 Wrote:
> But when it looks something like this I do care (by the way I hate the
> look of the PS3 and the noisy fan and will eventually swap it out).
>
> http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=350741&postcount=45
>
> Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.Meridian looks very
Phil Leigh;359011 Wrote:
> I'm sorry but that is not correct, IMO. I have a circa $30k system and
> it looks just fine.
> It also sounds just fine - in fact it sounds to me as good as a dcs,
> wadia or EMM Labs stack costing as much again!
That's totally a matter of opinion. SB3 looks like a toy
Phil Leigh;359011 Wrote:
> I'm sorry but that is not correct, IMO. I have a circa $30k system and
> it looks just fine.
> It also sounds just fine - in fact it sounds to me as good as a dcs,
> wadia or EMM Labs stack costing as much again!I can only agree. (especially
> when you have an MF modde
mswlogo;358998 Wrote:
> The SB3 looked dorky and cheap and in a $30K system it looked out of
> place.
I'm sorry but that is not correct, IMO. I have a circa $30k system and
it looks just fine.
It also sounds just fine - in fact it sounds to me as good as a dcs,
wadia or EMM Labs stack costing as
Labarum;358992 Wrote:
> Yep, that's about it; but, Themis, you still haven't answered my direct
> question: have you heard both the Transporter and the SB3/Beresford
> combination?Didn't I ? I thought I had said I did. :)
Not in a direct comparison though, but I did listened to both. My
long-term
Labarum;358992 Wrote:
> Yep, that's about it; but, Themis, you still haven't answered my direct
> question: have you heard both the Transporter and the SB3/Beresford
> combination?
If it's a decent DAC it will sound the same. This topic has been beaten
to death. It does not matter what DAC you s
Themis;358987 Wrote:
> The Transporter has (mainly) four advantages : Display, 24/96 playing
> ability, XLR connectors and a nice D/A converter.
> Other advantages are : better power regulators, better clock, very good
> design overall.
>
> So, to come back to the main advantages, if display mea
The Transporter has (mainly) four advantages : Display, 24/96 playing
ability, XLR connectors and a nice D/A converter.
Other advantages are : better power regulators, better clock, very good
design overall.
So, to come back to the main advantages, if display means nothing to
you, XLR is of no us
mswlogo;358965 Wrote:
> I love the display(s). I found The VU bars on the SB3 useless and took
> up too much room. We the transporter they are always on. They look cool
> and are very functional and I can immediately tell if it's too hot a
> recording and adjust accordingly.
Pointless toys. Abso
I love the display(s). I found The VU bars on the SB3 useless and took
up too much room. We the transporter they are always on. They look cool
and are very functional and I can immediately tell if it's too hot a
recording and adjust accordingly.
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mswlogo
XP > Cat5 > Transporter > SPDIF > Mer
mswlogo;358945 Wrote:
> I do think the Transporter is worth it if you have the bucks for it's
> double display, build, looks and 24/96 abilities. It's a great unit and
> have no regrets spending the extra bucks on it.
Not sure about the need for any display. For my favorites it's just
press and
Themis;358913 Wrote:
> Because it's a nice, smooth-sounding amp. :) I used to use the amp's dac
> before I got the Italian one. The couple SB3/Denon through-coax, was
> better than my old 640C CD player. But one day I found someone selling
> the North Star for about 500€ and I... couldn't resist.
Labarum;358884 Wrote:
> Themis, why have you got an AV amp between a very expensive DAC and some
> very smart speakers?
Because it's a nice, smooth-sounding amp. :) I used to use the amp's
dac before I got the Italian one. The couple SB3/Denon through-coax,
was better than my old 640C CD player.
Labarum;358878 Wrote:
> Please explain more.
>
> If I connected by coax that would free an optical input - ideally I
> need one for the Virgin Box and one for the Shuttle PC that hides
> behind the telly.
Well,
In general many folks prefer coax over optical. In my experience this
is highly sys
Themis, why have you got an AV amp between a very expensive DAC and some
very smart speakers?
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Labarum
Brian
Beresford DAC - Quad 405-2 refurbished by 405man - Quart 980s German
Tower Loudspeakers.
FLAC through Foobar, XP and ASIO
Squeezebox 3 Classic
Virgin Cable Box
No FM reception for
Labarum;358859 Wrote:
> No. I don't have an opinion because I haven't heard the Transporter. The
> SB3 beats my ageing Quad 77 CD player by a very significant margin and
> the SB3/Beresford is as good as the XP - ASIO - Foobar - Beresford
> route.
>
> The SB3 without the Beresford is flat and li
Phil Leigh;358871 Wrote:
> In all seriousness, I suggest you order a 1.5m (this length is important
> - 1m is too short) BlueJeans Belden 1694a spdif coax cable ...it's NOT
> just about the Toslink cable, it's also about the transmitter and
> receivers interfaces.
>
Please explain more.
If I
Labarum;358864 Wrote:
> A good quality optical link supplied by Stanley Bereford.
In all seriousness, I suggest you order a 1.5m (this length is
important - 1m is too short) BlueJeans Belden 1694a spdif coax cable -
it will cost peanuts (well OK - about £20+).
If you don't think it is an impr
Phil Leigh;358861 Wrote:
> Brian - what sort of cable do you have between the SB and DAC?
A good quality optical link supplied by Stanley Bereford.
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Labarum
Brian
Beresford DAC - Quad 405-2 refurbished by 405man - Quart 980s German
Tower Loudspeakers.
FLAC through Foobar, XP and ASIO
Squ
Brian - what sort of cable do you have between the SB and DAC?
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Phil Leigh
You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it
ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann
JISCO/UPCI - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF
Triplethreat(Audiocom fu
Themis;358854 Wrote:
> No, I'm just trolling. :)
>
> Seriously: of course. I never listen to anything below 16/44 when I
> compare hi-fi equipment.
> Your questioning seem to indicate that your opinion is different from
> mine. Can you explain further in detail, please ?
No. I don't have an opi
No, I'm just trolling. :)
Seriously: of course. I never listen to anything below 16/44 when I
compare hi-fi equipment.
Your interrogations seem to indicate that your opinion is different
from mine. Can you explain further in detail, please ?
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Themis
SB3 - North Star dac 192 - Denon 3808 - S
There is a big difference between a Transporter and the Beresford dac.
To keep it simple, the TP is much better everywhere, enough for
justifying its price. :)
But, I'm sure that you can have certain setups where the difference is
hard to tell : in that case, it is the setup's problem, I'm afraid
Themis;358849 Wrote:
> There is a big difference between a Transporter and the Beresford dac.
> To keep it simple, the TP is much better everywhere, enough for
> justifying its price. :)
>
> But, I'm sure that you can have certain setups where the difference is
> hard to tell : in that case, it
Labarum;358789 Wrote:
> Has anyone made the direct comparison?
Hi there, this topic has been done to death ( maybe not with your DAC -
but plenty of others ) it all comes down to personal opinion - my friend
prefers his standard SB3 with no external DAC to my TP - I rest my
case... cheers
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